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Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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LondonJohn said:
Care to point out any of this "vilification" of the Kerchers?

And "gotten"? I thought you were Australian?
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I have taken no sides in this long running saga on here and think given the paucity of evidence that the acquittal was the correct decision. However, this thread made me uncomfortable. It is not a nice place. If you think the post I highlighted is acceptable then we have different compasses. I will leave you guys to it.
 
LondonJohn said:
I found it sad to listen to the Kerchers speaking this morning. Personally, I'd have preferred it if they'd not held a press conference, and just returned to the UK to try to figure things out. It's upsetting to see that they still clearly believe that Knox and Sollecito truly did participate in Meredith's murder.

Perhaps the moment when Maresca submits his huge invoice (and they no longer have any civil judgement against Knox or Sollecito from which to pay his fees), the Kercher family might start to give some measured consideration of the role that Maresca has played in this whole sorry mess. And that in turn might be the catalyst for them to have the clarity of thought to realise the truth behind Meredith's murder. I certainly hope that is the case.
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Hmmm ... Maybe after the Kerchers get a new lawyer they will sue Maresca for Malpractice and win a judgement equal to or greater than the amount they owe Maresca or perhaps Maresca will read the tea leaves and settle out oof court and agree to tear up his invoice. For the Kerchers sake I hope however it comes about at least that last thought happens.
 
LondonJohn said:
He's freelanced for many papers (more often the Mirror), but quite clearly has close connections at the Mail. He has written pieces for the Mail in the run up to the acquittals. And I would have to agree with you that the Mail's stance on the acquittals very likely has some link to existing relationships with John Kercher. There appears to be little other way to explain the sheer perversity of the animosity expressed in today's opinion piece by Amanda Platell in that paper - provocatively and extraordinarily entitled "What is it about Amanda Knox that so chills the blood?"



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2045078/What-Amanda-Knox-chills-blood.html#ixzz1ZoQxJcNO

IIRC, the Mail's front-page headline in its first editions also struck a curious chord which implied that there was something suspect with the verdict. If John Kercher's influence and connections did indeed have anything to do with the Mail's reporting on the acquittals, then that would shock and surprise me, and would massively diminish any respect for John Kercher and his dignity/decency. He might have had nothing to do with it of course, but......
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John,

This sheer perversity of the animosity might explain another unusual circumstance, another "dot" to connect..........

Yesterday was unseasonably warm in Perugia, 85 degrees Fahrenheit. Reporters complained the courtroom was hot. To hear the verdict Amanda entered wearing a long, bulky, coat. She never took it off during the hearing. (Have you ever seen Amanda not remove her coat?) No one else was wearing a coat in the courtroom. Hmmm.

The video: HERE

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How much do the Knoxes need in contributions in order to make them whole again?This shouldn't be their burden only; the whole world contributed by being too quiet about justice gone amuck, at the very least.

And, of course, the idiots yelled the loudest in order to shut down the messengers of truth. But they will never contribute to the carnage they've helped cause.

Are we supposed to let D. Trump and the talk show hosts pay the expenses for the defense?
 
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Nogbad said:
I have taken no sides in this long running saga on here and think given the paucity of evidence that the acquittal was the correct decision. However, this thread made me uncomfortable. It is not a nice place. If you think the post I highlighted is acceptable then we have different compasses. I will leave you guys to it.
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I thought it was harsh. But it certainly did not amount to vilification.

In what way did this thread make you "uncomfortable"? Did it make you more "uncomfortable", for example, than a thread that refutes (usually extremely robustly) the ludicrous claims made by 9/11 conspiracy theorists? Or do you find such threads "comfortable" because in that instance you happen to know the truth - that the US government had no part in 9/11, and that it was planned and executed by a small self-contained gang of Islamist fanatics (probably with finance, and possibly with other assistance, from certain Middle East nation states)? Might that have made you overlook or excuse the assertiveness (and often downright rudeness) with which the conspiracy theorists are dispatched in those 9/11 threads?

Conversely, did you find this thread "uncomfortable" because you weren't well-enough informed to understand that the pro-acquittal arguers were correct in essentially the same way as the anti-conspiracy arguers on 9/11 threads are correct?
 
lionking said:
And it surely is. I've gotten a bit desensitized to vilification of the Kerchers on this thread, but you are quite right to point it out.
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Hi, lionking!

Now, when the court decided they didn't commit the crimes, is your current position that there was a vast conspiracy of cops prosecutors and forensic technicians to frame them?
 
icerat said:
Just read on twitter that Kercher's father works for the Daily Mail, which would explain their exclusive interview this morning. Is this true?
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IIRC he is a stringer (free lance journalist) who sells some of his output to that rag. He is also said to have many contacts in the UK print media from his long career in journalism.
 
LondonJohn said:
I thought it was harsh. But it certainly did not amount to vilification.

In what way did this thread make you "uncomfortable"? Did it make you more "uncomfortable", for example, than a thread that refutes (usually extremely robustly) the ludicrous claims made by 9/11 conspiracy theorists? Or do you find such threads "comfortable" because in that instance you happen to know the truth - that the US government had no part in 9/11, and that it was planned and executed by a small self-contained gang of Islamist fanatics (probably with finance, and possibly with other assistance, from certain Middle East nation states)? Might that have made you overlook or excuse the assertiveness (and often downright rudeness) with which the conspiracy theorists are dispatched in those 9/11 threads?

Conversely, did you find this thread "uncomfortable" because you weren't well-enough informed to understand that the pro-acquittal arguers were correct in essentially the same way as the anti-conspiracy arguers on 9/11 threads are correct?
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I rarely visit the 9/11 threads because the conspiracy proponents tend to display a casual disregard for the sensitivities of the victims which I also find uncomfortable. I blundered in here happily because I consider the acquittal correct, I didn't expect to find the same insensitivity. My mistake. :(

However, although disappointed with the tone on this thread it does not alter my view on the acquittal.
 
Here's something I missed from the Kercher press conference today. According to a report in the Guardian,
The press conference also revealed that the family's chief legal representative, Francesco Maresca, had stopped Sollecito's father from talking to the Kerchers after the verdict.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/04/amanda-knox-prosecutor-vows-appeal?newsfeed=true


So apparently (if this report is accurate) Sollecito's father (who was seated very close to the Kerchers in the courtroom) wanted to say some words with the Kerchers - words which would have been conciliatory and commiserating, judging from his words on the courthouse steps afterwards. But Maresca physically stopped him from doing so. Why am I not surprised?
 
Nogbad said:
I rarely visit the 9/11 threads because the conspiracy proponents tend to display a casual disregard for the sensitivities of the victims which I also find uncomfortable. I blundered in here happily because I consider the acquittal correct, I didn't expect to find the same insensitivity. My mistake. :(

However, although disappointed with the tone on this thread it does not alter my view on the acquittal.
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But seriously, what "insensitivity" are you seeing being displayed here? Can you point to examples? And can you also point to any pro-acquittal or pro-innocence arguers here doing any kind of victory wardance?

The vast majority of us who have spent months or years arguing here for acquittal - usually in the face of derision and scorn both outside and within this forum - have nothing more than a quiet satisfaction that the correct verdict was reached, and an underlying sadness that all of this was even necessary. We all, without exception (to my knowledge) feel deep sadness and sympathy for the Kercher family. But it is relevant and appropriate to try to address why they hold the beliefs they apparently do hold over the identity of the participants in Meredith's murder.
 
bolint said:
Did Amanda and Raffaele hug each other in joy after the verdict?
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Err no. Knox was spirited out of the courtroom at great speed by about four court officers within seconds of the acquittals being announced, and Sollecito was similarly led away some 30 seconds after that. Why do you ask?
 
LondonJohn said:
Err no. Knox was spirited out of the courtroom at great speed by about four court officers within seconds of the acquittals being announced, and Sollecito was similarly led away some 30 seconds after that. Why do you ask?
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Would not you have expected them to hug each other?

Sincerely. :)
 
Ominous rumblings from Yummi:

"political interference" is an incorrect expression for this kind of things in Italy. This kind of phenomenon (the acquittals) do not belong to the scope of democratic/legal politics. I cannot go further into my analysis because it's too early.
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The man is now veering off into nothing short of lunacy. Remind me who the "conspiracy theorists" in this debate were, again.......?
 
bolint said:
Would not you have expected them to hug each other?

Sincerely. :)
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I don't understand the point you're trying to make. They were physically prevented from getting within yards of each other inside the courtroom. Whether they were allowed to meet up in the court building before they were transported back to their respective prisons, neither you nor I know. One of them might talk about that at some point.

They both spoke warmly and passionately about each other at all times during the trials process. I don't suppose you're trying to insinuate that there is some sort of animosity between them, are you?
 
"They both spoke warmly and passionately about each other at all times during the trials process"

Yes, during thre trial.
And they supported each other famously warmly after the discovery of the murder.

But now not even a litlle unca-nunca?
 
LondonJohn said:
But seriously, what "insensitivity" are you seeing being displayed here? Can you point to examples? And can you also point to any pro-acquittal or pro-innocence arguers here doing any kind of victory wardance?

The vast majority of us who have spent months or years arguing here for acquittal - usually in the face of derision and scorn both outside and within this forum - have nothing more than a quiet satisfaction that the correct verdict was reached, and an underlying sadness that all of this was even necessary. We all, without exception (to my knowledge) feel deep sadness and sympathy for the Kercher family. But it is relevant and appropriate to try to address why they hold the beliefs they apparently do hold over the identity of the participants in Meredith's murder.
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Apparently they've landed in Heathrow England.

This was not a victory so much as the prevention of a tragic defeat. People are too nationalistic and prone to believe what they've been told. They fight for the rightness of government with tenacity. Guess it isn't a new phenomenon. At the time our revolution started many Americans gave our own revolutionaries a tough time.
 
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