Ed Perry's property named ******head

[johnny karate]

You think one compression in a quote makes it incomprehensible?

It does when it truncates the argument being criticized.

 

[mhaze]

Puerile responses devoid of content or any attempt at a rebuttal are something I've grown used to from you.

But when you're quoting my posts, please don't mangle them into incomprehensibility. It gives the appearance of deceitfulness and/or the inability to properly use the forum's rather simple quote function.

You go on ignore.

 

[mhaze]

It's pretty clear this is nothing more than vacuous posturing:

But still, I gave you the opportunity to explain:


And seeing as you didn't bother, I can now say with a high level of confidence: Your post consists of nothing more than vacuous posturing.

Too bad. It might have been interesting to discuss which aspects of the story do/don't qualify it as a smear.

I do in fact agree with you. On the OP of this thread which is nothing but vacuous posturing to effect a smear, I have met it with nothing but similar vacuous posturing.

 

[JudeBrando]

History disagrees with you. The only people for whom conservatives have consistently advocated "freedom and liberty" are themselves and people who look and behave like them.

Why did conservatives go to war in Korea?

 

[JudeBrando]

I never claimed all member of the GOP are bigoted. But there's no denying that the GOP - or more accurately, Conservatives - by and large are anti-gay, i.e. bigots.

I never claimed all member of the Democratic Party are bigoted. But there's no denying that the Democratic Party - or more accurately, liberals - by and large are anti-Christian, i.e. bigots.


Why not?

 

[johnny karate]

You go on ignore.

That'll show me.

But I guess it's easier than responding substantively.

 

[mhaze]

Why did conservatives go to war in Korea?

Why did they fly the hump?

 

[varwoche]

I do in fact agree with you. On the OP of this thread which is nothing but vacuous posturing to effect a smear, I have met it with nothing but similar vacuous posturing.

You're unwilling to say what you mean and mean what you say, and unwilling to so much as attempt to explain yourself. That's just about the sorriest thing that can be said of a person on a skepical discussion forum, at least in my view. I enjoy an occasional game of whack-a-mole at the game arcade, but this is a stone cold bore. Let me know if you'd like to actually engage at some point.

 

[mhaze]

You're unwilling to say what you mean and mean what you say, and unwilling to so much as attempt to explain yourself. That's just about the sorriest thing that can be said of a person on a skepical discussion forum, at least in my view. I enjoy an occasional game of whack-a-mole at the game arcade, but this is a stone cold bore. Let me know if you'd like to actually engage at some point.

The difference probably stems from my viewing this entire issue as an exercise in propaganda, as a classical and cookbook implementation of building a big propagandic lie on some shards of half truths. For specific operational purposes.

As such the "discussion of the facts" is actually related not to the goals at all, and there is nothing to refute or debate, except the method of implementation of the propaganda.

Thus as you frame the issue, "to engage" would be to accept the truth of the propaganda lies. Then you have a discussion, yes.

Without meaning, but with purpose.

 

[MaGZ]

You bring up the noted racist Jack London's use of a word to defend it from charges of racism???? As a writer, I like his work, but Jack London was a despicable person.

Daredelvis

Jack London a despicable person? I once read where London was referred to as a proto-National Socialist.

 

[MaGZ]

I can just imagine mhaze's comments if a story broke that Obama had hunted on a ranch called 'Killcracker'.

...or sat in a congregation of a Black racist church for twenty years.

 

[MaGZ]

Did you hear the latest? supposedly, Perry often served his hunting guests Brazil nuts.

I have always heard there was another name for Brazil nuts along with the wild flower Black-eyed Susan.

 

[MaGZ]

There's a road just outside of Austin called Coon Neck. I've always wondered about the possibly racist origins of the name.

Start a list and take it to you city council. Then start a Truth and Reconciliation Commission.

 

[MaGZ]

Has anyone here made the argument that Perry is a racist? I haven't.

It's about racial insensitivity, and about possible lies to cover-up same. (My confidence that he's lying was diminished by your excellent prior post though.)

But with Perry drip-drip-dripping so much fodder on other fronts, it's hard to imagine the story having legs. More damning facts would have to emerge and he would have to win the nomination for it matter, imo.

Well fine, except that was outright fraud whereas I've seen no reason to think of the Post story in that light -- in fact Perry confirms many aspects. And I don't buy that the media sits on stories for maximum gotcha, except as an aberration. Certainly political opponents do this.

"Racial insensitivity is about political correctness."

You can take this statement and carve it on a rock.

 

[MaGZ]

Robert Byrd was a racist. You think anyone is going to defend him?

Just because one side has idiots, doesn't make an idiot on the other side any less of an idiot.

Byrd wasn’t any different from most other southern Democrats from the 20s, 30s, or 40s. He is unique only because of his know Klan membership.

 

[MaGZ]

No.

But I think people ought to think twice about criticizing for racial insensitivity Perry - who left the party of Byrd, at the time he was rising to prominence (in the 1980s)., requested a racially charged term to be painted over, and so forth.

Throughout the 1980s, Byrd was either the Senate majority or minority leader.

These actions by Perry show the opposite of the motives that the smear attempt indicates.

Simply stated: Perry left the party of the KKK.

Perry was part of the White Flight from the Democrats to the Republicans. This happened throughout the South.

 

[MaGZ]

No, the evidence does not support that assertion.

The KKK, which used to persecute and intimidate Republicans, died off when it become politically unpopular.

When it was politically popular...you know, like when Truman was a member, or Woodrow Wilson was a member?

Back then?

It was Republicans who stood solidly for civil rights and integration. It's a rather sordid and disgusting relationship, that between the Democratic Party and the KKK. Between 1933 and through the 1960s, Republicans favored civil rights in 96% of the votes, and Democrates opposed them in 80% of the votes. Democratic Senators filibustered the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Including: Byrd, Fulbright, Al Gore Sr, Sam Ervin, and Richard Russel.

So Perry left this motley crew, and joined the Republicans - the group whose spokeman said in 1964, in the debate for the Civil Rights Act:


The time has come for equality of opportunity in sharing in government, in education, and in employment. It will not be stayed or denied. It is here.

It would be interesting to research Perry’s family tree. I bet you will find some Klansmen in the woodpile.

 

[leftysergeant]

Jack London a despicable person? I once read where London was referred to as a proto-National Socialist.

Which, if true, makes him pond scum.

 

[MaGZ]

He didn't leave the party that 100% wanted the KKK organizer and recruiter, Byrd, to be the Majority Leader of the Senate?

Hint.

Yes, he did leave that party during those exact same years.

And historically, is the Democratic party closely associated with racism?

Yes, it is. Check out Woodrow Wilson.

And is it during the term of KKK organizer Robert Bird that the issue of the rock with N---head arose?

Sure 'nuff is.

And what did Perry do?

He left the party that had this convenient, under the table terrorist arm - the KKK - and joined the party that fought for all the major civil rights legislation. And note many, many members of the Republican party were victims of vicious and brutal attacks by the KKK. The KKK, historically no more or less than the terrorist arm of the Democratic party.

He left a party with a long, long history of racism, and painted over the rock, and he joined Republican Party.

The Republican Party, the “White Man’s Party”.

When you tune into the Republican convention next year remember the words of Nancy Reagan, "It's wonderful to see all these beautiful white faces."

 

[varwoche]

The WA Post ombudsman wrote an editorial defending the article, suggesting that The Post has taken flack:

If the seven sources The Post relied on for this article are truthful, then Perry is lying or is badly misinformed about when the rock was painted.
...
The article does not declare Perry a racist or present the Texans interviewed as ignorant rubes. McCrummen was originally assigned to write a profile of Paint Creek, Perry’s home town. She learned of the name of the camp and the rock only after spending considerable time there. In one long interview with a local, the hunting camp and its name came up.
...
I wish more of the seven people upon whom The Post relied were named; only one is ... Perry’s family still lives there, and he is still the governor; you can see why people might not want to put their names to those recollections. Post editors say they have the names and backgrounds of the sources, and they judge them to be credible.

If true, not only is it not a smear in my view. It would have been derelict not to report.