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I encourage everyone to do so and learn about some residents integrity. It's a bit creepy to have people search my posts for stuff they think is useful to dodge completely unrelated issues, but i'm used to it and if it rocks your boat, be welcome. Just don't expect to be taken seriously.

as opposed to CIT searching people quotes to accuse them of lying about or taking part in a mass murder? people in glass houses........Don't worry though, no one is taking you or CIT seriously.
 
This means design in the artistic (or architectural) sense; we don't just jump out of bed understanding how to interpret and understand the way people use and interact with buildings, never mind looking at say Corbusier or Mies or Lloyd Wright.


and even some of the most respected Architects like Lloyd Wright (almost the same fist name as Lloyde England....inside jobbity 911) are not very good at structures, one of his masterpieces "Falling Water" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallingwater
requires millions to be spent to save it from collapsing less than 60 year after it was built.......because he wouldn't listen to the engineers.....
 
But NIST does have basic reasoning skills, even when a high school teacher had to help them admitting the free fall moment:boggled:

Debunkers and logic....


Please show they cared less or even should have cared less about the freefall, list all assumptions made and show working.
Twoofers can't even understand when they are being humored.......NIST likely patted Chandler on the head and put it in to keep him happy....its likely they knew as I know that it simply not important, nothing more than a curiosity.
 
Please show they cared less or even should have cared less about the freefall, list all assumptions made and show working.
Twoofers can't even understand when they are being humored.......NIST likely patted Chandler on the head and put it in to keep him happy....its likely they knew as I know that it simply not important, nothing more than a curiosity.

Your logic is easily debunkable and betrays an attitude of wilful ignorance. 9/11 "debunkers" spent the first eight years of debate arguing that free fall never occurred. Then, when it was acknowledged that it had occurred, your argument became "that free fall occurred is insignificant". Not only is the latter not true and betrays an ignorance of physics that would drop jaws throughout the academic and engineering world, it's simply shocking that you either really don't understand why it's a problem, or you're willing to pretend that it's not (while not using your real names, I note.) In any case, you seem to miss the obvious question: if freefall of a building through itself in a supposed gravitational collapse (it's stupid that I even have to write this out) is "insignificant", why would you spend eight years arguing that it never occurred!?

Your logic fails on so many fronts, here.
 
Yes, I'm sure I said that. I'm sure your memory and comprehension of things I say is laser sharp. I think it was even in this thread where I said that, right? Why don't you find the post for us?
Ergo, are you denying that you scoffed at someone using information from the National Observatory and the sun's position in a video to determine the approximate time of day? Yes or no?

If 'yes', then what was your point in the post quoted below? Were you saying 911Myths was incorrect in their results?

Thanks, Tri. I just found this by doing a google search for 'Phone booth + wtc7 + JREF':

http://www.911myths.com/index.php?title=A_WTC7_explosion_video&redirect=no

"....Using the sun position calculator on the Naval Observatory website, we can tell when the sun was in that approximate position on 9/11/2001 in NYC: ..."

:D

Bedunker super google sleuthers! This is hilarious.

,,,,
"It's a car exploding."

"No, it's steel falling!"

"No, it's a water cooler exploding!"

"NO! It's a pumpkin dropping on the pavement! They're really loud, you know..."

Always remember: explosion sounds are never, ever explosives.... :eye-poppi ;)

I find it odd that you couldn't find the fourth post on the page. Also, the second highlighted portion is a straw man, as you have been informed time and time again. The standard debunker claim is not that explosions are never explosives, but that explosions are not always explosives, any more than any red stain on a shirt is necessarily ketchup.
 
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Again: who are the structural engineers supporting the official collapse theories? Names, please.
Look up the ASCE membership. They endorsed NIST's report. Several hundred thousand, I believe their membership is. But, of course, you're about to dismiss them because they're civil engineers, not structural, despite being perfectly willing to accept non-structural engies for the petition. In fact, you're willing to accept people who aren't engineers at all.

I somehow doubt that. However, perhaps you can answer the question for us: why, in the ten years following 9/11, have no structural building code changes been implemented specifically addressing this phenomenon of "progressive collapse"?
Why 'building code changes', specifically? Why not architects designing buildings with 9/11 in mind, like that building in Asia, IIRC, that used improvements learned from NIST's studies in its construction, and had improved resistance when it caught on fire?
 
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Your logic is easily debunkable and betrays an attitude of wilful ignorance. 9/11 "debunkers" spent the first eight years of debate arguing that free fall never occurred. Then, when it was acknowledged that it had occurred,
No it didn't. Parts of the building fell at free fall. The truther argument is that a building or buildings, from top to bottom, fell entirely at free fall. The whole thing, not parts. The argument was that free fall necessarily meant controlled demolition. Which it does not.

your argument became "that free fall occurred is insignificant".
No, debunkers had long pointed out that freefall!=CD.

Not only is the latter not true and betrays an ignorance of physics that would drop jaws throughout the academic and engineering world, it's simply shocking that you either really don't understand why it's a problem, or you're willing to pretend that it's not (while not using your real names, I note.)
Your real name is 'ergo'?

In any case, you seem to miss the obvious question: if freefall of a building through itself
Which is why all the pieces went outward, in North Tower's case even hitting WTC 7 and leading to its collapse, right?

in a supposed gravitational collapse (it's stupid that I even have to write this out) is "insignificant", why would you spend eight years arguing that it never occurred!?
Because it didn't. Truthers claimed that the entire building fell at free fall.

Your logic fails on so many fronts, here.
I disagree. I think you're being intellectually dishonest again. I also think you probably won't answer my posts on this page. If you do, you'll quote-mine it to respond to a single line or suchlike with a veiled personal attack which addresses no facts.
 
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Pointing out that you, tmd, marokkan, redibis, AE911, etc. have totally unprofessional expectations about how evidence is used from a legal standpoint is entirely related to our discussion.

If you'd prefer to discuss integrity however, note that I linked to the original post in order to assure every reader that the excerpt was not altered (IE "quote mined" as you accused me of doing), and it was real (IE. not fabricated). In other words, I made a claim, and I supported it. If you find supporting an argument "creepy" then that's not my problem.

Of course it also fits within the broader point, in which the OP asserts a false appeal to authority. 1,600 professionals share the same standards of evidence lacking professionalism, and competence. Practicing the same abusive practices as you all with evidence to suit an agenda; and doing nothing more than shouting on the internet as opposed to taking action. That's an integrity deficiency if I ever saw one


Keep digging, Grizzly. I wasn't talking about your integrity. I was talking about the context of the discussion the post you dug up was part of. Your misunderstanding proves that you indeed didn't bother about any context when you dug it up. That's called quotemining. Certainly a lesser sin but nothing that will win you any argument ever. More likely that you'll end up embarrassed and defending yourself. Take that as a lesson. ;)
 
I find it odd that you couldn't find the fourth post on the page. Also, the second highlighted portion is a straw man, as you have been informed time and time again. The standard debunker claim is not that explosions are never explosives, but that explosions are not always explosives, any more than any red stain on a shirt is necessarily ketchup.

Nice to see you, agent 000063. Haven't seen you since you stepped in your own poo in this thread. Whatever point you think you're making here, you should probably take it up in the appropriate thread. You claimed I made a specific statement about sundial technology. I didn't. But feel free to flog your horse there.
 
As soon as you provide us with the names of all the astronomers and astrophysicists who support the copernican model.

That's a large number, but I'm sure I could drum up at least 100, if I wanted to.

Why can't you name at least five structural engineers who support the NIST explanations?
 
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That's a large number, but I'm sure I could drum up at least 100, if I wanted to.

Why can't you name at least five structural engineers who support the NIST explanations?

Hell there's more than 5 engineers who contributed to that very report, ergo. Are you saying that contribution doesn't imply support?
 
NIST made a lot of faults in their reports, and even their former chief, says it. So what!!!
 
Nice to see you, agent 000063. Haven't seen you since you stepped in your own poo in this thread. Whatever point you think you're making here, you should probably take it up in the appropriate thread. You claimed I made a specific statement about sundial technology. I didn't.
I said you 'didn't know how sundials work', I recall.

Ergo? That's the basic principle of a sundial he's using. A device used for thousands of years, which you may have learned about in junior high or elementary school. Also, the USNO is one of the oldest scientific agencies in the US, not some random guy's webpage. Also also, a lot of truthers are "Youtube Super-Sleuthers"; they see a few minutes of video and that somehow makes them the equal of forensic experts and entire investigative agencies.



But feel free to flog your horse there.
Uh, you asked me to prove my claim. I did. You claimed, or at the very least strongly implied, that 911Myths was wrong, and have just carefully quote mined around my question asking you to clarify your position. Because it either means admitting you were wrong, or saying something that is obviously false.

In fact, your post doesn't make a single factual claim at all, other than 'I didn't claim anything about sundials'. You are also avoiding my several other posts addressed to you in this thread, just like I predicted.

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