Occupy Wall Street better defend its identity

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Skeptic Ginger said:
While Zuccotti seems like a reasonable corporate citizen, you are talking about an uber rich real estate developer. Did you expect him to sympathize with a group protesting about too much wealth being concentrated at the top? I'm sure he and his corporate CEOs are annoyed. I'm not impressed.
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It's not about the owners of Zuccotti Park, it's about the people that work, live and go to school in that neighborhood. How is it fare that they have to be subjected to this mess? What does camping out in a park have to do with addressing problems in the U.S.? Go home and organize in your own communities.

As for everything else in your post, yes, you make good points. I don't however see the OWS crowd actually doing anything to address them. I did see a photo of Tim Robbins with a sign next to him reading, "weed not greed". Yeah, that's really helping....:rolleyes:[/quote]
 
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It gets better. The guy is a trust fund baby who once crawled through the baggage carousel at JFK to try to bypass security because he hadn't brought his ID with him. He's really special.
 
Ziggurat said:
Comedy gold:


It gets better. The guy is a trust fund baby who once crawled through the baggage carousel at JFK to try to bypass security because he hadn't brought his ID with him. He's really special.
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Yup, this is what happens when you have a "movement" with no actual leaders....anyone can speak for you and in this case it's Edward Hall III.

Here he is representing the movement in a New York Times piece.
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/14/opposite-sides-of-the-protest-come-together-briefly/

Here he is in a photo with Susan Sarandon.
http://www.thoughtsfromaconservativemom.com/?p=29668

Here he is being interviewed by Democracy Now. Totally clueless.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rpDBC6rrEc
 
'Think Occupy Wall St. is a phase? You don't get it'

"Anyone who says he has no idea what these folks are protesting is not being truthful. Whether we agree with them or not, we all know what they are upset about, and we all know that there are investment bankers working on Wall Street getting richer while things for most of the rest of us are getting tougher. What upsets banking's defenders and politicians alike is the refusal of this movement to state its terms or set its goals in the traditional language of campaigns.

That's because, unlike a political campaign designed to get some person in office and then close up shop (as in the election of Obama), this is not a movement with a traditional narrative arc. As the product of the decentralized networked-era culture, it is less about victory than sustainability. It is not about one-pointedness, but inclusion and groping toward consensus. It is not like a book; it is like the Internet.

Occupy Wall Street is meant more as a way of life that spreads through contagion, creates as many questions as it answers, aims to force a reconsideration of the way the nation does business and offers hope to those of us who previously felt alone in our belief that the current economic system is broken.

But unlike a traditional protest, which identifies the enemy and fights for a particular solution, Occupy Wall Street just sits there talking with itself, debating its own worth, recognizing its internal inconsistencies and then continuing on as if this were some sort of new normal. It models a new collectivism, picking up on the sustainable protest village of the movement's Egyptian counterparts, with food, first aid, and a library."


http://edition.cnn.com/2011/10/05/opinion/rushkoff-occupy-wall-street/index.html
 
JihadJane said:
Occupy Wall Street is meant more as a way of life that spreads through contagion, creates as many questions as it answers, aims to force a reconsideration of the way the nation does business and offers hope to those of us who previously felt alone in our belief that the current economic system is broken.
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Hope that what? We can go on a camping trip and pound on some drums and pretend that's the same thing as taking action to change what we don't like?

I think a more accurate summary of OWS is a group that has already tacitly acknowledged its failure as an actual force for change and has decided that the least they can do is sit around being sore about it.
 
Checkmite said:
I think a more accurate summary of OWS is a group that has already tacitly acknowledged its failure as an actual force for change and has decided that the least they can do is sit around being sore about it.
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you're not paying attention.
the movement is currently world-wide.
pull your head outa the sand and take a look around.
 
Pardalis said:
And people are afraid of the religious aspect of the Tea Party, this is as cult-like as it gets! Creepy... :scared:
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If you are referring to repeating what the speaker says, that came from bullhorns being banned in the initial protests. The crowd was repeating what the speakers said so people further away could hear the message.

If you are referring to something else, I haven't listened to the whole 10 minutes yet.
 
Checkmite said:
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I think a more accurate summary of OWS is a group that has already tacitly acknowledged its failure as an actual force for change and has decided that the least they can do is sit around being sore about it.
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Pretty much a premature conclusion considering the protests are growing and spreading.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
If you are referring to repeating what the speaker says, that came from bullhorns being banned in the initial protests. The crowd was repeating what the speakers said so people further away could hear the message.

If you are referring to something else, I haven't listened to the whole 10 minutes yet.
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It's a tactic called "the human megaphone" or something like that. In some venues amplification is prohibited and this way the people in the back get a chance to hear. Dunno why these guys are doing it, but it is in the script for these protests.
 
Pardalis said:
I know, there are alot of Marxists here too.
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A lot? Or just your lies about some of us?

I am a capitalist, always have been, and as far as I can see, always will be. I just believe some services are better provided by the community, and free markets require careful regulation. It isn't that complicated. I bet you use Canada's health care, police, fire and military services without too much criticism. Does that mean you are not a capitalist? Do you drive on Canadian roads? Use the court system? Visit any parks? Camp on federal lands? Benefit from consumer protection laws? Appreciate some trade laws and border patrols?

Are you sure you aren't a commie?
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
The crowd was repeating what the speakers said so people further away could hear the message.
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No, they were blindingly repeating like a religious mantra. Just look at how they wave their hands to the sky. They never let the guest speak, they just prefer to repeat whatever the skinny guru guy in red says.

Skeptic Ginger said:
A lot? Or just your lies about some of us?

I am a capitalist, always have been, and as far as I can see, always will be. I just believe some services are better provided by the community, and free markets require careful regulation. It isn't that complicated. I bet you use Canada's health care, police, fire and military services without too much criticism. Does that mean you are not a capitalist? Do you drive on Canadian roads? Use the court system? Visit any parks? Camp on federal lands? Benefit from consumer protection laws? Appreciate some trade laws and border patrols?

Are you sure you aren't a commie?
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I have no idea what you're on about.
 
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