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Have you anything, anything at all beyond ignorant incredulity, dishonesty and hate to bring to the discussion, CM?
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Dogzilla said:
You said no Jews vanished without a trace. If that's true then you can trace them. Where did they go? Dead or alive, they had to have gone somewhere. If you can't trace them then they vanished without a trace...which you said didn't happen.
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Are you unable to read my posts?

They were murdered. There is overwhelming evidence of that.
 
Clayton Moore said:
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Have you anything, anything at all beyond ignorant incredulity?
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ISTR an old saying about someone or something seeing and doing -- how does that go again?

Allow me to clarify: have you anything, anything at all beyond ignorant incredulity, dishonesty, hate and mindlessly parroting your betters to bring to the discussion?
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Nick Terry said:
This thread was started back in February of this year, after previous threads had rumbled on for quite a bit of the previous year. As we near 7,000 posts over the length of the thread so far, it's maybe time to take stock and wonder how badly the deniers have failed.

One way would be to take note of various works which have dealt with the ostensible subject of this thread, that have been published since the start of 2011. It would be hard to keep track of literally everything that has appeared, so let's settle with the books that have actually come into my possession.

  • Altman, I.A. (ed), Kholokost na territorii SSSR. Entsiklopediia. Moscow: Rosspen, 2011
  • Baum, Herwig, Varianten des Terrors. Ein Vergleich zwischen der deutschen und rumänischen Besatzungsverwaltung in der Sowjetunion 1941-1944. Berlin: Metropol, 2011
  • Benz, Angelika, Der Henkersknecht: Der Prozess gegen John (Iwan) Demjanjuk in München, Berlin: Metropol, 2011
  • Blatman, Daniel, The Death Marches: The Final Phase of Nazi Genocide. Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 2011
  • Buser, Verena, Ueberleben von Kindern und Jugendlichen in den Konzentrationslagern Sachsenhausen, Auschwitz und Bergen-Belsen. Berlin: Metropol, 2011
  • Cesarani, David and Eric J. Sundquist (eds), After the Holocaust. Challenging the Myth of Silence. London: Routledge, 2011
  • Cole, Tim, Traces of the Holocaust. Journeying in and out of the Ghettos. London: Continuum, 2011
  • Cramer, John, Belsen-Trial 1945. Der Lüneberger Prozess gegen Wachpersonal der Konzentrationslager Auschwitz und Bergen-Belsen. Göttingen: Wallstein, 2011
  • Curilla, Wolfgang, Der Judenmord in Polen und die Ordnungspolizei 1939-1945. Paderborn: Ferdinand Schöningh, 2011
  • Dieckmann, Christoph, Deutsche Besatzungspolitik in Litauen 1941-1944. Göttingen: Wallstein, 2011
  • Friedman, Jonathan C. (ed), The Routledge History of the Holocaust. London: Routledge, 2011
  • Friedrich, Klaus-Peter (ed), Die Verfolgung und Ermordung der europäischen Juden durch das nationalsozialistischen Deutschland 1933-1945. Bd 4: Polen September 1939-Juli 1941. Munich: Oldenbourg, 2011
  • Fritz, Stephen G., Ostkrieg: Hitler’s War of Extermination in the East. Lexington: University Press of Kentucky, 2011
  • Gross, Jan Tomasz, Zlote zniwa. Rzecz o tym, co sie dzialo na obrzezach zaglady Zydow. Krakow: Znak, 2011
  • Hoppe, Bert and Hildrun Glass (eds), Die Verfolgung und Ermordung der europäischen Juden durch das nationalsozialistischen Deutschland 1933-1945. Bd 7: Sowjetunion mit annektierten Gebiete I. Munich: Oldenbourg, 2011
  • Kakel, Carroll P., The American West and the Nazi East: A Comparative and Interpretive Perspective. London: Palgrave Macmillan, 2011
  • Langbehn, Volker and Mohammad Salama (eds), German Colonialism: Race, The Holocaust, and Postwar Germany. New York: Columbia University Press, 2011
  • Mallmann, Klaus-Michel, Andrej Angrick, Jürgen Matthäus, Martin Cüppers (eds), Die ‘Ereignismeldungen UdSSR’ 1941. Dokumente der Einsatzgruppen in der Sowjetunion. Darmstadt: Wissenschaftliche Buchgesellschaft, 2011
  • Michman, Dan, The Emergence of Jewish Ghettos During the Holocaust, Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2011
  • Morsch, Günter, Bertrand Perz, Astrid Ley (eds), Neue Studien zu nationalsozialistischen Massentötungen durch Giftgas, Berlin: Metropol, 2011
  • Neitzel, Sönke and Harald Welzer, Soldaten: Protokolle vom Kämpfen, Töten und Sterben. Frankfurt am Main: Fischer, 2011
  • Reichelt, Katrin, Lettland unter deutscher Besatzung 1941-1944. Der lettische Anteil am Holocaust. Berlin: Metropol, 2011
  • Rein, Leonid, The Kings and the Pawns: Collaboration in Byelorussia During World War II. Oxford: Berghahn, 2011
  • Rosenfeld, Alvin H., The End of the Holocaust. Bloomington: Indiana University Press, 2011
  • Verbeeck, Georgi and Beate Kosmala (eds), Facing the Catastrophe: Jews and Non-Jews in Europe During World War II. Oxford: Berg, 2011
  • Wefing, Heinrich, Der Fall Demjanjuk: der letzte grosse NS-Prozess. Das Leben, der Prozess, das Urteil. Berlin: Beck, 2011
  • Wette, Wolfram, Karl Jäger: Mörder der litauischen Juden. Frankfurt am Main: Fischer, 2011

The deniers should congratulate themselves on their Canute-like success. Despite thousands of posts from the deniers, not one book less has been published in the past year, not one college course less has been taught, not a single historian has decided to give up and do something else, in short: they are making absolutely no headway whatsoever.
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Feel free to quantify this for us. You know, prove that the number of new titles is a testament to the failure of revision and not, for example, that but for the success of the revisionists, there would have been twice as many new books published or that the number of college courses would have been doubled if it weren't for the pressure brought on the universities by the revisionists.

(BTW, I know that isn't the case. But I'd still like to see you offer up something to substantiate your unsubstantiated pronouncements.)


Some of the deniers, meanwhile, are rather given to pronouncing about what historians of the Holocaust supposedly say, but seem woefully out of touch with what those historians are actually writing about and what they might be saying.

I make no apologies for the inclusion of titles in German, Polish and Russian. The very fact that Russian historians can collaborate on a 1000+ page encyclopedia of the Holocaust in the Soviet Union is a rather telling sign (I'm told it will also be translated into English in the near future).
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A rather telling sign of what?


Jan Gross's essay Golden Harvest will appear next spring in English.
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I can't wait!!!


The Germans continue to produce a mini-avalance of primary source editions, monographs and dissertations on the subject, which are often required reading for serious students in the field.
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Once the Germans put their mind to something, nothing can stop them.


In the next few months, a slew of new titles are due out, so the list can only grow. It will be fun to update it and observe how the deniers have failed to make any progess in the meantime.
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Like they say, if you can't dazzle them with your brilliance, inundate them with your b......t.

I wonder how many of those new titles will sell as many copies as Night?
 
Dogzilla said:
Feel free to quantify this for us. You know, prove that the number of new titles is a testament to the failure of revision and not, for example, that but for the success of the revisionists, there would have been twice as many new books published or that the number of college courses would have been doubled if it weren't for the pressure brought on the universities by the revisionists.

(BTW, I know that isn't the case. But I'd still like to see you offer up something to substantiate your unsubstantiated pronouncements.)




A rather telling sign of what?




I can't wait!!!




Once the Germans put their mind to something, nothing can stop them.




Like they say, if you can't dazzle them with your brilliance, inundate them with your b......t.

I wonder how many of those new titles will sell as many copies as Night?
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Kind of chafes, doesn't it, knowing how insignificant you and your little hate-cult really are.
 
Do any of the renowned Holocaust mythalogians explain the how of the Holocaust gas chambers? Maybe the lesser lights should leave this to nick.

The gas chambers and their alleged millions of victims of a horrific end are the keystone of the Holocaustmyth house of cards.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Do any of the renowned Holocaust mythalogians explain the how of the Holocaust gas chambers?
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No, deniers tend to stay away from actually explaining the evidence.

If you want to learn about the how, I recommend actual ***scientists** such as Pressac. He, like you, really wanted the gas chambers not to have worked. He, unlike you, actually looked at the available evidence and went where that evidence lead him regarding their operation.
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Clayton Moore said:
Maybe the lesser lights should leave this to nick.
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Just because you, as a dim bulb, have not done any real reading on the subject does not mean anyone else hates so much as to handicap themselves in that way...
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Clayton Moore said:
The gas chambers and their alleged millions of victims of a horrific end are the keystone of the Holocaustmyth house of cards.
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According to whom? The rest of us non-deniers here realize that the roughly half of Holocaust victims your heroes exterminated outside the camps by deliberate starvation, neglect or a simple bullet are still worthy of being remembered.
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No, deniers tend to stay away from actually explaining the evidence.

If you want to learn about the how, I recommend actual ***scientists** such as Pressac. He, like you, really wanted the gas chambers not to have worked. He, unlike you, actually looked at the available evidence and went where that evidence lead him regarding their operation.
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Just because you, as a dim bulb, have not done any real reading on the subject does not mean anyone else hates so much as to handicap themselves in that way...
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According to whom? The rest of us non-deniers here realize that the roughly half of Holocaust victims your heroes exterminated outside the camps by deliberate starvation, neglect or a simple bullet are still worthy of being remembered.
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You mean this clown, Pressac?

On pp. 27, 28, 31, 55, 56, and 57, etc. he shows that "Gaskammer" was a perfectly ordinary word used by the Germans to mean "delousing chamber". He even reproduces the blueprints, which clearly state "ENTWESUNGSANLAGE Gaskammer". He doesn't claim that the delousing chambers were used or designed for any purpose other than delousing. One wonders what Pressac thinks he's proving with all this material.

Pressac claims that it's absurd to heat a morgue, which must be kept cool, and that the presence of a stove in a morgue proves it's a "gas chamber for the extermination of human beings". In fact, morgues must be kept cool, but must not be allowed to freeze, because frost damages corpses. The temperature must be kept at 2 to 12 degrees Centigrade.
(source: Garten und Friedhofsamt, Darmstadt, Hermannstr. 4, FRIEDHÖFE UND KREMATORIEN, p. 423).

Pressac considers the word "undressing room" to have sinister connotations; it is hard to see why, since these structures were morgues with washing facilities and showers.

It might be pointed out that Pressac believes in the reality of the "socks of human hair" socks (p. 475); this document, USSR-511, the original of which no one has ever seen, bears a typewritten heading, a typewritten signature, and two German stamps. The human hair socks have never been found.

Pressac also apparently believes that cyanide gas travels horizontally, then vertically, like sewer water filling a basement (p. 473).

Now. What I want to know is, if the "mass gassing victims" in the "homicidal gas chambers" could see the gas approaching and attempt to escape from it by climbing on top of each other, was the gas lighter than air, or heavier? What colour was the gas, since they could see it? Purple? Pink? Red, White, and Blue? I have asked this question many times, but never gotten an answer.
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http://www.cwporter.com/undocs.htm
 
Of course the Jews murdered in the holohoax vanished without a trace. This is well known by all and sundry, and I"m surprised to see it questioned here. At the camps with crematoriums, like Auschwitz, the gassed prisoners were cremated, at Auschwitz 10,000 per day, and at Treblinka 10,000 per day and on occasion 20,000 in a day. What's so difficult to believe about that?

As for Jews killed by the Einsatzgruppen, and those murdered in camps without crematoriums, we know that they were first buried and subsequently, as a result of an order by H. Himmler, dug up and cremated in pits. How do we know this? We have the signed confessions of Paul Blobel, the Nazi in charge of the exhumations / cremations.

By sheer coincidence, Blobel also is the person who was in charge of many of the Einsatzgruppen murders in the first place. We also know this because he confessed.

You can read his first confession here ...

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/einsatz/blobeltest.html

Here he confessed to the Einsatzgruppen killings. As an added bonus he also confessed to gas van killings. This confession was made on 6/6/47 and he did not mention the exhumations/cremations. That was remedied on 6/18/47 when he confessed to removing all traces of Einsatzgruppen activities from Eastern Europe save some area inaccessible because of the Russian advance. The second confession ....

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/blobel1.html

How was it accomplished? Here we have it, right from Blobel;s confession ...

"3. During my visit in August I myself observed the burning of bodies in a mass grave near Kiev. This grave was about 55 m. long, 3 m. wide and 2½ m. deep. After the top had been removed the bodies were covered with inflammable material and ignited. It took about two days until the grave burned down to the bottom. I myself observed that the fire had glowed down to the bottom. After that the grave was filled in and the traces were now practically obliterated."

What's not to believe about that?
 
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Clayton Moore said:
You mean this clown, Pressac?
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No, I mean the *real* Pressac, not what that clown, Porter, has told you it says.

For example, which room does Pressac refer to as "Gaskammer" on those pages? What's that? Pages 55-57 don't contain the word at all?

Why not try reading it for yourself, or is that too much like doing actual *research* for you?
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Saggy, I'd like to welcome you back to the fold of rational folk!

Based on your last post you agree that

a. There were gas chambers and crematoria at some of the camps;
b. That the Einsatzgruppen did commit acts of murder;
c. That acts of murder were done at camps without crematoria; and
d. That the evidence was covered up.

You've come a long way.
 
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