Merged General Holocaust denial discussion thread

[Dogzilla]

NT can't name a single book, he can't name a single Jewish witness.

However, Yehuda Bauer, director of Yad Vashem, is not so circumspect, and he has written that Filip Meuller's book "Three Years in a Gas Chamber and All I Got was This Teeshirt" is the only credible book written by a Jewish eyewitness.

Why not read that one? If you do, you'll know that the holohoax, and everyone defending it, is ..... well, draw your own conclusion.

I hate to nitpick but I think Yehuda Bauer said that Filthy Fil was the only person to see the Jewish people die and live to tell about it. He wouldn't say "Three Years" is the only credible book written by a Jewish eyewitness. He's written books. He's Jewish. He survived the holocaust. That would be one major Freudian slip of a way to admit that he's a liar himself.

 

[Dogzilla]

You don't get it do you? The Nazis tried to erase all trace of their crime. They failed. This means that nobody vanished without a trace like you said. There were plenty of traces left.

This isn't hard to understand, and I can't believe you are failing this hard.

No I get it. I know that vanishing without a trace is exceedingly difficult to accomplish and it's impossible using the technology of the holocaust. But that hasn't stopped historians from saying that's what happened except when it didn't happen.

But now that you've said that nobody vanished without a trace, you must be able to answer the question: where did they go? We have evidence of hundreds of thousands of people being sent to a few tiny camps in Poland and then *poof* they're gone. What happened to these people? ALL these people?

 

[Matthew Ellard]

He's lying again. He's never dealt with Strawczynski in this thread. I'm starting to think he actually believes the bile he's spewing, including fantasies about posts he never made. It's sad, really.

Excessive lying is a common symptom of several mental illnesses. For instance, people who suffer from antisocial personality disorder, use lying to benefit from others. Some individuals with Borderline personality disorder, lie for attention by claiming they’ve been treated poorly
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudologia_fantastica#Pathological_liars

and our three revisionists are poorly treated by the entire planet...as their claim goes. I think this thread is now stuck in a loop that logic and evidence can't break.

 

[Corsair 115]

Just as there are thousands of witnesses to alien landings, there is not ONE SINGLE CREDIBLE WITNESS.

And where is your ONE SINGLE CREDIBLE WITNESS to this fantastical global Jewish conspiracy of yours which controls everything? We're still waiting.

Thousands of testimonies regarding witches and their machinations, but NOT ONE CREDIBLE WITNESS.

Numerous posts by Saggy attesting to this fantastical global Jewish conspiracy which controls the media and academia and everything else but NOT ONE CREDIBLE WITNESS.

 

[Saggy]

I hate to nitpick but I think Yehuda Bauer said that Filthy Fil was the only person to see the Jewish people die and live to tell about it. He wouldn't say "Three Years" is the only credible book written by a Jewish eyewitness. He's written books. He's Jewish. He survived the holocaust. That would be one major Freudian slip of a way to admit that he's a liar himself.

Nitpicking is fine, but not if it's inaccurate. Bauer was not an eyewitness to gas chamber killings, i.e. the hoax.

So, I'll say it again, there is not a single credible book written by an eyewitness to the holohoax. Bauer said that Meuller's book was such a book, but he was obviously lying.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Nick has provided a list of over 200. Take your pick. Like I said before, every time you post this lie, your cause dies a little. For that, I thank you, for it is a despicable cause, worthy of death.

200 isn't 1. Do the math.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Nick has provided a list of over 200. Take your pick. Like I said before, every time you post this lie, your cause dies a little. For that, I thank you, for it is a despicable cause, worthy of death.

Certainly a not so veiled death threat.

 

[Clayton Moore]

As Saggy seems unable to read names off of a list (something his ideological peers in Nazi Germany were quite adept at), I have taken the liberty of doing what he can't: pick a name off a list.

Now, present evidence for why the highlighted person is not a credible witness to the holocaust. To do this you need to use actual evidence, not hearsay or stuff you pull out of your arse. Once you have failed to do so, we can move on to the next name on the list.

Remember: this is only a miniscule part of the amount of eye-witnesses we have. It is up to you to prove every single one of them wrong. The burden of evidence lies firmly on your shoulders, Saggy. Given your track record, the burden is obviously too heavy.

Eyewitnesses to the mythical gas chambers? Another smoke and mirror hoaxscreen.

 

[Corsair 115]

So, I'll say it again, there is not a single credible book written by an eyewitness to the holohoax.

I'll say it again: there is not a single credible book written by an eyewitness to Saggy's fantastical global Jewish conspiracy which controls the media, academia, and everything else.

 

[Wroclaw]

Certainly a not so veiled death threat.

You're a big whiny baby.

 

[Clayton Moore]

I don't need to name one Jewish witness. I can name 200 Jewish, non-Jewish and German witnesses. Like so:

German– Auschwitz (24)
Rudolf Höss, Hans Aumeier, Maximilian Grabner, Friedrich Entress, Johann Kremer, Horst Fischer, Josef Kramer, Fritz Klein, Franz Hössler, Konrad Morgen, Hans Münch, Richard Baer, Walter Dejaco, Henry Storch, Hans Stark, Erich Mussfeldt, Pery Broad, Richard Böck, Karl Hölbinger, Josef Erber, Oswald Kaduk, Nowak, Kurt Prüfer, Karl Schultze
German,Collaborator –
Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor, Treblinka (24)
Franz Stangl, Josef Oberhauser, Kurt Gerstein, Wilhelm Pfannenstiel, Hermann Höfle, Franz Suchomel, Willi Metz, Otto Horn, Erich Bauer, Alfred Ittner, Gustav Wagner, Franz Hödl, Erwin Lambert, Heinrich Barbl, Heinrich Gley, Werner Karl Dubois, Karl Alfred Schluch, Erich Fuchs, Vassily Pankov, Mikhail Razgoniaev, Ignat Danilchenko, Pavel Leleko, Walter Piller, Bruno Israel
German – Other (27)
Hermann Göring, Ernst Kaltenbrunner, Dieter Wisliceny, Adolf Eichmann, Wilhelm Höttl, Richard Korherr, August Becker, Walter Rauff, Erich von dem Bach-Zelewski, Friedrich Jeckeln, Kurt Becher, Oswald Pohl, Gerhard Maurer, Kurt Schmidt-Klevenow, Anton Kaindl, Hermann Pister, Ilse Koch, Alois Hoellriegel, Paul Waldmann, Oscha Otto Hoppe, Theo Schölen, Otto Ohlendorf, Ostubaf Haensch, Paul Blobel, Hermann Graebe, Eberhard Wetzel, Victor Brack
Auschwitz – Sonderkommandos (21)
Miklos Nyiszli; Filip Müller, Sigismund Bendel, Szlama Dragon, Henryk Tauber, Henryk Mandelbaum, Andre Lettich, Stanislaw Jankowski; Milton Buki, Maurice Benroubi, David Olere, Dov Paisikovic, Joshuah Rosenblum, Josef Sackar, Saul Chasan, Jaacov Gabai, Eliezer Eisenschmidt, Leon Cohen, Shlomo Venezia, Salmen Lewental, Lejb Langfus
Auschwitz – Other (59)
Rudolf Vrba, Alfred Wetzler; Ada Bimko, Janda Weiss, Yehuda Bakon, Mordechai Lichtenstein, Liebermann, Regina Bialek, Sophia Litwinska, Ruth Elias, Klari Weiss, Primo Levi, Kitty Hart, Fania Fenelon, Olga Lengyel, Eugene Heimler, Elie Wiesel, Czeslaw Mordowicz, Arnost Rosin, Benedikt Kautsky, Moshe Garbarz, Rajzla Sadowska, Erwin Valentin, Lucie Adelsberger; Adolf Rögner, Erwin Bartel, Wilhelm Wohlfahrt, Bruno Baum, Hermann Langbein, Ella Lingens-Reiner, Walter Petzold, Otto Wolken, Marie-Claude Vaillant-Couturier, Jerzy Tabeau, Stanislaw Klodzinski, Stanislaw Chybinski, K.J., Franciszek Gulba, Jolan Holthost, Michal Kula, Seweryna Szmaglewskaya, Ludwig Nagraba, Zenon Rozanski, Josef Koczorowski, Ludwig Rajewski, Roman Taul, Feliks Mylyk, Zygmunt Smuzewski, Jiri Beranowsky, Eugeniusz Motz, Bogdan Glinski, Josef Vacek, Czeslaw Glowaki, Wojciech Barcz, Ludwig Banach, Wieslaw Kielar, Kazimierz Smolen, Henryk Porebski, Hugo Breiden,
Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor, Treblinka (52+)
‘Szlamek’, Mordechai Zurawski, Michal Podchlebnik, Shimon Srebrnik, Jankiel Wiernik, Samuel Rajzman, Elias Rosenberg, Abraham Bomba, Richard Glazar, Samuel Willenberg, Chil Rajchman, Szymon Goldberg, Tanhum Grinberg, Shalom Cohen, Abraham Goldfarb, Oskar Berger, Abe Kon, Moszeks Laks, Maniek Plakiewicz, Stanislaw Borowy, Oscar Strawczynski, Israel Cymlich, Rudolf Reder, Chaim Hirszman, Alexander Pechersky, Leon Feldhendler, Zelda Metz, Esther Rab, Stanislaw Szmajzner, Moshe Bahir, Itzak Lichtman, Eda Litchman, Aizik Rottenberg, Yehuda Lerner, Dov Ber Freiberg, Ursula Stern, Chaim Engel, Hershl Zukerman, Kurt Thomas, Thomas Blatt, Jacob Biskubicz; Stanislaw Kozak, Jan Piwonski, Jan G., Eugeniusz Goch, Edward F, Maria Daniel, Tadeusz M, Michal Kusmierczak, Eustachy Ukrainski, Jan Sulkowski, Jules Schelvis
KZ inmates (3)
Franz Blaha, Margarete Buber-Neumann, Benen Anton,
Other (10)
Zygmunt Klukowski, Paul Roser, Jan Karski, Erich Heubaum, Rozalka Schelewna Schier, Emanuel Ringelbum, Chaim Kaplan, Hersh Smolar, Heinz Rosenberg, Herman Kruk
Deluded Witnesses (2)
Moshe Peer, Irene Zisblatt
Lying Witnesses (2)
Martin Gray, Herman Rosenblatt
False Witnesses (2)
Benjamin Wilkomirski, Misha Defoncesca

go on, stomp your feet once more. You know we love it when you get angry.



0.5% on the Rev-o-Meter. Again. Jeez, Saggy, you're flatlining.

I'm reminded of the terms audacity and big kahunas.

Where is Simon Wiesenthal?

Where is Elie Wiesel?

Where are the stars of the Spielberg Academy Award lies?

Does anyone think the cerebral nick didn't leave Elie Wiesel, Simon Wiesenthal out on purpose?

 

[abaddon]

I'm reminded of the terms audacity and big kahunas.

Where is Simon Wiesenthal?

Where is Elie Wiesel?

Where are the stars of the Spielberg Academy Award lies?

Does anyone think the cerebral nick didn't leave Elie Wiesel, Simon Wiesenthal out on purpose?

Probably, because if he left them in, you would be moaning about there inclusion.

 

[Nick Terry]

I'm reminded of the terms audacity and big kahunas.

Where is Simon Wiesenthal?

Wiesenthal wasn't an Auschwitz/Treblinka witness, and I concentrated mainly on extermination camp witnesses, but not exclusively. You can add him under 'other'.

Doesn't make much difference since there are more than 200 names to contend with already.

Where is Elie Wiesel?

Auschwitz – Other (59)
Rudolf Vrba, Alfred Wetzler; Ada Bimko, Janda Weiss, Yehuda Bakon, Mordechai Lichtenstein, Liebermann, Regina Bialek, Sophia Litwinska, Ruth Elias, Klari Weiss, Primo Levi, Kitty Hart, Fania Fenelon, Olga Lengyel, Eugene Heimler, Elie Wiesel, Czeslaw Mordowicz, Arnost Rosin, Benedikt Kautsky, Moshe Garbarz, Rajzla Sadowska, Erwin Valentin, Lucie Adelsberger; Adolf Rögner, Erwin Bartel, Wilhelm Wohlfahrt, Bruno Baum, Hermann Langbein, Ella Lingens-Reiner, Walter Petzold, Otto Wolken, Marie-Claude Vaillant-Couturier, Jerzy Tabeau, Stanislaw Klodzinski, Stanislaw Chybinski, K.J., Franciszek Gulba, Jolan Holthost, Michal Kula, Seweryna Szmaglewskaya, Ludwig Nagraba, Zenon Rozanski, Josef Koczorowski, Ludwig Rajewski, Roman Taul, Feliks Mylyk, Zygmunt Smuzewski, Jiri Beranowsky, Eugeniusz Motz, Bogdan Glinski, Josef Vacek, Czeslaw Glowaki, Wojciech Barcz, Ludwig Banach, Wieslaw Kielar, Kazimierz Smolen, Henryk Porebski, Hugo Breiden.

spot him now?

(italicised names = published memoirists)

Where are the stars of the Spielberg Academy Award lies?

Deluded Witnesses (2)
Moshe Peer, Irene Zisblatt

Does anyone think the cerebral nick didn't leave Elie Wiesel, Simon Wiesenthal out on purpose?

Does anyone think Clayton Moore will ever get anything right?

 

[A'isha]

200 isn't 1. Do the math.

Comedy gold!

 

[Nick Terry]

No I get it. I know that vanishing without a trace is exceedingly difficult to accomplish and it's impossible using the technology of the holocaust. But that hasn't stopped historians from saying that's what happened except when it didn't happen.

How many of the 10s of 1000s of authors who have written about the Holocaust have actually said that people vanished without a trace?

But now that you've said that nobody vanished without a trace,

No, uke2se actually said

You don't get it do you? The Nazis tried to erase all trace of their crime. They failed. This means that nobody vanished without a trace like you said. There were plenty of traces left.

so you're quote-mining him, and ignoring the fact that he's not a native speaker of English, although his meaning was perfectly clear.

you must be able to answer the question: where did they go? We have evidence of hundreds of thousands of people being sent to a few tiny camps in Poland and then *poof* they're gone. What happened to these people? ALL these people?

Well, approximately 6-700,000 were cremated at Auschwitz in crematoria, another 300-400,000 were cremated in the open at Auschwitz, 152,000 were cremated in the open at Chelmno, 250,000 at Sobibor, 780,000 at Treblinka, 434,000 at Belzec, 50,000 at Majdanek, more than 25,000 at Maly Trostinets and around Minsk, nearly 20,000 at various sites around Riga and 5,000 outside Kaunas, to name some of the known locations.

Any other stupid questions?

 

[Clayton Moore]

Wiesenthal wasn't an Auschwitz/Treblinka witness, and I concentrated mainly on extermination camp witnesses, but not exclusively. You can add him under 'other'.

Doesn't make much difference since there are more than 200 names to contend with already.



Auschwitz – Other (59)
Rudolf Vrba, Alfred Wetzler; Ada Bimko, Janda Weiss, Yehuda Bakon, Mordechai Lichtenstein, Liebermann, Regina Bialek, Sophia Litwinska, Ruth Elias, Klari Weiss, Primo Levi, Kitty Hart, Fania Fenelon, Olga Lengyel, Eugene Heimler, Elie Wiesel, Czeslaw Mordowicz, Arnost Rosin, Benedikt Kautsky, Moshe Garbarz, Rajzla Sadowska, Erwin Valentin, Lucie Adelsberger; Adolf Rögner, Erwin Bartel, Wilhelm Wohlfahrt, Bruno Baum, Hermann Langbein, Ella Lingens-Reiner, Walter Petzold, Otto Wolken, Marie-Claude Vaillant-Couturier, Jerzy Tabeau, Stanislaw Klodzinski, Stanislaw Chybinski, K.J., Franciszek Gulba, Jolan Holthost, Michal Kula, Seweryna Szmaglewskaya, Ludwig Nagraba, Zenon Rozanski, Josef Koczorowski, Ludwig Rajewski, Roman Taul, Feliks Mylyk, Zygmunt Smuzewski, Jiri Beranowsky, Eugeniusz Motz, Bogdan Glinski, Josef Vacek, Czeslaw Glowaki, Wojciech Barcz, Ludwig Banach, Wieslaw Kielar, Kazimierz Smolen, Henryk Porebski, Hugo Breiden.

spot him now?

(italicised names = published memoirists)



Deluded Witnesses (2)
Moshe Peer, Irene Zisblatt


Does anyone think Clayton Moore will ever get anything right?

Gosh geewiz Batman who woulda thunk Elie would not be listed with the deluded witnesses?

 

[Clayton Moore]

I'll say it again: there is not a single credible book written by an eyewitness to Saggy's fantastical global Jewish conspiracy which controls the media, academia, and everything else.

The Life of an American Jew
in Racist Marxist Israel
Written in 1985 by Jack Bernstein

 

[uke2se]

No I get it. I know that vanishing without a trace is exceedingly difficult to accomplish and it's impossible using the technology of the holocaust. But that hasn't stopped historians from saying that's what happened except when it didn't happen.

None of the historians you quoted to support your point said that was what happened. They said that's what the Nazis were trying to make happen. Notice the difference.

But now that you've said that nobody vanished without a trace, you must be able to answer the question: where did they go? We have evidence of hundreds of thousands of people being sent to a few tiny camps in Poland and then *poof* they're gone. What happened to these people? ALL these people?

They were murdered. The evidence is overwhelming. Since you don't think they were murdered, you answer the same question: where did they go?

 

[uke2se]

Clayton, give it up. You bring nothing to the discussion.

 

[TSR]

The Life of an American Jew
in Racist Marxist Israel
Written in 1985 by Jack Bernstein

.
... is not a book, nor does it discuss Saggy's fantastical global Jewish conspiracy which controls the media, academia, and everything else. It merely whines about *one* supposed Jew's experiences in Israel.

Try again.
.