Occupy Wall Street better defend its identity

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dead wrong.
it has caused many people, worldwide, to question the status quo.
it is a huge success.....and it ain't over yet.

Yes, a huge success... a couple of hundred people in London and Hong Kong. Enormous.

The worldwide mass protest also arrived to my town, they took over the marketplace on Saturday. Or so I've heard, it was kind of hard to spot the dozen or so protesters because of all the people shopping for veggies and fish.
 
Yes, a huge success... a couple of hundred people in London and Hong Kong. Enormous.

The worldwide mass protest also arrived to my town, they took over the marketplace on Saturday. Or so I've heard, it was kind of hard to spot the dozen or so protesters because of all the people shopping for veggies and fish.

you really ought to read the news.:rolleyes:
 
No, they were blindingly repeating like a religious mantra. Just look at how they wave their hands to the sky. They never let the guest speak, they just prefer to repeat whatever the skinny guru guy in red says.



I have no idea what you're on about.
You also have no idea what went on at the rallies, but that didn't stop you from making up your own version of reality.
 
you really ought to read the news.:rolleyes:

You mean Rome? You must be real proud of that one.

However, if you want to protest in the financial capitals of the world, London and Hong Kong are among them but Rome isn't. Rome is the political center of Italy. The country's financial center is Milan, which is, among other things, the home of the Borsa Italiana.

Politically, Italians have plenty to protest about. Austerity measures, inefficient government, highest-paid politicians in Europe... and naturally, Berlusconi.
 
In my own cynical view they have already made their message quite clear.

"We are annoyed, we want you to do something about it."

The real problem is that without a clear message other than "Unrest" they are wide open to having others impose their narrative on them, anti-vaxers are already planning to exploit this as are the (un)usual suspects. The link below comes from a source I do not know well, so all the usual caveats apply.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/ame...rotests-and-fight-judeo-capitalist-banksters/
 
Here you go:

Bolding mine.

Thanks for the evidence about police overtime and some business angst. Are these reasons for people not to protest? Are they arguments against their discontent?

'Police told to move along as anti-bank protesters camp out at St Paul's'

"""In their stand against mammon, protesters occupying St Paul's churchyard to vent anger at reckless bankers found heartwarming support emanating from the house of God.

Far from requesting that the 300-strong crowd be removed from the cathedral steps on Sunday , the Rev Dr Giles Fraser, canon chancellor of St Paul's, requested that the police themselves move on as the Occupy London Stock Exchange protest entered its second day.

A line of officers had taken up position at the top of the steps to "protect" the building. "Which was very good of them," explained the canon. But then he had asked them if they would leave, "because I didn't feel that it needed that sort of protection".
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Now please provide evidence that "this is nothing but mob rule by a bunch of people that have no respect for private property or anyone living or working in that neighborhood", that the protestors are sleeping in their own feces and that protestors only complaint is "Hey, some people make too much money!".

While you're at it, please explain why the police have violently attacked non-violent protestors, share your suggestion about what you think protestors should do with their feces and urine and why you're so worried about them sleeping on damp concrete.


Can you name even one thing this "mass movement" has accomplished?

It has turned the spotlight onto Wall Street and the nature of political/economic power.

It has lightened the hearts of millions of people made heavy by economic injustice, environmental degradation, war and empire, for example. The movement has only just begun. It is looking for alternative ways of organizing the world.


To do what exactly?

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""""I was recently asked what I thought the “one demand” should be for the OWS protest. That’s a tough question. I’ve seen many lists of the things people are suggesting. Most seem well intended. However, no one demand alone even begins to scratch the surface of what‘s wrong here. In fact, in a way, it points out how far we really are, from seeing where we really are. To sum it all up in one demand seemed impossible, so I decided to try. After much thought, I constructed the following analogy to describe my take on this whole One Demand issue.

Take a map and draw a circle, then say, everyone outside the circle is to have their labor and resources exploited for the benefit of those inside the circle. If you live outside the circle you say, “this system is completely ********** up.” If you live inside the circle you say, “this is capitalism and it’s the best system on earth you should try it it’s awesome. Sure, people outside are suffering, but who gives a **** about them?”

Now as the circle shrinks, as it is designed to do, concentrating accumulated wealth, people begin finding themselves suddenly outside of the circle. They jump up and down and cry foul, but the ones still in the circle say, “tough ****, you were too slow, shoulda run faster to stay inside the circle“. But then, they soon realize that they too are too slow to keep up with the rapidly shrinking circle, and quickly they find themselves left out, so they cry foul. “The system is broken!!!” they decry! But is it? Isn’t this the way the system has always functioned? Why is it now broken just because they, we, no longer reside within the bounds of its benefits?

We stand outside the ever shrinking circle, yelling fixes, throwing band-aids, making demands that the ever shrinking circle expand! at least big enough to include us so that we can go back to not giving a **** about the people outside, but alas, it will not. The circle does not expand, it does not know how. It only knows how to contract, concentrate, condense, like a dark star collapsing in on itself. There is no “demand” that will drag the borders of the circle back around us. And even if you could, would you? Would you go back to *********** the rest of the world to have your cable TV and your steel belted radials? I hope not. I hope the world is ready to say no more. No more. Therefore, since it is my sincere belief that the circle is/was and always will be ****** up, I say, surround them and demand that they collapse in on themselves and disappear into their own black hole.

That is my One Demand.
""""

by Jinger Dixon, global trends analyst

[a synonym of "copulate" removed for JREF compliance - JJ]




What exactly are these linkys demonstrating? ;)
 
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It's a tactic called "the human megaphone" or something like that. In some venues amplification is prohibited and this way the people in the back get a chance to hear. Dunno why these guys are doing it, but it is in the script for these protests.

It's also fun.

Irish version:

 
Yup, this is what happens when you have a "movement" with no actual leaders....anyone can speak for you and in this case it's Edward Hall III.

Here he is representing the movement in a New York Times piece.
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/14/opposite-sides-of-the-protest-come-together-briefly/

Here he is in a photo with Susan Sarandon.
http://www.thoughtsfromaconservativemom.com/?p=29668

Here he is being interviewed by Democracy Now. Totally clueless.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rpDBC6rrEc

Oh noes, no leaders!

Why do you (and others of similar ilk) want the movement to be more effective in promulgating its message? I was under the impression that you didn't agree with it.
 
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"It's not one thing, it's everything".

Please explain how to fix everything.
 
From the US Embassy in Damascus Facebook page;

A Note from Facebook moderator Leslie Ordeman

We recently put up an article about the Occupy Wall Street protests in the USA -- there is lots of news about it on Syrian television stations.

For sure there is a lot of unhappiness in America about the economic situation. Unemployment is relatively high - nine percent. Housing prices keep falling, hurting more families. There is much debate between the two main American political parties about how to fix the U.S. economy.

We don't know exactly what will happen next. What we do know is:

* the US will have national elections in November 2012 that are not under the control of the American intelligence establishment but rather an independent election authority not controlled by the President or Congress;

* the Occupy Wall Street organizers will be entirely free to run as election candidates or to organize to support candidates;

* Occupy Wall Street groups will not be allowed to destroy public or private property, but they can organize more protests in other cities and they can say whatever they want about the U.S. government without being arrested or shot;

* the police will not shoot thousands of protesters;

* some Occupy Wall Street organizers have been arrested for disturbing public order (blocking traffic) but they won't be tortured, and no family will receive the body of a protester bearing torture marks.

* the international media and NGOs are watching and reporting on the Occupy Wall Street protests without interference from the government;

* the Occupy Wall Street organizers will be free to talk to any American or foreigner who wants to talk to them without fear of arrest;

* the U.S. government may complain that some countries' currency policies are hurting the U.S. economy, but the US government will not tell the world that there is a vague foreign conspiracy for which it lacks any specifics or evidence but that it says is encouraging the Occupy Wall Street or other protest movements.

Something to think about…

https://www.facebook.com/syria.usembassy/posts/10150363382797649
 
If you are referring to repeating what the speaker says, that came from bullhorns being banned in the initial protests. The crowd was repeating what the speakers said so people further away could hear the message.
But he has a bullhorn... :boggled:
 
Politically, Italians have plenty to protest about. Austerity measures, inefficient government, highest-paid politicians in Europe... and naturally, Berlusconi.

So maybe the message is that it is time for Berlusconi to think about retiring.
 
Why do you (and others of similar ilk) want the movement to be more effective in promulgating its message? I was under the impression that you didn't agree with it.

Because these fools don't even know what they are talking about. The link below shows a protestor this weekend holding a sign that says, "Chase, give us our money back". Ummm.....Chase repaid the TARP money (with interest) over two years ago! How can problems be solved if people are too ignorant to even try to figure out what they are?

http://www.npr.org/2011/10/15/141382468/occupy-wall-street-inspires-worldwide-protests
 
dead wrong.
it has caused many people, worldwide, to question the status quo.
it is a huge success.....and it ain't over yet.
Really? The measure of their success is their declared dissatisfaction with everything?

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