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Australian Federal Election 2010

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A.A. Alfie said:
It's a sad day for democracy when a tax we didn't get a chance to vote on...
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I'm sure there have been taxes that have been passed by previous governments where the people didn't "get a chance to vote on" as you put it. It doesn't mean that it's a sad day for democracy, more that you don't seem to understand how our system of government works.

...one that is unwanted by the majority of the population, is imposed by a government that categorically promised they wouldn't.
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Do you have any evidence that they made this promise at any other point that wasn't basically at the last minute?
 
Wildy said:
Do you have any evidence that they made this promise at any other point that wasn't basically at the last minute?
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When should they have made the promise - one year before the election, one month? Your question is ridiculous. Making it at the last minute only to renege makes it worse, not better.

Interesting too how they celebrate the death of democracy by thumbing their noses at the electorate, most of whom do not want this tax by celebrating the passing of a bill.

To add further insult to further injury, Gillard is also threatening the political equivalent of a scorched earth action by way of trying to make the tax irreversible. Such arrogance, what if she is wrong?

The electorate will not forget.

A truly sad day for Australian democracy.
 
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One wonders how people might feel should (say) an extreme right wing party hold the balance of power under a Coalition government. Abbott might have to impose (say) capital punishment to keep them appeased. The electorate is 2:1 against it however it had to be done to secure government.

No doubt all would see this as a perfectly acceptable outcome and calls to "get over it" would be graciously accepted by those who might object.

Hmmmm, I wonder.
 
Really?! How come? Why is it different? It is exactly the same save for a policy.

For a climate skeptic, you certainly are backing a funny team LK.
 
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After abject cowardice in not presenting the refugee bill Gillard had a choice:
1/. go to Nauru for offshore processing or
2/. go against its own desires ("in the national interest") to process asylum seekers offshore and process them in Australia.

Correct! Flip flop, she is to process them in Australia - which will tragically lure more refugees to their deaths.

This is truly the worst PM in our history.
 
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A.A. Alfie said:
After abject cowardice in not presenting the refugee bill Gillard had a choice:
1/. go to Nauru for offshore processing or
2/. go against its own desires ("in the national interest") to process asylum seekers offshore and process them in Australia.

Correct! Flip flop, she is to process them in Australia - which will tragically lure more refugees to their deaths.

This is truly the worst PM in our history.
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Things is Alfie, all they had to do was rush it in the day before to get it passed. I think they should have. It's going to not get past the Senate anyway. So it's all academic. Not abject cowardice, just counting the numbers. Your conceren about refugees is touching, if not entirely convincing.

They got the Carbon Tax through, which is much more important. :bounce2:cheerleader5:cheerleader4
 
Abbott claims “We on this side will work every hour of every day to repeal this bad tax". He is a nutcase. Every hour of every day? Seriously? In blood? He makes the perfect opposition leader, if all you want is a never ending war, and the a terrifying prospect of an actual Prime Minister. We don't want that sort of maniacal blathering for leadership.
 
a_unique_person said:
Fran Bailey is a world away from the likes of Abbott in intelligence, dignity and humanity.

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So you are saying you would like Sophie Mirabella?
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I didn't know who she was, so I looked her up. Dear god, if she ever gets in a position of responsibility in government we're screwed.
 
A.A. Alfie said:
It's a sad day for democracy when a tax we didn't get a chance to vote on, one that is unwanted by the majority of the population, is imposed by a government that categorically promised they wouldn't.
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Hate to break it to you Alfie, but we're a Representative Constitutional Monarchy, not a Direct Democracy.
 
A.A. Alfie said:
One wonders how people might feel should (say) an extreme right wing party hold the balance of power under a Coalition government. Abbott might have to impose (say) capital punishment to keep them appeased. The electorate is 2:1 against it however it had to be done to secure government.

No doubt all would see this as a perfectly acceptable outcome and calls to "get over it" would be graciously accepted by those who might object.

Hmmmm, I wonder.
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Since that will never happen I'm not sure why we should care.
 
a_unique_person said:
No. Not at all. You I have completely misrepresented my position. Have a nice day.
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ftfy.

The Carbon tax is much more important. Is this what you said. Yes or no? You are responsible for what you write, not me.

Given same (yes), you hold a carbon tax in higher estimation than people travelling on boats. Right now we are effectively without border protection and pull factors are back in place. People may die and you are dancing about the introduction of a tax, totally dismissive of the people who will send their children here on leaky boats.

How nice.

If I am misrepresenting you, perhaps you could explain what you actually meant and why. I'm guessing you can't or won't.
 
A.A. Alfie said:
Nice priorities mate. A purely ideological, unwanted and bad tax is "much more important" than children being smashed to death on rocks.
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Emotive language, that's all you've got. But then you support a guy who wants to bring back temporary protection visas, a policy that claimed more lives than Labor's policies have so far and if re-introduced would probably kill more people.
 
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