Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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Kaosium said:
Nick Pisa summed up Pacelli's display right where it belongs, in the Daily Mail.

It is ironic that a man who is convinced Amanda lied and caused him to be put in jail for two weeks has no compunctions about doing so--and have his lawyer do so as well--in order to have her put away for thirty years. Or make some cash, there's that element as well. Starting with the 70k Euros from the Mail for the 'Soulless' article, another 10k from Italian papers, the 50k he stands to make from this court proceeding, to the 500k Euro suit he has against ILE in Strasbourg. So there's no hope he's not trying to cash in on his fifteen minutes of fame, that train has already left the station.
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:jaw-dropp

I am genuinely shocked at this. There is no way, on this EARTH, that Nick Pisa still believes that Knox is guilty. I thought he was softening up lately, and Barbie too, but all of a sudden they are back in attack mode. Do they know something we don't?
 
Odds on Outcome of Appeal

Tks for finding that, H1. In sum, and with rounded figures, the guy is saying:

The most likely result is the original guilty verdict will be upheld.

And the odds against her being set free are more than 20-1 (bet $1 that she goes free and, if she does, you win $20)

See now, that is a bet I would like to make (take the 20-1 odds). But, as you can see, he's talking through his hat, and not willing to put his money where his mouth is.

p.s. Forget 20-1. I'd bet any amount I imagine any citizen of Guilterland would be willing to lay down and be more than content with 10-1 odds.
 
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spartacus said:
I don't understand why the seattlepi, of all papers, still pays her to write articles on this case. Have they completely lost it?
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Keep in mind that the P-I is no longer a real newspaper. It used to be the second-biggest daily (out of two) in the Seattle area, but the Hearst Corporation shut down the paper itself a couple of years ago, and converted it to a "web-only" publication. In other words, fire all the real journalists (except for those like cartoonist David Horsey, whose work on national issues can be used by other Hearst papers throughout the country), and maintain just enough of a low-budget, second-rate presence to encourage some people to visit your site, so you can charge for web ads, which appear to be its sole source of income.

I don't want to say that the P-I now has the journalistic quality of a tabloid; I'd say, instead, that it has the journalistic quality of a really, really boring tabloid.

For all intents and purposes, there is one daily newspaper in Seattle, the Seattle Times. In terms of importance, it is probably followed by the two once-a-week papers, the Seattle Weekly and The Stranger. I would suspect the vast majority of Seattleites don't even know about the P-I's web presence, and simply assume the paper "went out of business" in early 2009 and is, by now, long gone.
 
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Scorpion NITE said:
RWVBWL
Thank you for posting that from Popper and special thanks to Popper, who may well be banned from that place after posting such an excellent translation of what was said! Interesting to note that practically everything the defence have argued thus far has been a testament to knowledgeable posters on this thread, who have covered it so extensively and so accurately.


This little snippet was very interesting and something I do not recall:

''...Also on 4/11/2007. There is a recording at police. The marche region guys. One boy says "is it premeditated?" "no, it is one who knew noone was there, or crazy". "which is the window of Meredith? ... it is the room of Marta's room [ girl living there before]" "there is a little window even I went up there once"
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RWVBWL said:
Hi Scorpion NITE,
All the thanks go to Popper, what a nice job he did!
Though I would have been banned there in a heartbeat because I have reached a different conclusion than they have after viewing a lot of the same evidence, PMF is a great place for information, most folks seem pretty intelligent and sincere, IMHO, though they too get angry, but are allowed to over there...

I too had noticed the mention of the previous tenant Marta,
and thought that the guy who lived downstairs was just saying that he went inside her bedroom once.

But your bolding "there is a little window even I went up there once" caught my eye and I wonder if it means something else?
What do you think that it means?
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Apologies for the late reply RWVBWL - this thread moves so quickly, it's hard to keep up!

To be honest, I am not sure - it's possible that I was barking up the wrong tree, as no-one else seemed to comment on this or notice it. Maybe it is the wording - I just wondered whether it could possibly mean that he had actually gone up to the window from the outside - as in accessing it? Then again, maybe it is just the way it has been translated and he actually meant that he had gone up to the room? I dunno... :confused:
 
I don't know what to make of this invitation. Any input would be appreciated. From Michael, a short while ago.

Just a casual note to any non-member readers of perugiamurderfile.net be they occasional, avid or new...or have simply arrived here accidentally from other 'similar' forums. This is the original PMF information/discussion forum and as such is run under the original PMF values. In line with that, membership is OPEN. Should you wish to join the board, please feel free, our community has been accepting new members for over three years and is still and always shall. New members will always be welcome, provided they respect the forum rules and arrive in good faith, just as they always have been. PMF is community run, not run by dictatorship or from the back room, as may be the case with some lesser sites (and imitations). In addition, please feel free to peruse the board and use its excellent search feature as well as access files, should you wish to, be you member or guest, as it is open to all. There is a great deal of useful and important information here, both in our main discussion threads and in the reference sections and these are constantly updated. Welcome to the open source - open access community :)
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lane99 said:
Tks for finding that, H1. In sum, and with rounded figures, the guy is saying:

The most likely result is the original guilty verdict will be upheld.

And the odds against her being set free are more than 2-1 (bet $1 that she goes free and, if she does, you win $2)

See now, that is a bet I would like to make (take the 2-1 odds). But, as you can see, he's talking through his hat, and not willing to put his money where his mouth is.
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I've had a good look for odds on the result and cannot find anything outside sports forums where again it is just people talking about the case and guessing about odds. I'm a bit surprised as I know of online bookies where you can bet on all manner of crazy things (good example being the hair colour of the page 3 girl each day). But about the case, nothing.

Will ask in a bookies tomorrow, but don't hold your breath as
I think this is less likely than where I already searched.
 
RoseMontague said:
I don't know what to make of this invitation. Any input would be appreciated. From Michael, a short while ago.
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Hmmmm.

''...PMF is community run, not run by dictatorship or from the back room, as may be the case with some lesser sites (and imitations)...''

Pretty much sums it up for me.

A CLEAR dig.

As for the invite - I'm tempted....or maybe not...hee hee.
 
Tks, Dr.D. Note I misread the odds being given at H1's link. I edited my post accordingly.

Right, I'll be somewhat surprised, too, if there is no accredited bookie that has issued a line on this. Considering the other things I've seen wagered on.

If you find anything, let me/us know.
 
lane99 said:
Tks, Dr.D. Note I misread the odds being given at H1's link. I edited my post accordingly.

Right, I'll be somewhat surprised, too, if there is no accredited bookie that has issued a line on this. Considering the other things I've seen wagered on.

If you find anything, let me/us know.
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If an accredited bookie was offering anywhere near 20 to 1 (see your previous post about that guy), I would be extremely worried about the outcome of the appeal trial. :eek: (I also don't gamble but I would still be worried!)
 
That was not from a legitimate bookie. Furthermore, that guy was not willing to actually MAKE A BET at those numbers. So that should tell you a lot about how realistic those numbers are.

Don't worry. Amanda Knox already has one foot out of the prison door. The other to follow shortly.
 
from what I read the defense did a good job. I'm glad they took the judges back to the beginning and laid out how the ILE had made up its mind in the first hours. I think they basically covered the "we knew the truth" comments. They made it clear that the statements were coerced and that the first court had vilolated the spirit of the supreme court ruling. Also, they pointed the consistent accounts Amanda gave.

I also liked the fact that they went after the PLE and the Scientific Police. They hit the whole prosecution pretty hard.

The afternoon session left the judges with a less intense feeling and humanized the defendants.
 
There was something in what Popper posted earlier, about Ghirga quoting some criminologist saying there was no such things as a motiveless murder. Nobody is "born bad". Either it was money or sex or revenge or this or that or the murderer was actually crazy. So he points out that none of the first list applies, and there is nothing at all to suggest that Amanda is in any way mentally ill.

I think this was a good point, actually.

Rolfe.
 
By the way, I do like the current avatars over at PMF-org. Most of them have adopted white roses in memory of Meredith, which I think is actually rather sweet. Most of the avatars themselves are lovely, and one of them has chosen the white rose of Yorkshire, as Meredith was at Leeds university (if I've got that right).

It's a nice change from the drawing of Amanda strapped to an electric chair, and other recent choice offerings.

Rolfe.
 
RoseMontague said:
It is incredible. Barbie really has no clue. This is why you have a smart editor.
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I have this crazy, outlandish theory that Rudy Guede was the sole author of this crime. I think he may have even been convicted after the police found his bloody prints and he admitted to being at the scene.

Never mind. We'll never know who the real killer is. Like I said... my idea is crazy and it's definitely way more complex than the prosecution's theory. I'll head over to the CT forum and post it there.
 
Rolfe said:
Amazing where the surf takes you....

Wut??!! http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4002791.ece Where did that go in the past three years?

Rolfe.
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I remember reading this in Monster of Florence, and asked Frank Sfarzo about it. It turned out that he wrote a blog entry about this in the earlier Perugia Shock (Good thing I made a backup before it was taken down!).

I've attached an entry from the old Perugia Shock (6-23-09) that should answer any questions about what happened. I did a search of some text and google cannot find it, so this is officially not on the web anymore. In an email to me, Frank also summarized by saying:

"They were just stupid local journalists looking for publicity. Mignini investigating them was the only good thing he did, as I recognized to him and even amanda's defense did. If he did the same about the other witnesses we wouldn't be at this point."

"Sorry for Preston and Spezie, but they took a huge blunder. Things that may happen when you want to say your opinion about a case you know only through the media..."
 

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