Gang stalking paranoia

[carlitos]

Optionally, include gas lighting.

I have to ask why you were rejecting this definition and the gang stalking website before? Your site says exactly the same thing.

Gang Stalking -- Fair Gaming -- Freemason Silent Dagger -- Harassment -- Gaslighting
Gang Stalking is nearly identical to scientology's Fair Gaming, and the Freemason's Silent Daggar -- beginning with discrediting the target. To see what I mean, Google the term 'Gang Stalking' -- or 'Freemason Silent Dagger' -- it looks like the practice is far more widespread. Countless gangs of people worldwide, known as Gang Stalkers are available to scientology. It is huge, and it's happening daily, in your neighborhood, right under your nose.

I have seen many fruitless forum discussions about scientology's Fair Game, which always end up the same. Such as; there aren't enough OSA agents -- OSA is toothless these days -- you couldn't hire enough private investigators (PI's) to do the job.

Yet it is very rare to see the term 'Gang Stalking' referenced on scientology space cult blogs.

The best site I know of is: www.GangStalkingWorld.com -- here's an excerpt...

Gang Stalking ... seeks to destroy every aspect of a Targeted Individuals life ... the target is followed around 24/7 by the various communities ... Everyone in the targets life is contacted ... Advised not to discuss the notification and asked to be a part of the ongoing, never ending monitoring (systemic harassment) process ... harassed and placed under surveillance in this way for months or even years before they realize that they are being targeted by an organized protocol of harassment. [stalkers are] only to be seen in twos -- we often do not have the same proof -- Watching and recording the everyday activities...

Sorry, the above doesn't happen. It's paranoia.

 

[Checkmite]

Tell me more about the "Freemason Silent Daggar". I'm intrigued.

 

[AaronAgassi]

carlitos, Gang stalking occurs and exists. There are people who do it to other people. "Gang Stalking" in scare quotes, such as necessarily must include fanciful elements of paranoid crank conspiracism, specifically: super secret masterfully all controlling cabals and shadow government equipped with exotic technology, does not exist. But it is a lie to suggest that simply because "Gang Stalking" as in scare quotes does not exist, real gang stalking (which indeed in actuality is hardly so resource intensive or difficult), is therefore manifestly impossible. Mythical "Gang Stalking" is purportedly omnipresent and omniscient in surveillance. Real psychological warfare of actual gang stalking in its mysterious intermittence, night simply feel that way.

FoolQuest.com is mine. Hence the same voice as mu posts here. Articulating myself in debate, helps me netter revise and improve my webpage.

Checkmite, you appear to have clicked a link from my Cliquebusters page to content offsite.

 

[Kid Eager]

carlitos, Gang stalking occurs and exists. There are people who do it to other people. "Gang Stalking" in scare quotes, such as necessarily must include fanciful elements of paranoid crank conspiracism, specifically: super secret masterfully all controlling cabals and shadow government equipped with exotic technology, does not exist. But it is a lie to suggest that simply because "Gang Stalking" as in scare quotes does not exist, real gang stalking, which indeed in actuality is hardly so resource intensive or difficult, is therefore manifestly impossible.

FoolQuest.com is mine. Hence the same voice as mu posts here. Articulating myself in debate, helps me netter revise and improve.

Checkmite, you appear to have clicked a link from my Cliquebusters page to content offsite.

Your website needs considerable work - its look and feel appears to have been inspired by the Timecube website. It does you no favours in whatever debate you are trying to articulate.

 

[carlitos]

carlitos, Gang stalking occurs and exists. There are people who do it to other people.

Please provide evidence that gang stalking, as you describe, exists. You will be the first to do so here.

 

[AaronAgassi]

What are the appropriate standards of evidence?

 

[carlitos]

What are the appropriate standards of evidence?

I'd settle for one case even being described effectively. If you could describe the facts for one "gang stalking" case in a concise manner, that would help.

Who is targeted?
Where are they targeted?
What are the "stalkers" doing? How are they "stalking?"
Most importantly - WHY? Why was an individual targeted? Who benefits from "gang stalking" that individual?

For evidence, I'd accept anything beyond the word of the "targeted individual."

 

[AaronAgassi]

I'm going to begin with your third question, carlitos: "What are the "stalkers" doing? How are they "stalking?"" Answer: Often essentially vigilantes, the stalkers may think if their howsoever covert or clandestine as: surveillance. But the stalking is seldom limited to unobtrusive observation. Gang stalkers are engaged in mobile covert relational hostility with incitation and even coercion towards shunning and mobbing. Where? In my case, at particular social events that they have completely poisoned for me. Cyber-bullying, too. I only hope that it will never escalate to the point of actually spilling out onto the sidewalks of my home town!

As for evidence, other than from online, all I have is my own experience and heresy of gang stalking against me that I had not hither to been aware, things overheard and how pthers had been approached. I have my self also been intimidated in efforts to isolate another. Divide and conquer! I'd only love to lay hands upon hard evidence. Would you be interested in helping me pr anyone else in a similar predicament, get covert video? Would you even just stick up for anyone you ever see being bullied, even very sneakily? Or better still, might you pretend to approve, and get the bullies bragging? Would that be evidence enough?

Motives? Covert relational hostility and bullying which is generally both heteronymous and sadistic, often takes the form of cockblocking: The purpose is sex, power, Existential validation. Take your pick! Or ask them. They won't say, of course. But some of those ******** simply owe me money.

 

[calebprime]

Your website needs considerable work - its look and feel appears to have been inspired by the Timecube website. It does you no favours in whatever debate you are trying to articulate.

I was going to say the same. You seem to be pretty articulate, but all the crazy colors, all the links, make it hard and strange to read.

I speak as one who, when I posted some of my first threads here, thought it was somehow more vivid or more clear to use different fonts and colors for emphasis. It's not. Instead, my posts just looked wacky.

Any document that's intended to communicate (as opposed to just being notes to yourself) should probably wear unobtrusive garb, not something that strains the eyes.

 

[deeper]

I'm going to begin with your third question, carlitos: "What are the "stalkers" doing? How are they "stalking?"" Answer: Often essentially vigilantes

You mentioned vigilanteism earlier, as the "evidence" you have offered only relates to yourself, what is the "perceived crime" that inspired this vigilanteism?

In my case, at particular social events that they have completely poisoned for me.

Could you provide detail on how they achieved this?

 

[Pup]

Everyone in the targets life is contacted ... Advised not to discuss the notification and asked to be a part of the ongoing, never ending monitoring (systemic harassment) process

Sorry, the above doesn't happen. It's paranoia.

Indeed, the part I quoted is the weak link.

I had a rival try the above on me, maybe 10 or 12 years ago. At the time, we were both vendors in a fairly small hobby and also both wanting to influence the direction the hobby was taking, so she had motivation to discredit me.

She tried secretly, as I found out later, to contact some mutual acquaintences with false accusations about me. Guess what? People are people; they don't necessarily believe what others tell them, or do what others say.

The whole thing blew up when she misjudged and contacted someone who realized what she was trying to do, told me about it, and I exposed the whole thing.

Sure, there are bullies with their cliques, and they can make life miserable for their victims. But it is indeed paranoia to think that if a stranger approached those close to you and invited them to help gangstalk you, all of your friends, family and acquaintances would either join in or keep quiet and let it continue. Human nature just doesn't work that way.

 

[carlitos]

thanks again for replying, we seem to be making progress

I'm going to begin with your third question, carlitos: "What are the "stalkers" doing? How are they "stalking?"" Answer: Often essentially vigilantes, the stalkers may think if their howsoever covert or clandestine as: surveillance. But the stalking is seldom limited to unobtrusive observation. Gang stalkers are engaged in mobile covert relational hostility with incitation and even coercion towards shunning and mobbing.

Could you please explain what you mean by the highlighted part. I have no idea what "shunning" has to do with harassment, and I can't understand what you mean by "mobbing."

Try explaining it in the form of a simple English sentence.
For example:

Joe followed me to work every day for 2 weeks and took my picture and called my girlfriend, mother and boss and told them to shut up about it.​

Also, as noted, "vigilantes" take the law into their own hands after a crime. What was the perceived crime?

Where? In my case, at particular social events that they have completely poisoned for me. Cyber-bullying, too. I only hope that it will never escalate to the point of actually spilling out onto the sidewalks of my home town!

Again, could you please give specifics. You seem to be speaking in generalities and I can't tell what you mean. Change the names and places if you like.

As for evidence, other than from online, all I have is my own experience and heresy of gang stalking against me that I had not hither to been aware, things overheard and how pthers had been approached. I have my self also been intimidated in efforts to isolate another. Divide and conquer! I'd only love to lay hands upon hard evidence.

I assume you meant to say "hearsay." Again, what evidence do you have of what specific actions that you are calling "gang stalking?" I'd be happy to hear the about your own experience.

Would you be interested in helping me pr anyone else in a similar predicament, get covert video?

I don't know what a similar predicament is, so I can't say.

Would you even just stick up for anyone you ever see being bullied, even very sneakily?

Sure, but I've never seen someone bullied "sneakily." How does that work?

Or better still, might you pretend to approve, and get the bullies bragging? Would that be evidence enough?

That would be awesome evidence, sure.

Motives? Covert relational hostility and bullying which is generally both heteronymous and sadistic, often takes the form of cockblocking: The purpose is sex, power, Existential validation. Take your pick! Or ask them. They won't say, of course. But some of those ******** simply owe me money.

1 - You really might consider writing with more simple terms. "both heteronymous and sadistic" makes about as much sense as "both rhyming and erotic."

2 - Cockblocking? Someone kept you from getting laid and that's "gangstalking?" This sounds like you are redefining terms to me.

 

[Checkmite]

carlitos, Gang stalking occurs and exists. There are people who do it to other people. "Gang Stalking" in scare quotes, such as necessarily must include fanciful elements of paranoid crank conspiracism, specifically: super secret masterfully all controlling cabals and shadow government equipped with exotic technology, does not exist. But it is a lie to suggest that simply because "Gang Stalking" as in scare quotes does not exist, real gang stalking (which indeed in actuality is hardly so resource intensive or difficult), is therefore manifestly impossible. Mythical "Gang Stalking" is purportedly omnipresent and omniscient in surveillance. Real psychological warfare of actual gang stalking in its mysterious intermittence, night simply feel that way.

Okay, AaronAgassi, please answer this one question: Which is more important to you, of the following two choices?

1. Addressing the actual problem that you refer to as gang stalking, or

2. "Taking back the term 'Gang Stalking'" from the crazies.


Because by focusing on choice 2, you distract attention from choice 1. If I had a problem I thought was serious, but was creating confusion because it was named similarly to a bunch of conspiratorial malarkey and this was causing people not to take me seriously - I'd call the problem something else without too much hesitation.

 

[AaronAgassi]

deeper, vigilantism of whatever sort need not actually follow legal statute. Although, accusations may range from the supernatural to the sordid, there is also innuendo that is just plain confusing even to the very perpetrators! Bullies are seldom candid as to their motives, and long lived grudges don't become more lucid over time. The varied motives for bullying are subject to a fairly vast body of study and surmise. But the example made by singling out targets for bullying is observably effective as peer pressure for keeping others in fear and under control. You ask how the community of the social events I attend has been poisoned for me. Do you understand what is a toxic social environment? I live in fear of being harassed, thrown out, banned, at anytime, because of the most transparent agitation by the most notorious liars. Complaints have even been lodged against me before my very arrival at the hotel! And I suspect that the process, such as it is, works entirely by gossip, with no written record. It is no secret how I am subject to the most hateful defamation as some kind of undesirable. And I am shadowed everywhere around the hotel whose function space serves the various functions of the event, every day, by the volunteer security of the function, intimidating others amid the crowds as we mill about, in order to prevent them from interacting with me. I learned about this from other who told me later. It was actually decades ago that I first learned of how a rotten cockblocking clique of bullies who had it in for me, were actually sneaking up behind girls I was talking to as the crowds were milling about, and asking them: "Is this guy bothering you?" Finally one of them attending the function from far out of town, had the guts and sense to tell me! Now the bullies volunteer for convention security in order to throw their weight around in socially isolating their targets of stalking, myself and some others I am finally learning about at all, round the clock for the entire three days or more. Often, they can get the collaboration of hotel security, who are often fairly thugly, bored and uneducated.

Therefore, Pup, surely because someone ineptly attempted to bully you behind your back and failed, cannot be taken as conclusive evidence that it never succeeds. There are many variables. Indeed, true, not actually everyone can be co-opted. But not literally everyone needs to be.

carlitos, as you request, I shall be more specific: Yes, I am a big nerd! And Science Fiction conventions are an important social outlet for me. Cons attract many kinds of vulnerable people to come and open themselves up, and interact more playfully than one ever will patiently hanging out in bars or whatever, but at the same time cons thereby draw the very bullies that prey upon people who are at all different. The socially inept in general, divide into two categories: the harmlessly awkward and oddball on the one hand, and the angry emotionally immature though actually well organized domineering social know-it-alls on the other. It's a disastrous mix! -like Junior High School on steroids, run by sadistic petty bureaucrats and Heterosexual vicious Queens and there toadies, and all completely unchecked, running rampant and rough shod over the most poorly equipped to deal with it and ever put a stop to it.

Checkmite, to answer your artificial hypothetical dilemma, addressing the problem is the most important of course. And I can see where your headed, but go on and play though!

A closing word about full on organized gang stalking or cause stalking out in the streets: I find that there are credible accounts and discourse, even history. But one must put aside the Tabloid Weird nonsense that couldn't have been better concocted in order to discredit any well possibly real and disturbing socio-political phenomenon.

Even in my own unpleasant experience, I repeatedly discover not that I am paranoid, but that I have not been paranoid enough!

 

[carlitos]

deeper, vigilantism of whatever sort need not actually follow legal statute. Although, accusations may range from the supernatural to the sordid, there is also innuendo that is just plain confusing even to the very perpetrators! Bullies are seldom candid as to their motives, and long lived grudges don't become more lucid over time. The varied motives for bullying are subject to a fairly vast body of study and surmise. But the example made by singling out targets for bullying is observably effective as peer pressure for keeping others in fear and under control.

Really, your posts would be much more clear without all of this meaningless blather. Grudges cannot become lucid. Please consider using simple words that convey clear meaning.

You ask how the community of the social events I attend has been poisoned for me. Do you understand what is a toxic social environment? I live in fear of being harassed, thrown out, banned, at anytime, because of the most transparent agitation by the most notorious liars.

Banned from what? By whom?

It is no secret how I am subject to the most hateful defamation as some kind of undesirable. And I am shadowed everywhere around the hotel whose function space serves the various functions of the event, every day, by the volunteer security of the function, intimidating others amid the crowds as we mill about, in order to prevent them from interacting with me. I learned about this from other who told me later.

OK, you seem to think that security in a hotel is shadowing you. Thanks for something specific.

It was actually decades ago that I first learned of how a rotten cockblocking clique of bullies who had it in for me, were actually sneaking up behind girls I was talking to as the crowds were milling about, and asking them: "Is this guy bothering you?" Finally one of them attending the function from far out of town, had the guts and sense to tell me! Now the bullies volunteer for convention security in order to throw their weight around in socially isolating their targets of stalking, myself and some others I am finally learning about at all, round the clock for the entire three days or more. Often, they can get the collaboration of hotel security, who are often fairly thugly, bored and uneducated.

Are you saying that the security you perceive as stalking you are the same people that kept you from talking to girls years ago?

carlitos, as you request, I shall be more specific: Yes, I am a big nerd! And Science Fiction conventions are an important social outlet for me. Cons attract many kinds of vulnerable people to come and open themselves up, and interact more playfully than one ever will patiently hanging out in bars or whatever, but at the same time cons thereby draw the very bullies that prey upon people who are at all different. The socially inept in general, divide into two categories: the harmlessly awkward and oddball on the one hand, and the angry emotionally immature though actually well organized domineering social know-it-alls on the other. It's a disastrous mix!

You didn't say anything specific here. It's a simple question. Who is doing what to whom? A where and a why would really add to it. It couldn't be more simple. You claim that you are being gang stalked. Write a simple sentence to explain your claim. Include the subject, a verb and an object. You could do it in 5 words - Security are spying on me. Then, as a bonus - Where? In X location. Why? Because of Y. Seriously. Please write clearly.

Even in my own unpleasant experience, I repeatedly discover not that I am paranoid, but that I have not been paranoid enough!

I worry about this.

 

[AaronAgassi]

"Banned from what? By whom?" Banned from attendance, by the convention committee. "Are you saying that the security you perceive as stalking you are the same people that kept you from talking to girls years ago?" No. They were merely instrumental in getting the ball rolling. In the words of Thomas Jones: “Friends may come and go, but enemies accumulate.”

 

[carlitos]

You said you "live in fear of being harassed, thrown out, banned, at anytime." You didn't say that these things actually happened. Did they? What were the specifics (who what why when where)?

So the events from years ago are completely unrelated, but you are relating them by the common element that you perceive these people as "enemies." Got it.

 

[AaronAgassi]

carlitos, if you truly cannot make the leap of inference, plenty of those things have happened, indeed in a constant stream. And it's overwhelming enough without your browbeating. Ease up! You think that more concrete instances will help you understand, whereas, perhaps what you lack is broader conceptual underground for context. If you really don't know how bullies are so often sneaky and devious, then you need to go back to http://www.FoolQuest.com/cliquebusters.htm and click the pertinent links.

 

[uke2se]

carlitos, if you truly cannot make the leap of inference, plenty of those things have happened, indeed in a constant stream. And it's overwhelming enough without your browbeating. Ease up! You think that more concrete instances will help you understand, whereas, perhaps what you lack is broader conceptual underground for context. If you really don't know how bullies are so often sneaky and devious, then you need to go back to http://www.FoolQuest.com/cliquebusters.htm and click the pertinent links.

I'm sorry if you perceive this as disrespectful, but you are joking, right?

 

[carlitos]

carlitos, if you truly cannot make the leap of inference,

Why in the world do I have to make a leap? If something is happening, please tell us what it is.

plenty of those things have happened, indeed in a constant stream.

What things? You being "harassed, thrown out, banned?" Is there some dark force that prevents you from stating exactly what happened? Who did what do whom, where, when and why?

And it's overwhelming enough without your browbeating.

Browbeating? I keep asking you what is happening, and you keep not answering. What in the world is happening, that you are claiming as "gang stalking?" What?

Ease up!

No.

You think that more concrete instances will help you understand, whereas, perhaps what you lack is broader conceptual underground for context.

The next "concrete instance" that you post will be your first. Only in your imagination have you posted a "concrete instance" of "gang stalking."

If you really don't know how bullies are so often sneaky and devious, then you need to go back to http://www.FoolQuest.com/cliquebusters.htm and click the pertinent links.

That site is unreadable. It links to definitions of gang stalking that you previously disavowed as being driven by "whackos." It adds no value to this discussion.