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[Robert Prey]

Robert, who do you think should have done the investigation? Why would you accept their results?

An independent prosecutor and a Grand Jury indictment would be better. But no, what has already been laid out is sufficient for me to declare these guys Guilty.

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=11970
The Climategate Whitewash Continues

by Patrick J. Michaels

This article appeared in The Wall Street Journal on July 12, 2010.


"It's impossible to find anything wrong if you really aren't looking. In a famous email of May 29, 2008, Phil Jones, director of East Anglia's CRU, wrote to Mr. Mann, under the subject line "IPCC & FOI," "Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith [Briffa] re AR4 [the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report]? Keith will do likewise . . . can you also email Gene [Wahl, an employee of the U.S. Department of Commerce] to do the same . . . We will be getting Caspar [Amman, of the U.S. National Center for Atmospheric Research] to do likewise."

Mr. Jones emailed later that he had "deleted loads of emails" so that anyone who might bring a Freedom of Information Act request would get very little. According to New Scientist writer Fred Pearce, "Russell and his team never asked Jones or his colleagues whether they had actually done this."
...

"Then there's the problem of interference with peer review in the scientific literature. Here too Mr. Russell could find no wrong: "On the allegations that there was subversion of the peer review or editorial process, we find no evidence to substantiate this."

Really? Mr. Mann claims that temperatures roughly 800 years ago, in what has been referred to as the Medieval Warm Period, were not as warm as those measured recently. This is important because if modern temperatures are not unusual, it casts doubt on the fear that global warming is a serious threat. In 2003, Willie Soon of the Smithsonian Institution and Sallie Baliunas of Harvard published a paper in the journal Climate Research that took exception to Mr. Mann's work, work which also was at variance with a large number of independent studies of paleoclimate. So it would seem the Soon-Baliunas paper was just part of the normal to-and-fro of science.

But Mr. Jones wrote Mr. Mann on March 11, 2003, that "I'll be emailing the journal to tell them I'm having nothing more to do with it until they rid themselves of this troublesome editor," Chris de Freitas of the University of Auckland. Mr. Mann responded to Mr. Jones on the same day: "I think we should stop considering 'Climate Research' as a legitimate peer-reviewed journal. Perhaps we should encourage our colleagues . . . to no longer submit to, or cite papers in, this journal. We would also need to consider what we tell or request our more reasonable colleagues who currently sit on the editorial board."

Mr. Mann ultimately wrote to Mr. Jones on July 11, 2003, that "I think the community should . . . terminate its involvement with this journal at all levels . . . and leave it to wither away into oblivion and disrepute."

Climate Research and several other journals have stopped accepting anything that substantially challenges the received wisdom on global warming perpetuated by the CRU. I have had four perfectly good manuscripts rejected out of hand since the CRU shenanigans, and I'm hardly the only one. Roy Spencer of the University of Alabama, Huntsville, has noted that it's becoming nearly impossible to publish anything on global warming that's nonalarmist in peer-reviewed journals."

 

[SezMe]

Uh,uh, uh. That's a fib. His argument concerned second hand smoking -- a subject still very much debated.

Well done, Robert Prey. You've packed two fibs into a one-line post.

Regarding your assertion of a fib: Go to this page of the Legacy Tobacco Documents Library and you will see that Milloy testified at a Manhattan Institute Seminar regarding ETS, which, as I am sure you know, is an acronym for Environment Tobacco Smoke. That document alone proves you wrong.

I await with bated breath your admission of error.

BTW, the LTDL came about because of the litigation associated with the ETS issue. It is an absolutely great archive so be careful about posting any more fibs about this issue because the truth is there.

Secondly, the linkage between second hand smoke and lung cancer is no longer the subject of debate. It was conclusively demonstrated by a study in Japan that even the tobacco industry finally admitted was irrefutable.

 

[Dancing David]

Its not almost I'am so what your a big boy aren't you.

The bible says it is

And who wrote the bible?

Do you wear mixed fibers?
Do you eat shellfish or pork?
Do you make your wife or girlfriends live in a shack during here menses?
Do you throw away the furniture she sat on during her menses?
Do you ever cook meat in milk?

 

[Dancing David]

What is with you libs, can't I like gays and not agree with their lifestyle

I asked you specifically how they were shoving their depravity in your face.

Your quote "I care, cause they are always throwing their depravity in my face."

Seriously you said it and I asked.

Now you seem to be unable to explain what you mean, do you know what you meant when you said it?

Sorta of yes sorta no you sound like the IPCC

So you sort of read it, that is great. have you looked at the more recent data and evidence?

I don't believe in a fragile Earth. I believe it absorbs anything we do.

Ah yes, but a five degree F (average) increase in temps without a greater amount of rainfall in Illinois during the summer, would um, shall we say it carefully:
lead to a disastrous decrease in crop yields.

There is not enough ground water to irrigate, nor the infrastructure to move that volume of water. The strange things is that the models show that possibly the summer temps would increase, while the winter temps would drop about a degree, on average.

I am not worried, I am concerned for the consequences for humans if the trend of rising temperatures continues.

It would be very difficult to continue with our current agricultural practices. The ecosystem in general will continue to adapt, however the consequences for human habitation and comfort might be strained.

We will find out soon I believe though. I will admit if I'm wrong will you?

maybe you should read around the forum, get to know the place and posters.

My history of admitting errors is there.

And no we will not know soon, we (not me) will know in fifty years or so , so I would be 102 (unlikely), my daughter will be 76, my son 66, my nephew 61, my nieces 55 and 54.

 

[Dancing David]

That is old Testament law. When you believe in Christ you under grace. So go ahead and eat all that good stuff. Until the libs ban it

Um so why one set of OT laws and not the others?

 

[bikerdruid]

what bearing can a bunch of writings from bronze age desert dwelling sheep herders have on modern mores?
seriously, they are valuable because of their influence on western thought, culture and art,
but the bible also says that wearing mixed fabrics is an abomination, or eating a cheeseburger, or lobster is an abomination.
what possible relevance is that to life today?
heck...i like cheeseburgers, and often wear wool with cotton.
do you believe that is wrong?

no discussion of these other facts, logger?
just an admonition to read the bible 'with an open mind'?
queers are bad, but mixed fabrics are ok?
jesus never condemned queers...and paul hated women too, so what's up?

 

[Robert Prey]

Stop Fibbing

Well done, Robert Prey. You've packed two fibs into a one-line post.

Regarding your assertion of a fib: Go to this page of the Legacy Tobacco Documents Library and you will see that Milloy testified at a Manhattan Institute Seminar regarding ETS, which, as I am sure you know, is an acronym for Environment Tobacco Smoke. That document alone proves you wrong.

I await with bated breath your admission of error.

BTW, the LTDL came about because of the litigation associated with the ETS issue. It is an absolutely great archive so be careful about posting any more fibs about this issue because the truth is there.

Secondly, the linkage between second hand smoke and lung cancer is no longer the subject of debate. It was conclusively demonstrated by a study in Japan that even the tobacco industry finally admitted was irrefutable.

Your original post charged Milloy with denying the link between smoking and lung cancer. You did not say second hand or environmental smoking -- a very different thing. So now, you point to a totally irrelevant page that has something to do with environmental smoking. Defend your original Fib or Stop fibbing.

 

[Travis]

An independent prosecutor and a Grand Jury indictment would be better. But no, what has already been laid out is sufficient for me to declare these guys Guilty.

Right, because you want them guilty they are guilty. And you want them guilty because you don't want to admit that environmentalists could ever be right about something. Do you also lock yourself in rooms with carbon monoxide sources too? You know, just to stick it to them.

 

[Robert Prey]

Right, because you want them guilty they are guilty. And you want them guilty because you don't want to admit that environmentalists could ever be right about something. Do you also lock yourself in rooms with carbon monoxide sources too? You know, just to stick it to them.

The real motives of the Environmental Extremists (excluding those who simply hate America) is rooted in 19th Century Share the Wealth Marxism. And you too exhale Co2 every single day. Perhaps if we just kill all the people, there will be a better planet. I think some extremists would go for that as well.

 

[Multivac]

The bible says it is

Are you seriously using the bible as a moral guide? A book written ~1500 years ago by goat shaggers herders.

Have you read the story of Lot, Genesis 19:30-36? Where Lot is plied with alcohol and raped by his daughters? This is your moral guide?

 

[uk_dave]

Are you seriously using the bible as a moral guide? A book written ~1500 years ago by goat shaggers herders.

Have you read the story of Lot, Genesis 19:30-36? Where Lot is plied with alcohol and raped by his daughters? This is your moral guide?

I'm waiting for the film version.

 

[Travis]

The real motives of the Environmental Extremists (excluding those who simply hate America) is rooted in 19th Century Share the Wealth Marxism. And you too exhale Co2 every single day. Perhaps if we just kill all the people, there will be a better planet. I think some extremists would go for that as well.

Killing people to stop respiration wouldn't help. It's the CO2 being brought out of storage reservoirs that is the problem. And simply being scared of what are a very tiny, tiny group of extremists is no excuse for ignoring well established science.

Do you not believe that CO2 is a greenhouse gas?

 

[Travis]

Oh and could someone please explain how global warming advances the cause of 19th Century Share the Wealth Marxism?

 

[Robert Prey]

Oh and could someone please explain how global warming advances the cause of 19th Century Share the Wealth Marxism?

The idea is to take from the makers, and give to the takers under color of "law", cap and trade, climate treaties, etc. and especially to the middle men who diivvy up the spoils,

 

[Dancing David]

The idea is to take from the makers, and give to the takers under color of "law", cap and trade, climate treaties, etc. and especially to the middle men who diivvy up the spoils,

Then why was cap and trade originally promoted by the alleged conservatives, the Republicans?

And as usual in these discussions, you are somehow not discussing the data or science of AGW but confusing it with political interventions.

When unable to actually engage in discussion I suppose you always change the subject. We also still have no evidence that there would be riots if Obama is not re-elected.

 

[Alferd_Packer]

Oh and could someone please explain how global warming advances the cause of 19th Century Share the Wealth Marxism?

Well, you know, there was a globe in 1890, and there was a fellow named Marx, and
he exhaled CO2 and there was this troll in 2011 . . .

 

[Travis]

The idea is to take from the makers, and give to the takers under color of "law", cap and trade, climate treaties, etc. and especially to the middle men who diivvy up the spoils,

What prevents "the makers" from being the ones to provide us with energy from other sources?

You see I look at global warming mitigation as a huge opportunity for capitalists to make loads of money by tackling the problem via new technologies and other innovations. You know, the stuff they are really good at.

 

[Robert Prey]

What prevents "the makers" from being the ones to provide us with energy from other sources?

You see I look at global warming mitigation as a huge opportunity for capitalists to make loads of money by tackling the problem via new technologies and other innovations. You know, the stuff they are really good at.

Of course. But such new technologies are not of any value unless viable without government handouts.

 

[Robert Prey]

What prevents "the makers" from being the ones to provide us with energy from other sources?

You see I look at global warming mitigation as a huge opportunity for capitalists to make loads of money by tackling the problem via new technologies and other innovations. You know, the stuff they are really good at.

They must make their "loads of money" from the market, not from government handouts or the new technology is a fraud.

 

[Travis]

They must make their "loads of money" from the market, not from government handouts or the new technology is a fraud.

I take it you think stealth technology is a fraud then?

And if we were to put hard limits on carbon emissions for power generation do you not think there would be a substantial market for their new technology?