Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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truethat said:
Why would an intruder be barefoot? Hello? Only someone who lived in the house would be barefoot.
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My point exactly.

And since it doesn't match Amanda, we have to assume it's one of the roommates, and that it wasn't made in blood.
 
Machiavelli said:
No, it isn't. The print was considered compatible with Amanda, because of the rest of its measurements. But I found the attribution objectionable because of the small toes. As for the second toe, I don't know if the long toe can just be crooked or lifted on walking: in fact this is a partial print, seems like the person is only putting half of his/her feet on the floor, or might have been in a strange position.
But I don't know it it's Amanda's. And I'm no ortopedic. This footprint to me is a question mark.
What I know for sure is the print on the bathmat is a match to Sollecito and not to Rudy, and that there is also a smaller print on the bathmat. I also found that one of the footprints in luminol is compatible with Sollecito, but I think not with other luminol footprints.
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How can you call a print that has a different shape a "match"?

You never responded to my question of how Raf's big toe changed shapes like that.
 
truethat said:
Why would an intruder be barefoot? Hello? Only someone who lived in the house would be barefoot.
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In terms of the bathmat footprint, what is most likely is that Rudy Guede had blood on the leg of his trousers when he entered the bathroom, and that he removed his footwear but not his trousers before washing the leg of his trousers in the shower. A mixture of blood and water, mostly water, was on his foot when he stepped out of the shower thus the faint footprint in diluted blood on the bathmat.

Afterwards he could have put his sock(s) and shoe(s) back on and thus left no more bare footprints.

As for the luminol footprints, there's no reason to think they are in any way related to the crime.
 
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Machiavelli said:
I think the rock just fell and bowled there.
An interesting detail: the paper bag was broken by the weight of the stone; on falling, the torne paper ended on top of one of the clothes that allegedly the burglar should have tossed on the floor. Just a little detail.
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I take it then, you don't think they staged the placement of the rock, and that they assumed wherever it landed would make sense?

Wow, how likely was it that this blue sweatshirt, or whatever it is, was already on the floor?

 
The fact is Amanda's blood was in the bathroom, on the faucet and on a plastic box.
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Is this claim true? I found no mention of this in Massei which I feel is the best guilter source for information. There is a box of cotton buds mentioned but this contained a mixed profile of Amanda and Knox. Massei's court did not conclude that this was Amanda's blood mixed with Meredith's blood. So what is he talking about here?
 
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Malkmus said:
How can you call a print that has a different shape a "match"?

You never responded to my question of how Raf's big toe changed shapes like that.
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For that I have a very articulated response, it is made of pictures, and this is not the right forum.
I found the bathmat and raffaele's print to be a surprisingly good match. And I found the print to be incompatible with Guede's. I made rather precise measurements and a few drawings, but I never posted the pictures in the internet. I posted some "drafts" in the past but never what I consider the accurate work.
 
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Ammonitida said:
Is this claim true? I found no mention of this in Massei which I feel is the best guilter source for information. There is a box of cotton buds mentioned but this contained a mixed profile of Amanda and Knox. Massei's court did not conclude this was Amanda's blood mixed with Meredith's blood. So what is he talking about here?
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A mixed profile of Amanda and Knox :D

yes it is this that one, in English I didn't remember the word to say "cotton buds" in fact.
 
mixed DNA versus mixed blood

Machiavelli said:
A mixed profile of Amanda and Knox :D

yes it is this that one, in English I didn't remember the word to say "cotton buds" in fact.
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Machiavelli,

Mixed DNA is not the same thing as mixed blood. There is no evidence that Amanda's DNA came from blood.
 
Machiavelli said:
For that I have a very articulated response, it is made of pictures, and this is not the right forum.
I found the bathmat and raffaele's print to be a surprisingly good match. And I found the print to be incompatible with Guede's. I made rather precise measurements and a few drawings, but I never posted the pictures in the internet. I posted some "drafts" in the past but never what I consider the accurate work.
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Post your "studies" here and we'll compare it to Vinci's work on the footprint.
 
Machiavelli said:
For that I have a very articulated response, it is made of pictures, and this is not the right forum.
I found the bathmat and raffaele's print to be a surprisingly good match. And I found the print to be incompatible with Guede's. I made rather precise measurements and a few drawings, but I never posted the pictures in the internet. I posted some "drafts" in the past but never what I consider the accurate work.
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Who cares about measurements and size when Raf's reference print is clearly a different shape? The thing is, you've figured out a way to compare the prints measurements-wise and I've seen your theories in detail at PMF. None of it is able to explain the difference in shape, which is the most abundantly clear difference. By sticking to numbers, you're able to avoid the obvious difference that anyone can see with their own eyes. I would compare your methods to that of LM Robbins who was able to put away many innocent people with obfuscation and confusing equations that sounded like they made sense to a jury, but were in fact false.
 
Malkmus said:
Who cares about measurements and size when Raf's reference print is clearly a different shape? The thing is, you've figured out a way to compare the prints measurements-wise and I've seen your theories in detail at PMF. None of it is able to explain the difference in shape, which is the most abundantly clear difference. By sticking to numbers, you're able to avoid the obvious difference that anyone can see with their own eyes. I would compare your methods to that of LM Robbins who was able to put away many innocent people with obfuscation and confusing equations that sounded like they made sense to a jury, but were in fact false.
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I want to know his measurements. This should be interesting.
 
Machiavelli said:
For that I have a very articulated response, it is made of pictures, and this is not the right forum.
I found the bathmat and raffaele's print to be a surprisingly good match. And I found the print to be incompatible with Guede's. I made rather precise measurements and a few drawings, but I never posted the pictures in the internet. I posted some "drafts" in the past but never what I consider the accurate work.
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Great!

Now all you have to do is demonstrate that your methodology, applied to cases where you don't already know the answer, produces the correct result substantially more often than chance. Maybe get some of your scientific peers to replicate the results too... that always helps.

Then not only will you be famous but you'll have advanced forensic science substantially!

Of course if you haven't done this yet there is always the possibility that you're just engaging in some totally unscientific crank work to generate numbers that give a pseudo-scientific cachet to a predetermined, irrational and just plain false conclusion.
 
Machiavelli said:
No but, actually, not all the mops were found and tested. If Amanda was at Quintavalle the next morning, this was not to buy bleach, but to buy (a) new mop "head/s".
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And where did they dump the bloody mop? Where in the house did they use this mop and did the luminol reveal swirl marks from this cleanup?



Massei remarks that the stained bathmat on the clean floor is itself an obvious evidence of cleanup.

The fact is Amanda's blood was in the bathroom, on the faucet and on a plastic box. This, itself, cannot be dated. But contextually, it can be: Amanda dated it by saying it was not there the day before, and she did not provide possible explanations for why it could have fallen there in the morning. It was in a very visible place, where it would have been cleaned by Meredith if was there before, and we don't have memories by Amanda about blood losses (blood gets on finger, body etc) even the day before. We have all elements to define "unlikely" that this blood stain is unrelated to the context, since there is no element that would make it likely outside the context. It is not normal that one doesn't know, did not realize, if he/she had a blood loss the day before, it is not likely to have no clue about it; and it is not normal that one does not realize if is bleeding at the moment as amande recalls t have done in her e-mail: a normal person checks immediately on his/her body if thinks a blood stain comes from his/her ear face or or body; that would be the first thing, not calculating the size of the stain to conclude it's not yours because too big.
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This really doesn't answer the question: why didn't she/they just take a piece of tissue, wipe the blood away and flush it down the toilet?

Why do you believe this liar about there not being blood there the day before? Why would she say that?

It may not be normal but I have found blood and not known where it came from. The drops on the faucet were tiny.

She didn't think ever that the blood on the mat came from her.
 
This is the problem with Yummi's analysis:



He counts what is obviously a disconnected splotch as part of the big toe (the court did as well), and makes a huge error in assuming that the part between Raffaele's big toe and the ball of his foot touches the ground. It does not. Rudy's does.

This overlay above is what Machummi thinks is a "match".
 
I have made drawings that show how to cure cancer and HIV. But none of you will ever see them. This is not the right forum. buhahahaha.
 
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Malkmus said:
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Looks sort of like a sketch of the Isthmus of Panama.

Foxy Knoxy is now in the US. I don't see her ever being extradited should the prosecutor try to appeal/overturn the recent decision. I suspect she'll not travel to Italy any time soon, or at least not while that prosecutor is in office.

What is there to discuss now?

Who killed Meredith Kercher? Who killed Cock Robin?

If that's the case, should that topic not have its own thread, since FK is off the table?
 
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