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There are no material objects

dafydd said:
They were not real,just a product of my brain chemistry being altered. It was all in my head.
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dafydd said:
No. You said they were real, not that they were different ways of looking at the one reality.
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You don't get it... what was not real? what is "real"?

ANYTHING that you experience is real, and it is part of reality... what you see, feel, touch, is ALL in your head... I said both that they are both real and that they are both different ways of looking to reality. You fail to see that what you normally experience, is the result of the works of your brain, you are not in touch with reality, you are in touch with a highly specialized subjective abstraction of it... There you go.
 
Bodhi Dharma Zen said:
You don't get it... what was not real? what is "real"?

ANYTHING that you experience is real, and it is part of reality... what you see, feel, touch, is ALL in your head... I said both that they are both real and that they are both different ways of looking to reality. You fail to see that what you normally experience, is the result of the works of your brain, you are not in touch with reality, you are in touch with a highly specialized subjective abstraction of it... There you go.
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And Dafydd thought it was just the acid:D
 
Jonesboy said:
Objects do not set their own physical limits. An object is a set of physical limits that we alone have drawn upon materials and space. For example, only the concept of entertainment distinguishes a TV from the carpet it stands on.

While this doen't rule out materiality, it rules out material objects. An object is a construction of sentient creatures.
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http://physics.nyu.edu/sokal/transgress_v2/transgress_v2_singlefile.html

There are many natural scientists, and especially physicists, who continue to reject the notion that the disciplines concerned with social and cultural criticism can have anything to contribute, except perhaps peripherally, to their research. Still less are they receptive to the idea that the very foundations of their worldview must be revised or rebuilt in the light of such criticism. Rather, they cling to the dogma imposed by the long post-Enlightenment hegemony over the Western intellectual outlook, which can be summarized briefly as follows: that there exists an external world, whose properties are independent of any individual human being and indeed of humanity as a whole; that these properties are encoded in "eternal'' physical laws; and that human beings can obtain reliable, albeit imperfect and tentative, knowledge of these laws by hewing to the "objective'' procedures and epistemological strictures prescribed by the (so-called) scientific method.
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Bodhi Dharma Zen said:
You don't get it... what was not real? what is "real"?

ANYTHING that you experience is real, and it is part of reality... what you see, feel, touch, is ALL in your head... I said both that they are both real and that they are both different ways of looking to reality. You fail to see that what you normally experience, is the result of the works of your brain, you are not in touch with reality, you are in touch with a highly specialized subjective abstraction of it... There you go.
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When I die and my brain ceases to function reality will still be there.
 
punshhh said:
And Dafydd thought knows it was just the acid:D
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ftfy


Have you found any examples of my gibberish yet? Is lying part of the mystical tradition? We know that fantasizing plays a large part.
 
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Some of the ideas here border on Solipsism, so I thought I'd post this again, here:


MRC_Hans' practical test of Solipsism .(tm)

Disclaimer: This experiment might not only bruise your ego, but also your body, so you undertake it entirely at your own risk. I will not be held responsible for any consequences, including, but not limited to, loss of pride, peace of mind, teeth, etc.

1) Find a busy city street.

2) Wait for large aggressive looking male to walk by (generally, the more tattoos, the better).

3) Walk up behind said large aggressive looking male and direct a solid kick at the lower, rear portion of his body.

4) When he turns, tell him: "That was because you mother is so ugly".

5) Observe.

You will soon have tangible evidence for the following:

a) You exist physically.

b) At least one other entity exists physically.

c) You and that other entity are in communication, both abstractly and physically.

d) The other entity probably has a mother.

You may conclude that all your observations are, after all, part of an illusion, but the experience should convince you that you had better treat the illusion as reality .

Good luck!

Hans :D
 
MRC_Hans said:
Some of the ideas here border on Solipsism, so I thought I'd post this again, here:


MRC_Hans' practical test of Solipsism .(tm)

Disclaimer: This experiment might not only bruise your ego, but also your body, so you undertake it entirely at your own risk. I will not be held responsible for any consequences, including, but not limited to, loss of pride, peace of mind, teeth, etc.

1) Find a busy city street.

2) Wait for large aggressive looking male to walk by (generally, the more tattoos, the better).

3) Walk up behind said large aggressive looking male and direct a solid kick at the lower, rear portion of his body.

4) When he turns, tell him: "That was because you mother is so ugly".

5) Observe.

You will soon have tangible evidence for the following:

a) You exist physically.

b) At least one other entity exists physically.

c) You and that other entity are in communication, both abstractly and physically.

d) The other entity probably has a mother.

You may conclude that all your observations are, after all, part of an illusion, but the experience should convince you that you had better treat the illusion as reality .

Good luck!

Hans :D
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I once asked punshhh what he would do if he looked up and saw a piano plummeting down on course for his head. I received a wishy-washy answer but of course he would jump out of the way,as all so-called mystics would. Reality is reality.
 
dafydd said:
When I die and my brain ceases to function reality will still be there.
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:rolleyes: Are you familiar with logical fallacies? You are dealing with a strawman here, I never said that it would... ha, so typical in JREF... :rolleyes:
 
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Bodhi Dharma Zen said:
:rolleyes: Are you familiar with logical fallacies? You are dealing with a strawman here, I never said that it wouldn't... ha, so typical in JREF... :rolleyes:
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What? So when I die reality will disappear? That will come as a shock to the living. Typical of your sort to indulge in semantics. I just get on with my life.
 
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dafydd said:
What? So when I die reality will disappear? That will come as a shock to the living. Typical of your sort to indulge in semantics. I just get on with my life.
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oh.. :rolleyes: you are joking, right? I mean, I said you were fighting a strawman... you didnt get it (do yourself a favor and learn about logical fallacies)... To clarify, YOU are the one putting that assertion in my mouth.. I NEVER CLAIMED SUCH A THING... got it? Now, go back and read again what I said about perception and reality.
 
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MRC_Hans said:
I was thinking more in the direction of a brick, but ......
.... in the interest of humanity, I will settle for a dead fish.

Hans
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If someone throws you a dead fish they have fed you for a day

If you're eating a steady diet of fish, you're a philosopher.
 
Jonesboy said:
I can distinguish a carpet from a TV but only because I know about entertainment. Without that human value, there is no TV.
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No, you could distinguish a carpet from a TV even if you had absolutely no idea what either object was.
 
Bodhi Dharma Zen said:
oh.. :rolleyes: you are joking, right? I mean, I said you were fighting a strawman... you didnt get it (do yourself a favor and learn about logical fallacies)... To clarify, YOU are the one putting that assertion in my mouth.. I NEVER CLAIMED SUCH A THING... got it? Now, go back and read again what I said about perception and reality.
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I thought that you were joking.
 
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