Question to truthers

bill smith said:
What about whwn the fire gets to the third spot. Is the first spot still an inferno or have the available combustables been burned out leaving almost no fire. maybe just a little reidual smouldering ?
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Bill - Please read the NIST report. They explain the way office fires act.
 
making it clear that most scientists are not willing to sign- which says it all really.
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Yes, it says that normal educated people don't believe in truther BS.
 
Truthers need to be able to use the scientific method to its fullest extent. Then we'll talk.

All they depend on is a few shady pieces of "evidence" that can be interpreted in many different ways, like Harrit and Jones' "samples".

This is then covered either by Ad hoc ************ or hidden behind a handful of AE9/11 "engineers and architects".

That's not using science!
 
bill smith said:
Are you agreeing with NIST that the fire moved steadily on continuously after the available combustibles had been consumed ?
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Sure, fire tends to do that. I mean, it's not like it could continue to burn when there was no fuel available. It would be like a cow eating in he same spot for more than 1 hour. He'd start eating dirt eventually.


bill smith said:
NIST said 20 minutes in a given location
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No, I do not agree with NIST on that. Here's why.

It's an estimate for one.

I don't know what they cosidered "a given location". I don't know if it was a
10'x10' area, or an entire room. I don't know, and I don't recall it being specified.

Lastly, I believe they underestimated their fuel loading. Not that it matters, because even with the lower fuel loads, the building still falls.
 
triforcharity said:
Sure, fire tends to do that. I mean, it's not like it could continue to burn when there was no fuel available. It would be like a cow eating in he same spot for more than 1 hour. He'd start eating dirt eventually.




No, I do not agree with NIST on that. Here's why.

It's an estimate for one.

I don't know what they cosidered "a given location". I don't know if it was a
10'x10' area, or an entire room. I don't know, and I don't recall it being specified.

Lastly, I believe they underestimated their fuel loading. Not that it matters, because even with the lower fuel loads, the building still falls.
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You say that WTC7 was a raging inferno. True ? So how long until all or most of the combustibles had been used up roughly ?
 
Ron_Tomkins said:
(When attempting to answer this very straightforward question, try keeping it as concise and simple as possible)

What is so difficult about believing that a group of religious fanatics, who have a history of committing atrocious terrorist acts, committed an atrocious terrorist act?
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I don't want to bother reading seven pages to find this out; did any truther ever actually answer this question? I think it's a very legitimate one.
 
Sabrina said:
I don't want to bother reading seven pages to find this out; did any truther ever actually answer this question? I think it's a very legitimate one.
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Answered at post 11.

I will repost it for your enlightenment

It's not to difficult at all, in fact its precisely what I believe.

Except I tend to substitute the description religious fanatic with complete fruitloops - because a lot of these fanatics are members here and I want to use a term that will wind them up.
 
bill smith said:
You say that WTC7 was a raging inferno. True ?
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Yes

bill smith said:
So how long until all or most of the combustibles had been used up roughly ?
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Days. I mean, unless you want to specify a specific area, a specific set of variables that I must work within, but I could give you a rough estimate.

Please include an estimate of the cfm of ventilation I have to work with, and a specific fuel load also.
 
Stop it, you'll confuse him. Just use ballpark numbers he'll ignore anyway.
 
triforcharity said:
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Days. I mean, unless you want to specify a specific area, a specific set of variables that I must work within, but I could give you a rough estimate.

Please include an estimate of the cfm of ventilation I have to work with, and a specific fuel load also.
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Say the South Side. In a raging inferno from side to side and front to back would the fire rage continuously for six or seven hours unabated ? The fire load would be normal office furnishings.
 
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bill smith said:
Say the South Side. In a raging inferno from side to side and front to back would the fire rage continuously for six or seven hours unabated ? The fire load would be normal office furnishings.
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Why bother asking, when the answer will just be ignored?

Why are you here? You're not here to learn, not here to educate. What's the point? For once in your miserable life, be honest. We can hack it.
 
bill smith said:
Say the South Side. In a raging inferno from side to side and front to back would the fire rage continuously for six or seven hours unabated ? The fire load would be normal office furnishings.
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with 47 floors to burn......I'd guess days at least. And just because fire has passed a spot does not mean it will be appreciably cooler as fire gases may still exit past that spot or heat may be trapped by unbroken windows. Likewise area may be become very hot long before the fire reaches them for the same reasons.
In any case as the meridian fire showed just because the fire has passed does not mean it has not already caused the damage that weakens that area of the building. burn long enough and those weakened area increase until they exceed the safety factor of the building at one critical point.
 
sheeplesnshills said:
with 47 floors to burn......I'd guess days at least. And just because fire has passed a spot does not mean it will be appreciably cooler as fire gases may still exit past that spot or heat may be trapped by unbroken windows. Likewise area may be become very hot long before the fire reaches them for the same reasons.
In any case as the meridian fire showed just because the fire has passed does not mean it has not already caused the damage that weakens that area of the building. burn long enough and those weakened area increase until they exceed the safety factor of the building at one critical point.
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All 47 floors were burning at the same time. I have a lot of firefighter statements to that effect. 'All 47 floors fully involved in fire from ground to ceiling' is a fairly typical report. So they would all burn together and all die down together. Is that not so ?
 
bill smith said:
All 47 floors were burning at the same time. I have a lot of firefighter statements to that effect. 'All 47 floors fully involved in fire from ground to ceiling' is a fairly typical report. So they would all burn together and all die down together. Is that not so ?
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No. Different floors had different fuel loads. So, no.

You won't get an answer without any defined variables.

Sorry bill. But hey, maybe there was thermite in the glass too.........
 
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