Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

[Rolfe]

You were the others I had in mind.

But I don't really know the answer. The beatification of Meredith on that forum seems unhealthy to me. People here are accused of fancying Amanda. Well, no, not my type really. Too many X chromosomes for a start. But I don't really think that's true, of any of the posters who are seriously into this case.

On the other hand, what is going on at PMF-org seems perilously close to necrophilia.

Rolfe.

 

[smkovalinksy]

But I don't really know the answer. The beatification of Meredith on that forum seems unhealthy to me. People here are accused of fancying Amanda. Well, no, not my type really. Too many X chromosomes for a start. But I don't really think that's true, of any of the posters who are seriously into this case.

On the other hand, what is going on at PMF-org seems perilously close to necrophilia.

Rolfe.

I would agree. I am not a "Knox groupie" as they use the term, and the canonization of Meredith is something I believe she herself would not approve of; nor - as she must surely know the truth - would she want innocents sacrificed to her image. (what is wrong with Amanda's chromosones??

 

[js202]

Well clearly I am below average intelligence or maybe I just have a different perspective.

It’s interesting; I have no need to question yours or anyone else’s intelligence simply because you have a different perspective, or dear I say it; opinion. I’ll shuffle back to my cave now whilst my knuckles drag on the floor.

Now you're missing *my* point, which was that I did not believe you to be unintelligent. But that some force in you was causing you to willfully miss Rolfe's point. Which I still do believe.

 

[AmyStrange]

Yes. You said, let others answer this. So I'll let them....

Rolfe.

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If (big IF here) they gave Maresca permission to show eight foot tall photos of Meredith's naked and mutilated dead body to everyone in the courtroom, then yes they are just as sick as Maresca for allowing it.

I have always stuck up for and defended John Kercher for the many things he did and has done and said and wrote, because he lost his little baby in one of the most horrible and sadistic ways possible; but IF (again, big if) he gave Maresca permission to do that, No way can I defend him anymore. He needs to go into therapy and IF (big if again) his wife is the one who gave Maresca permission, then she needs to go into therapy also.

Personally, I don't think Maresca told them exactly what he was going to do. He deceived them once again. What a horribly sick ◊◊◊◊ thing to do.

All for money.

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh.

Dave

P.S. And I agree that he should pay their way to Italy for the reading of the verdict and yes they should also be allowed to speak on their daughter's behalf, but that is just my opinion.

 

[christianahannah]

Well clearly I am below average intelligence or maybe I just have a different perspective.

It’s interesting; I have no need to question yours or anyone else’s intelligence simply because you have a different perspective, or dear I say it; opinion. I’ll shuffle back to my cave now whilst my knuckles drag on the floor.

Don't shuffle away, you add nicely to the conversation.

You know, both sets of parents (and step-parents) love their daughters very much and each know their daughter better and differently than those who post about them on message boards.

 

[Rolfe]

Personally, I don't think Maresca told them exactly what he was going to do. He deceived them once again. What a horribly sick ◊◊◊◊ thing to do.

All for money.

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh.

I think Mignini is manipulating them now, too. They shouldn't be in any difficulty as regards air fares. That they would want to go over for the verdict must have been foreseen some time ago, and provisional arrangements made. If there were really money problems, well, Mignini has plenty.

He's just using them in this sick campaign to have both defendants convicted, this time by trying to represent to the jury that they'll become wealthy if they're acquitted. So the executive jet (true or not) is contrasted with a claimed inability to afford an air fare.

There are people on PMF who don't have much to spare, but they're going to scrape the barrel to help the Kerchers because of this story. I hope someone is ashamed of themselves.

Rolfe.

 

[smkovalinksy]

I think Mignini is manipulating them now, too. They shouldn't be in any difficulty as regards air fares. That they would want to go over for the verdict must have been foreseen some time ago, and provisional arrangements made. If there were really money problems, well, Mignini has plenty.

He's just using them in this sick campaign to have both defendants convicted, this time by trying to represent to the jury that they'll become wealthy if they're acquitted. So the executive jet (true or not) is contrasted with a claimed inability to afford an air fare.

There are people on PMF who don't have much to spare, but they're going to scrape the barrel to help the Kerchers because of this story. I hope someone is ashamed of themselves.

Rolfe.

of course he is not.

 

[Rolfe]

No, I suppose not....

 

[LivingonaPrayer]

But I don't really know the answer. The beatification of Meredith on that forum seems unhealthy to me. People here are accused of fancying Amanda. Well, no, not my type really. Too many X chromosomes for a start. But I don't really think that's true, of any of the posters who are seriously into this case.

On the other hand, what is going on at PMF-org seems perilously close to necrophilia.

Rolfe.

It is unhealthy and not based in reality

 

[AmyStrange]

I think Mignini is manipulating them now, too. They shouldn't be in any difficulty as regards air fares. That they would want to go over for the verdict must have been foreseen some time ago, and provisional arrangements made. If there were really money problems, well, Mignini has plenty.

He's just using them in this sick campaign to have both defendants convicted, this time by trying to represent to the jury that they'll become wealthy if they're acquitted. So the executive jet (true or not) is contrasted with a claimed inability to afford an air fare.

There are people on PMF who don't have much to spare, but they're going to scrape the barrel to help the Kerchers because of this story. I hope someone is ashamed of themselves.

Rolfe.

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Well if Mignini or Maresca are too cheap to help them, I'd be happy to throw a few bucks into the pot to help them out... if that's really what's going,

Dave

P.S. and I'm not ashamed to help them out in the least.

 

[LivingonaPrayer]

Do you believe that Amanda parents would rather swap places with the Kercher family, because the way you post you make Meredith and Amanda’s current (unfortunate) positions appear to be more or less the same?

If it were one of my daughters I would rather her be alive than a saint!

Rolfe's post was based in reality.

It appears there has been a misrepresentation of what Rolfe and others are stating

 

[Dougm]

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Well if Mignini or Maresca are too cheap to help them, I'd be happy to throw a few bucks into the pot to help them out... if that's really what's going,

Dave

P.S. and I'm not embarrassed about it in the least.

I think that almost everyone on this forum, IIP, and PMF would be willing to chip in to help, if that was the real story. I agree it is Mignini manipulating (i.e. lying) them to try to sway opinion against the defendants.

 

[lionking]

I agree it is Mignini manipulating (i.e. lying) them to try to sway opinion against the defendants.

Are you saying that only one side is trying to sway public opinion? I certainly hope not. The prosecution is doing it's job.

 

[AmyStrange]

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Actually, I think the reason so many of us focus more on Amanda is because Raffaele is not the one being so loosely and viciously and groundlessly called names like "double-souled witch," "Luciferina," "seductress," and etc. Poor Raffaele spends much of his time suspended in a vacuum amidst this despicable calumny. I'd also note that, though it might have benefited his case *years ago*, Raffaele has never joined in in these accusations of Amanda.

If nothing else, this case has revealed a profoundly backward misogyny in Italy, and even if I believed Amanda Knox guilty, I would be incredibly offended by this. It is an absurd diminution of Western Civilization as a whole in the 21st century, for God's sake.

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!!!WELL FREAKIN' SAID Js!!!

 

[AmyStrange]

Are you saying that only one side is trying to sway public opinion? I certainly hope not. The prosecution is doing it's job.

Lionking,

When all is said and done, ultimately, it's really just the journalist trying to sway opinion.

Even if it was the ILE that did the leaking or Marriott(???) handing out golden lollipops, journalist are the ones deciding which way to point the bias that you see in print or hear during talking points.

But as always, that's just my opinion,

Dave

 

[RandyN]

It could also backfire. The judges and jury might be willing to accept police incompetence and even overzealousness in this case, but making a need to accept outright corruption and fabricating of evidence a condition of acquittal might be "a bridge too far" for them.

Personally, I wonder if the prosecution was almost hoping that one of the defense attorneys would make such an accusation, and thus generate a backlash.

Sorry I’m still trying to catch up on this thread...but.

It was first suggested by the Independent Experts that the so called evidence on the knife and or bra clasp could be a result of tampering. I expect that ticked off the prosecution a bit...but when the shoe fits...or walks like a duck with luminol shoes...well...

Personally I think its about damn time the defense started calling a spade ...well...a spade. It seems what’s good for the goose is good for the ganderrrrr....ok enough corny clichés?

 

[Dougm]

Are you saying that only one side is trying to sway public opinion? I certainly hope not. The prosecution is doing it's job.

No. I believe that both sides are trying to sway public opinion. It's just that one side is using slander and unsubstantiated personal attacks, plus out and out falsehoods to do so.

If you have an example of one of those on the defense side, I am open to hearing about it.

 

[AmyStrange]

I think that almost everyone on this forum, IIP, and PMF would be willing to chip in to help, if that was the real story. I agree it is Mignini manipulating (i.e. lying) them to try to sway opinion against the defendants.

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I personally believe both sides want to help out the Kerchers and especially help them memorialize their daughter in some way.

This is a call to both sides to get together and put together some money for a general trust fund with the interest being used as a grant in Meredith's name.

Sorry if this doesn't make sense. I'm tired and I need sleep. Will probably see everyone here Monday.

A general shout out to not only the regular posters here, but especially to pilot, bolint, lionking, and yeti (and any of the others I have forgotten) for adding their flip-side ideas and comments to this thread.

We hope that you know that we really still do love you all and even though we may not agree, I personally am glad you do come over and share with us a different perspective on this case.

There is never anything wrong with that, in my opinion,

Dave

 

[Dougm]

Sorry I’m still trying to catch up on this thread...but.

It was first suggested by the Independent Experts that the so called evidence on the knife and or bra clasp could be a result of tampering. I expect that ticked off the prosecution a bit...but when the shoe fits...or walks like a duck with luminol shoes...well...

Personally I think its about damn time the defense started calling a spade ...well...a spade. It seems what’s good for the goose is good for the ganderrrrr....ok enough corny clichés?

I think the defense tried to play it nice the first time around, and got run over by the prosecution, who were willing to say anything to get a conviction. They are more open to laying it on the line this time. Still not as agressive as the prosecution side, but they have more real ammo to work with, so they shouldn't have to be.

 

[GreyFox]

Still not sure about the Jessica Rabbit bit. Does that make Mignini the Grinch? At least that's a seasonal cartoon thats on every year. All the same I agree the defense was better but it's not exactly fighting fire with fire. Guess we have to trust them though !