Occupy Wall Street better defend its identity

[Checkmite]

Is himself right-wing. Sourcefail.

Do you mean to imply that only left-wing analysts are capable of being objective?

 

[jhunter1163]

1. National convention to take place starting July 4, 2012 in Philly. Two delegates (one male, one female) to be elected from each congressional district. The delegates will come up with a Petition of Grievances, which they will submit to the Congress.

To be followed by the Feats of Strength and the raising of the Festivus pole?

 

[leftysergeant]

I'd ask if you've ever been introduced to the Excluded Middle Fallacy, but I see you're already well acquainted.

Have you read the 1st Amendment yet?

Have you ever heard of an argumentum ad misericordiam?

Seems to be all that the corpoarte swine have to offer to justify their tax breaks while the rest of us circle the toilet bowl.

 

[leftysergeant]

I had no idea you wanted to repeal the 1st Amendment.

Scary stuff if you ask me.

First Ammendment is fine. It's the idiotic crap that some corporate whore law clerk slipped into a decision as a headnote claiming 14th Ammendment rights for the corproate slime that needs to be overruled.

 

[JihadJane]

My solution is for these people to get the hell out of my city and organize in their own communities.

The city you live in also happens to be the financial capital of the world, a world that is in very severe financial crisis. Bad luck!

Theses fools ...

Please note what I said about name-calling in my last post.

... have done nothing but stand around and hold signs while they continue to hurt the working of people of NYC.

You obviously haven't been paying much attention if you think this is all they are doing.

Now they are threatening to clog our court system by demanding a trial for every misdomeanor arrest. Perhaps at one of their "teach-ins and discussion groups" they can learn the actual meaning of civil disobedience -- accept the punishment to show that it is the law that is wrong, not the action.

Which civil disobedience rule book does that come from?

These people are nothing but thugs ...

Not true. They are non-violent. They have been violently attacked by the police and have not retaliated with violence. Count your blessings.

... who think they can take over our city with mob justice and violence. Due to protestors two cops were hospitalized recently and a subway stop was shut down during yesterday's morning rush hour. Meanwhile I don't know anyone who would dare walk near Zuccotti Park at night, despite the police presence there. NYPD overtime is now over $3 million.

Who do you think is going to attack you?

So much for trying to help the other 99%. I can only hope we have an early and harsh winter.

I made some specific points, in response to your post, about banks having not paid back what was given to them. I notice that you haven't responded to these points at all. Instead you have posted a rant.

Every one of them started off with A specific demand: resignation of the ruling party.

Occupy Wall Street started off with a specific demand: Occupy Wall Street.

What do you think of the demand to Prosecute the Wall Street Mafia?

 

[Checkmite]

Occupy Wall Street started off with a specific demand: Occupy Wall Street.

What do you think of the demand to Prosecute the Wall Street Mafia?

Something tangible - finally. I think it stands a hell of a lot more chance of success than joining a drum circle.

 

[Checkmite]

Getting back to the Occupy A Park That Isn't On Wall Street folks, I can across this 99% Declaration; not sure if it's official, but worth discussing.

Essential elements of the plan are as follows:

1. National convention to take place starting July 4, 2012 in Philly. Two delegates (one male, one female) to be elected from each congressional district. The delegates will come up with a Petition of Grievances, which they will submit to the Congress.

It's an interesting concept in toto, but I'm afraid I can never support it since they require "delegates" to be of a certain gender. What were they thinking when they slipped that in there?

 

[bikerdruid]

Something tangible - finally. I think it stands a hell of a lot more chance of success than joining a drum circle.

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[Alt+F4]

The city you live in also happens to be the financial capital of the world, a world that is in very severe financial crisis. Bad luck!

Yes indeed bad luck for the 99% of New Yorkers who aren't millionaire Wall Street bankers.

Please note what I said about name-calling in my last post.

A fool is still a fool.

You obviously haven't been paying much attention if you think this is all they are doing.

Please, do tell us what they are accomplishing.

Which civil disobedience rule book does that come from?

Volume 1: Henry David Thoreau
Volume 2: Mohandas Gandhi
Volume 3: Rosa Parks
Volume 4: Martin Luther King, Jr.

Not true. They are non-violent. They have been violently attacked by the police and have not retaliated with violence. Count your blessings.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

I made some specific points, in response to your post, about banks having not paid back what was given to them. I notice that you haven't responded to these points at all. Instead you have posted a rant.

JPMorganChase paid back the TARP money. What don't you get about that?

Occupy Wall Street started off with a specific demand: Occupy Wall Street.

They couldn't even get that right, Zuccotti Park isn't on Wall Street and there has been no occupation of the actual Wall Street, which by the way isn't where the headquarters of big banks the fools hate are located. Epic fail.

 

[WildCat]

First Ammendment is fine. It's the idiotic crap that some corporate whore law clerk slipped into a decision as a headnote claiming 14th Ammendment rights for the corproate slime that needs to be overruled.

Nope, but thanks for once again proving you don't have the slightest clue as to what the Citizens United ruling was about.

The 14th Amendment was not mentioned once in the decision, while the 1st Amendment is cited 12 times.

This was a case about freedom of speech, and freedom of speech won.

 

[KoihimeNakamura]

Do you mean to imply that only left-wing analysts are capable of being objective?

I mean to imply his definition of extreme left wing isn't going to be accurate.

 

[Alt+F4]

What do you think of the demand to Prosecute the Wall Street Mafia?

I would like to know who specifically (by name) is in this "mafia" and what crimes they should be prosecuted for based on the the New York City criminal code, the New York State criminal code and/or the criminal code of the United States. Specific offenses by section number will be fine.

 

[Ziggurat]

Theses fools have done nothing but stand around and hold signs while they continue to hurt the working of people of NYC.

You obviously haven't been paying much attention if you think this is all they are doing.

JihadJane is right, Alt+F4, they're doing a lot more than just standing around with signs. For example, there was that guy who defecated on a cop car. That's dedication to the cause right there.

 

[Checkmite]

JihadJane is right, Alt+F4, they're doing a lot more than just standing around with signs. For example, there was that guy who defecated on a cop car. That's dedication to the cause right there.

In Cleveland they're raping their tentmates.

 

[Macgyver1968]

I've been following these protests from the beginning, but I still have yet to find what they are protesting for..maybe I'm just missing something.

 

[WildCat]

You obviously haven't been paying much attention if you think this is all they are doing.

Nope, some of them are doing some moneyless shopping!

Occupy Wall Street protesters said yesterday that packs of brazen crooks within their ranks have been robbing their fellow demonstrators blind, making off with pricey cameras, phones and laptops -- and even a hefty bundle of donated cash and food.

“Stealing is our biggest problem at the moment,” said Nan Terrie, 18, a kitchen and legal-team volunteer from Fort Lauderdale.

“I had my Mac stolen -- that was like $5,500. Every night, something else is gone. Last night, our entire [kitchen] budget for the day was stolen, so the first thing I had to do was . . . get the message out to our supporters that we needed food!”

Crafty cat burglars sneaked into the makeshift kitchen at Zuccotti Park overnight and swiped as much as $2,500 in donated greenbacks from right under the noses of volunteers who’d fallen asleep after a long day whipping up meals for the hundreds of hungry protesters, the volunteers said.

I'm sure you approve Jane, since you've voiced your glowing approval of this before.

 

[Emperor_Gestahl]

JihadJane is right, Alt+F4, they're doing a lot more than just standing around with signs. For example, there was that guy who defecated on a cop car. That's dedication to the cause right there.

There are CTs and communists mixed in there too, it's a veritable smorgasbord for the confirmation bias of anyone who wants to dislike the protestors. Reminds me of Tea Party actually, except this time it's Fox News (and apparently a lot of you guys) obsessing over the crazies and the fringes.

In Cleveland they're raping their tentmates.

So you count 1 rape so far, how does the rape rate of the OWS movement compare to the general population? Comments like this don't mean anything unless you include that kind of information, if not it's just more unscientific cherry-pick alarmism. Fox News style, even.

 

[Checkmite]

There are CTs and communists mixed in there too, it's a veritable smorgasbord for the confirmation bias of anyone who wants to dislike the protestors. Reminds me of Tea Party actually, except this time it's Fox News (and apparently a lot of you guys) obsessing over the crazies and the fringes.

As long as the movement pointedly embraces all comers of any type whose sole common denominator is a dislike of corporations, they should get used to being judged by the company they keep. It's not a matter of "confirmation bias", because OWS refuses to disclaim "the crazies and the fringes".

So you count 1 rape so far, how does the rape rate of the OWS movement compare to the general population? Comments like this don't mean anything unless you include that kind of information, if not it's just more unscientific cherry-pick alarmism. Fox News style, even.

Does this argument apply to the epidemic of theft at OWS that Wildcat mentioned and you avoided addressing, as well?

 

[Emperor_Gestahl]

As long as the movement pointedly embraces all comers of any type whose sole common denominator is a dislike of corporations, they should get used to being judged by the company they keep. It's not a matter of "confirmation bias", because OWS refuses to disclaim "the crazies and the fringes".

Who is going to disclaim them, the King of OWS? How are we to determine when they've been sufficiently "disclaimed"? You have no idea who does or doesn't disclaim anything, these "judgements" of yours are pure speculation. How many non-commie protesters have you asked their opinion about communists? How many non-truther protesters have you asked their opinion about truthers?

They should "get used to being judged" by people who possess far too little information to be making such judgements.

Does this argument apply to the epidemic of theft at OWS that Wildcat mentioned and you avoided addressing, as well?

I don't even know where Wildcat was going with that. In what culture does getting robbed reflect poorly on you, ancient Sparta?

 

[Neally]

There are CTs and communists mixed in there too, it's a veritable smorgasbord for the confirmation bias of anyone who wants to dislike the protestors. Reminds me of Tea Party actually, except this time it's Fox News (and apparently a lot of you guys) obsessing over the crazies and the fringes.

Wait, wasn't the isolated and repudiated bigoted signs at the TP rallies, concrete proof that they all were a bunch of knuckle dragging racists?