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Is Circumcision Right or Wrong?

pgwenthold said:
Exactly when will this happen?

Most of the time when kids are likely to be doing this, they will be too young to be showering together in the boys locker room.
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Sloinker, above, gives a more creditable example than I could and apparently it wasn't any big deal. My point was that societal norms (rightly or wrongly) sometimes matter when kids are being mean. Developmentally "being mean" is probably a different phase than "showering together," though Stephen King got a lot of mileage out of combining them.
 
Wrong. I mean, it's just wrong. It's a damn shame how many men are circumcised. :(
 
AvalonXQ said:
Two, actually.
The brassiere industry to make breasts appear larger.
The cosmetic surgery industry to make them actually larger.
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Add to the above:
  • The Makeup industry
  • The Nail extensions industry
  • The Hare Coloring Industry
  • The Artificial Eye Color Lenses Industry
  • The Collagen Injection Industry
  • The Diet pills and other paraphernalia Industry
  • The Augmentation industry
  • The Reduction Industry
  • The Changing Industry
  • The entire damned FOOL MEN and change who you are INDUSTRY
 
We had a very good lecture by a paediatric surgeon yesterday - and circumcision was one of the topics. His view was that except in very rare cases, this is never justified on medical grounds. He also showed us a reply by a previous professor of paediatric medicine in Newcastle, where I practice. This can be found here - http://www.cirp.org/library/general/spence1/
I wish I wrote letters like that!
 
Aftering reading a different thread on JREF about circumcision, my wife and I decided to not have our son circumcised. At 5 months old it doesn't seem like he is any dirtier becuase of it. If he wants to have it cut off when he is 18 he can go and do it.
 
Leumas said:
Add to the above:
  • The Makeup industry
  • The Nail extensions industry
  • The Hare Coloring Industry
  • The Artificial Eye Color Lenses Industry
  • The Collagen Injection Industry
  • The Diet pills and other paraphernalia Industry
  • The Augmentation industry
  • The Reduction Industry
  • The Changing Industry
  • The entire damned FOOL MEN and change who you are INDUSTRY
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All are unrelated to slingblade's post, which was not about men.
 
Leumas said:
Add to the above:
  • The Makeup industry
  • The Nail extensions industry
  • The Hare Coloring Industry
  • The Artificial Eye Color Lenses Industry
  • The Collagen Injection Industry
  • The Diet pills and other paraphernalia Industry
  • The Augmentation industry
  • The Reduction Industry
  • The Changing Industry
  • The entire damned FOOL MEN and change who you are INDUSTRY
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I've always loved how women try to blame men for the crap they buy into. How about the "stop letting other people tell you what you ought to be, and grow a spine industry" that women love to ignore.
 
truethat said:
I've always loved how women try to blame men for the crap they buy into. How about the "stop letting other people tell you what you ought to be, and grow a spine industry" that women love to ignore.
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I don't think that is what Leumas was saying.

But you are right, woman are often (not always) harsher judges of each others' appearances than men are.
 
Peter@Beoworld said:
We had a very good lecture by a paediatric surgeon yesterday - and circumcision was one of the topics. His view was that except in very rare cases, this is never justified on medical grounds. He also showed us a reply by a previous professor of paediatric medicine in Newcastle, where I practice. This can be found here - http://www.cirp.org/library/general/spence1/
I wish I wrote letters like that!
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Brilliant!
 
LizardmanSpike said:
Aftering reading a different thread on JREF about circumcision, my wife and I decided to not have our son circumcised. At 5 months old it doesn't seem like he is any dirtier becuase of it. If he wants to have it cut off when he is 18 he can go and do it.
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We made the same choice. I couldn't think of any good reason to void the warranty on a brand new human.

My boys are now 9 and 11, and have never had any issues with it.
 
I'd like to point out that I've been in many public showers, both as a child and as an adult, and never had anyone point and laught at my genitals, or in fact take much note of them at all. It's something people fear might happen, but I don't believe it is something that DOES happen. I've got it filed next to 'chased by bigfoot' and 'bitten by vampires' with the rest of the childhood fears that turned out to be entirely imaginary.
 
I offered serious objections when my middle son and his wife were expecting boy/girl twins and son replied that they'd have the boy circumcised because they didn't want him be ridiculed in locker room showers....of course I was overruled, because "we as parents have the right to decide what's best for the child"....Haven't been on speaking terms with son&daughter-in-law ever since.
I agree with all of you above who have voiced their opinion that circumcision is WRONG, for whatever "reasons", especially when performed even though lots of literature exists that makes it clear that this procedure is UNNECESSARY in 99.99% of cases.
 
noch1Narr said:
of course I was overruled, because "we as parents have the right to decide what's best for the child"
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...even if we have to invent a reason to decide what is best.

Clearly, it was a case of decide first, find a reason later.
 
Peter@Beoworld said:
We had a very good lecture by a paediatric surgeon yesterday - and circumcision was one of the topics. His view was that except in very rare cases, this is never justified on medical grounds. He also showed us a reply by a previous professor of paediatric medicine in Newcastle, where I practice. This can be found here - http://www.cirp.org/library/general/spence1/
I wish I wrote letters like that!
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Peter was this in the UK? If so, that sentiment doesn't surprise me. Most physicians outside North America, particularly the US, would share that opinion.

LizardmanSpike said:
Aftering reading a different thread on JREF about circumcision, my wife and I decided to not have our son circumcised. At 5 months old it doesn't seem like he is any dirtier becuase of it. If he wants to have it cut off when he is 18 he can go and do it.
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ApolloGnomon said:
We made the same choice. I couldn't think of any good reason to void the warranty on a brand new human.

My boys are now 9 and 11, and have never had any issues with it.
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Congratulations to both of you it's always nice to hear when Americans have turned this down.

noch1Narr said:
I offered serious objections when my middle son and his wife were expecting boy/girl twins and son replied that they'd have the boy circumcised because they didn't want him be ridiculed in locker room showers....of course I was overruled, because "we as parents have the right to decide what's best for the child"....Haven't been on speaking terms with son&daughter-in-law ever since.
I agree with all of you above who have voiced their opinion that circumcision is WRONG, for whatever "reasons", especially when performed even though lots of literature exists that makes it clear that this procedure is UNNECESSARY in 99.99% of cases.
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At least you tried noch; it's a tradition that dies hard. Difficult to figure out why though.

pgwenthold said:
...even if we have to invent a reason to decide what is best.

Clearly, it was a case of decide first, find a reason later.
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It almost always is.
 
I'm just curious how you all would respond to the argument that "baby boys should look like their daddies."

I'm not sure what this means, but I've heard this argument by circd men for having their boys circd. Is there a concern that the child will think he's weird or different for having an intact penis when dad's is cut?

Also, I'm not aware of the AAP's stand on dads being naked around their kids. At what point do you not run around flashing your wieners at each other? :)
Is there a time frame after which it's not okay for son to see dad naked? Because if it seems like that time window is relatively short (like 3 years or so) then the kid couldn't really develop issues about how his body is that much different that dad's, can he?
 
I don't think a baby's penis would look like his dad's regardless. :p
 
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