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Revamping USA elections

b33fj3rky

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It's obvious that, in America at this point, the rich and the corporations and their finances are what really matter to American politicians:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpoli...sperate-by-conservatives-sensible-by-liberals

Republicans don't want to raise taxes on millionaires--and even Democrats, many Democrats, are afraid of raising taxes on the wealthy (not necessarily millionaires, but the upper middle-class) because raising taxes on the well-off would garner their ire. The wealthy, the well-off, the investors and corporations make campaign contributions. Those contributions are very, very important to re-election--whether you're a Democrat or a Republican politician, you don't want to anger the folks writing the big checks, right?

I say, let's acknowledge that fully--let's just go ahead and do away with this pretense of vote-based democracy.

Let's quit pretending like money *isn't* the most important aspect of American elections.

My suggestion: do away with voting altogether. Just get rid of it. Instead, have the major-party candidates (and obscure-party guys too, if they think it's worth a shot) raise funds like they always do. During the election season, they all raise as much cash as possible. There will be no limits to the amount any person or corporation can donate; let's turn it into a fiscal orgy.

Candidates are allowed to spend as much as they please on TV ads, Internet sites, signs, etc.

Then, on election day--instead of counting up votes--we count up which candidate has the most cash left, minus advertising etc. expenses.

The candidate who has the most cash wins. Period. The end.

The upside of it? After the election, the winner AND the losers are required to donate their left-over money to charity.

Let's replace vote-based democracy with simple, direct, cash-based democracy.
 
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Has your vote ever been affected by a political ad?
I doubt you would get more then a handful to say it would. Not many more would admit that they buy products or services based on an ad, even if there is no science or facts to support the claims in the ad. Nope, never gonna happen.

Funny about that, I guess the nearly 1/2 trillion spent last year on advertising was just a waste of money. Those wacky capitalists, not smart enough to know us wise consumers won't succumb to their ads. Same with politicians, to stupid to realize how savvy voters would never be influenced by ads.
 
It's obvious that, in America at this point, the rich and the corporations and their finances are what really matter to American politicians:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpoli...sperate-by-conservatives-sensible-by-liberals

Republicans don't want to raise taxes on millionaires--and even Democrats, many Democrats, are afraid of raising taxes on the wealthy (not necessarily millionaires, but the upper middle-class) because raising taxes on the well-off would garner their ire. The wealthy, the well-off, the investors and corporations make campaign contributions. Those contributions are very, very important to re-election--whether you're a Democrat or a Republican politician, you don't want to anger the folks writing the big checks, right?

I say, let's acknowledge that fully--let's just go ahead and do away with this pretense of vote-based democracy.

Let's quit pretending like money *isn't* the most important aspect of American elections.

My suggestion: do away with voting altogether. Just get rid of it. Instead, have the major-party candidates (and obscure-party guys too, if they think it's worth a shot) raise funds like they always do. During the election season, they all raise as much cash as possible. There will be no limits to the amount any person or corporation can donate; let's turn it into a fiscal orgy.

Candidates are allowed to spend as much as they please on TV ads, Internet sites, signs, etc.

Then, on election day--instead of counting up votes--we count up which candidate has the most cash left, minus advertising etc. expenses.

The candidate who has the most cash wins. Period. The end.

The upside of it? After the election, the winner AND the losers are required to donate their left-over money to charity.

Let's replace vote-based democracy with simple, direct, cash-based democracy.
Were you alive in 1933?

You'd have been popular with that, then.
 
I doubt you would get more then a handful to say it would. Not many more would admit that they buy products or services based on an ad, even if there is no science or facts to support the claims in the ad. Nope, never gonna happen.

Funny about that, I guess the nearly 1/2 trillion spent last year on advertising was just a waste of money. Those wacky capitalists, not smart enough to know us wise consumers won't succumb to their ads. Same with politicians, to stupid to realize how savvy voters would never be influenced by ads.

I tend to vote for obscure, third-party candidates--the kind who don't have the budget for TV ads. So the only thing TV ads does for me is, remind me why I avoid both Republicans and Democrats.
 
It's obvious that, in America at this point, the rich and the corporations and their finances are what really matter to American politicians:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpoli...sperate-by-conservatives-sensible-by-liberals

Republicans don't want to raise taxes on millionaires--and even Democrats, many Democrats, are afraid of raising taxes on the wealthy (not necessarily millionaires, but the upper middle-class) because raising taxes on the well-off would garner their ire. The wealthy, the well-off, the investors and corporations make campaign contributions. Those contributions are very, very important to re-election--whether you're a Democrat or a Republican politician, you don't want to anger the folks writing the big checks, right?

I say, let's acknowledge that fully--let's just go ahead and do away with this pretense of vote-based democracy.

Let's quit pretending like money *isn't* the most important aspect of American elections.

My suggestion: do away with voting altogether. Just get rid of it. Instead, have the major-party candidates (and obscure-party guys too, if they think it's worth a shot) raise funds like they always do. During the election season, they all raise as much cash as possible. There will be no limits to the amount any person or corporation can donate; let's turn it into a fiscal orgy.

Candidates are allowed to spend as much as they please on TV ads, Internet sites, signs, etc.

Then, on election day--instead of counting up votes--we count up which candidate has the most cash left, minus advertising etc. expenses.

The candidate who has the most cash wins. Period. The end.

The upside of it? After the election, the winner AND the losers are required to donate their left-over money to charity.

Let's replace vote-based democracy with simple, direct, cash-based democracy.

Like most simple ideas for complex problems, your idea has at least one very, and very obvious, simple flaw.

Let us suppose that a canididate raises $ 120,000,000 (which is about one dollar per voter).

And let us supposed that this canididate is very frugal on his campaign expenses and that by the time that Election Day rolls around, he has $ 100,000,000 on hand.

Therefore, if I were that canididate, then I would approach a bank and borrow $ 100,000,000,000 but just for 24 hours and at the end of the 24 hours, the entire amount would be repaid plus the $ 100,000,000 that the canididate had on hand.

In other words, the bank would get one hundred million dollars in interest for a one day loan of one hundred billion dollars.

I am sure that there are quite a few bankers that would love an arrangement like this and if the canididate had such a large sum on Election Day, then that should be more than enough to squash all of the competetion.

Now then, with that said, here is my question to you:

Are you really sure that your plan is a good plan?
 
How about randomly selecting representatives from the general population? Or from a prescreened pool of candidates passing some educational requirements?
 
I am assuming B33fJ3rky is kidding.

Whoever can raise the most gets elected unless I am misreading it.

BTW I love beef jerky. Hard on my teeth though.
 
Let's just have one last election and pick an absolute monarch. Then we won't have to fuss about it again until the line runs out of descendents.
 
How about randomly selecting representatives from the general population? Or from a prescreened pool of candidates passing some educational requirements?

Such as no higher education. Only high school graduates.
 
So what you mean is: "Yes, because I don't vote for the kinds of people that have enough money to make TV ads."

Exactly! So let's end the pretense of allowing these third, fourth, even fifth-party candidates on the ballot, and let's just admit that the big-money guys are the only ones who matter, and let's do that by making the whole thing directly based on fundraising.
 
Exactly! So let's end the pretense of allowing these third, fourth, even fifth-party candidates on the ballot, and let's just admit that the big-money guys are the only ones who matter, and let's do that by making the whole thing directly based on fundraising.

Aren't we already there?
 

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