Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

[HumanityBlues]

So I take it PMF.org's new policy of not allowing any new members is a good sign that they're worried the verdict won't go their way. They surely don't want anyone to come on their turf and throw egg in their face. I can understand this new policy......

Good thing I'm already a member!

 

[katy_did]

[just catching up...]

Thanks to both of you!

Katy-Did, I don't think the police 'read' it that way, I think they put it there that way as that's what matched their erroneous information, either from the logs, the mistaken CCTV camera timestamp differential, or both.

The problem is that Raffaele doesn't admit to calling 112 after the postal police arrived in that statement at all, does he...? It's no sort of admission at all. To read it that way is a pretty radical reading of the text in the first place, to the point that even those on PMF eventually accepted it wasn't an incriminating statement (hence it pretty much never being listed as evidence against him).

ETA: OK, I've just remembered why the argument put forward by thoughtful and bolint on PMF was so convincing: the phrase in Raffaele's statement was edited (deliberately?) in the Corriere article. It should have read: "Mia sorella mi ha detto di chiamare il 112, cosa che io ho fatto, ma nel frattempo e arrivata la polizia postale" - "My sister told me to call 112, which I did, but in the meantime the postal police arrived". The edited phrase is ambiguous, but the full phrase is obviously much less incriminating.

 

[katy_did]

So I take it PMF.org's new policy of not allowing any new members is a good sign that they're worried the verdict won't go their way. They surely don't want anyone to come on their turf and throw egg in their face. I can understand this new policy......

Good thing I'm already a member!

Wow, they're not allowing new members? 'Closed community' indeed. You're probably right, they'd likely be inundated with new members post-acquittal, very few of whom would be pro-guilt I'd imagine.

*goes back to reading page 201*

 

[RWVBWL]

As it was not the only one.

The kitchen window from the terrace, Amanda's window and Meredith's window were also without grids.

Real burglars, who entered the house during the trial twice, used the kitchen window both times.

Irresponsibly they did not read this forum.

i didn't know that. Very interesting indeed.

Hi Yeti101,
It's always good to learn something new!

Heck, with that in mind, you might not have known of this:
In 1 of the 2 burglaries commited at the gals apartment after Meredith Kercher's bloody murder, someone stole her mattress, of all things.

I wonder why someone would go to the trouble of breaking into a supposedly secure crime scene to steal the mattress of a slain young woman.
Was someone worried about that mattress?

 

[Kaosium]

Apparently he doesn't think Pacelli made the point forcefully enough in court

I do think there's an element of the 15 mins of fame syndrome (with his insistence of a familial connection with Patrice Lumumba to Katie Crouch recently, even though this was revealed as false quite a while ago).
But I think he's too incensed by the apparent injustice to be able to see Amanda's 'confession / accusation' for what it is.
But this behaviour, his attitude, all of it will probably mean he will be bitter and angry for most of his life. One can only hope he eventually directs this towards those who are truly to blame for his treatment.

Nick Pisa summed up Pacelli's display right where it belongs, in the Daily Mail.

It is ironic that a man who is convinced Amanda lied and caused him to be put in jail for two weeks has no compunctions about doing so--and have his lawyer do so as well--in order to have her put away for thirty years. Or make some cash, there's that element as well. Starting with the 70k Euros from the Mail for the 'Soulless' article, another 10k from Italian papers, the 50k he stands to make from this court proceeding, to the 500k Euro suit he has against ILE in Strasbourg. So there's no hope he's not trying to cash in on his fifteen minutes of fame, that train has already left the station.

 

[Grinder]

and the the outside set of shutters didnt fully close due to wood swelling, per Filomenas testimony,.
( an invitation to a burglar)

I doubt that the shutters were closed at all. Filomena probably said they were to look organized and not give the insurance a chance to blame her for the break-in. The police probably asked her about the shutters before she knew nothing was stolen.
The police may well have begun forming their staging theory before finding Meredith. Not actually the theory but asking themselves why nothing was stole.

 

[JREF2010]

You know what? If I was staging a burglary in that way, the last place I'd leave the rock would be in a carrier bag.

Rolfe.

With Edgardo Giobbi around just give him the rock and he can tell what happened, he doesnt need other kinds of science.

 

[Dougm]

I doubt that the shutters were closed at all. Filomena probably said they were to look organized and not give the insurance a chance to blame her for the break-in. The police probably asked her about the shutters before she knew nothing was stolen.
The police may well have begun forming their staging theory before finding Meredith. Not actually the theory but asking themselves why nothing was stole.

Didn't Filomena testify that she did not remember if the shutters were closed or not?

This is a perfect example of the way the first trial went. She testified that she thought she did not close them all the way, which means she is not sure. Then, the police, Mignini, and then Massei, decide they were closed. And two people get convicted on conjecture.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

make that PR supertankers

Andrea Vogt wrote, "There is also a strange sense here of the message being very scripted -- the result of a multi-million dollar media and public relations push from the U.S. that is now perfectly syncronized with the Italian defense team and its supporters -- both in court and out." She got that right. It won't be long before I trade last year's Maserati in for a Lamborghini.

 

[Grinder]

Andrea Vogt wrote, "There is also a strange sense here of the message being very scripted -- the result of a multi-million dollar media and public relations push from the U.S. that is now perfectly syncronized with the Italian defense team and its supporters -- both in court and out." She got that right. It won't be long before I trade last year's Maserati in for a Lamborghini.

Her story is an embarrassment. She spends most of it talking about the TV coverage.

 

[icerat]

Andrea Vogt wrote, "There is also a strange sense here of the message being very scripted -- the result of a multi-million dollar media and public relations push from the U.S. that is now perfectly syncronized with the Italian defense team and its supporters -- both in court and out." She got that right. It won't be long before I trade last year's Maserati in for a Lamborghini.

I read the comments in that Daily mail article linked to earlier. Apparently they didn't get their cars and must be really p***ed and taking it out on Amanda.

 

[spartacus]

Her story is an embarrassment. She spends most of it talking about the TV coverage.

I don't understand why the seattlepi, of all papers, still pays her to write articles on this case. Have they completely lost it? Last week she was talking about mixed blood. Now we have the insinuation that the "pr supertanker" is coordinating its "story" with the Italian defense team. Maybe they are all saying the same thing because... um... they are telling the truth? And that "multi million" thing is an outright lie!

Sheesh, I feel like my head is going to explode whenever I see another one of her stupid "articles". Can't her and Barbie just go shopping or something and stop writing all this nonsense?

 

[Rolfe]

I note the posters on PMF agreeing that the defence arguments were very weak. And it was outrageous of Ghirga to have given Amanda a hug, because she's a convicted murderer!

I wonder what planet they're on, but actually it's understandable. The defence case was pretty much what we've been saying for months. They've heard it all and rejected it all. They're not suddenly going to see these arguments as persuasive just because it's the defence advocates making them. They've pre-dismissed everything.

Hopefully, the judges have a bit more sense.

Rolfe.

 

[Fine]

An insider joke---in English--- exchanged between the lovebirds as they left the courtroom.....

"Prima che il suo ex fidanzato e coimputato Raffaele Sollecito la salutasse con un «see you later» che vuol dire ci vediamo dopo ma probabilmente racchiude la speranza di un incontro da assolti e liberi." (See: HERE)

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[Teddy2007]

courtneycwalsh courtneycwalsh
by BBCDanielS
LUMUBA OUTSIDE COURTHOUSE “I AM THE LIVING PROOF KNOX IS A LIAR, I WENT TO PRISON 4 NOTHING. I THINK HER FIRST VERDICT WILL BE UPHELD."


Unbelievable.

I followed some of today's defence arguments on Sky Italia and Lumumba could be seen one row behind and he was frequently chatting and smiling with his lawyer. He's not paying attention to what is being said. It's no wonder he hasn't learned anything in 4 years if he's not listening to the evidence that he doesn't want to hear. I don't believe that Patrick is this goody-two-shoes that he has been portrayed as. He certainly seems to manage to smile a LOT through a murder trial.

 

[Kaosium]

[just catching up...]



The problem is that Raffaele doesn't admit to calling 112 after the postal police arrived in that statement at all, does he...? It's no sort of admission at all. To read it that way is a pretty radical reading of the text in the first place, to the point that even those on PMF eventually accepted it wasn't an incriminating statement (hence it pretty much never being listed as evidence against him).

ETA: OK, I've just remembered why the argument put forward by thoughtful and bolint on PMF was so convincing: the phrase in Raffaele's statement was edited (deliberately?) in the Corriere article. It should have read: "Mia sorella mi ha detto di chiamare il 112, cosa che io ho fatto, ma nel frattempo e arrivata la polizia postale" - "My sister told me to call 112, which I did, but in the meantime the postal police arrived". The edited phrase is ambiguous, but the full phrase is obviously much less incriminating.

So is that the best they got? An ambiguous phrase? The Matteini Report has the Polizia Postale arriving at 12:35, 'obviously' before Raffaele's call to the Carabinieri. I read that they they got an admission to this on the fifth, the statement of 10:40, but that's all it amounted to?

 

[Dougm]

Andrea Vogt wrote, "There is also a strange sense here of the message being very scripted -- the result of a multi-million dollar media and public relations push from the U.S. that is now perfectly syncronized with the Italian defense team and its supporters -- both in court and out." She got that right. It won't be long before I trade last year's Maserati in for a Lamborghini.

So she is basically accusing the other members of the media of being on the take, but not her?

I would like to ask her the following: You state that there is a multi-million dollar media and public relations push from the US. Who do you think has provided the funding for this? Have you been offered money to report the case a certain way? Did you turn it down? Do you know other journalists who have been offered money?

This is silly.

 

[Justinian2]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2e3ZqUu3QfA&feature=player_embedded

I thought Amanda Knox's father was going to cry a couple of times during this interview.

I feel like Queen Boudica must have felt when she led her tribe to rub out a roman legion and several roman cities in England. Just want to rub out a Roman Legion or two. Unfortunately her saga ended badly as 80,000 thoushand of her poorly armed and trained tribe were massachred by ten thousand crack Roman Legions. How I'd love to bring a few machine guns back in time. However, my children have Italian ancestors, so my hypothetical time travel might be ill advised.

I felt compassion for Amanda's dad during that interview and more than a little anger at the Italian government.

 

[billyryan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2e3ZqUu3QfA&feature=player_embedded

I thought Amanda Knox's father was going to cry a couple of times during this interview.

I feel like Queen Boudica must have felt when she led her tribe to rub out a roman legion and several roman cities in England. Just want to rub out a Roman Legion or two. Unfortunately her saga ended badly as 80,000 thoushand of her poorly armed and trained tribe were massachred by ten thousand crack Roman Legions. How I'd love to bring a few machine guns back in time. However, my children have Italian ancestors, so my hypothetical time travel might be ill advised.

I felt compassion for Amanda's dad during that interview and more than a little anger at the Italian government.

Great link Justinian2,no man could fight for his daughter harder than Curt Knox has,Amanda is innocent I hope they get to walk on grass together soon and if no man or tribunal makes Pignini and the Peruvian police pay for what they have done I hope god will

 

[RoseMontague]

Catching up... it was an interesting day. Overall I don't think Amanda's defense made as good of an impression as Raffaele's. They had a choice either to cover everything with a few brief comments or to focus in on the items that really decide the case against their client. Not sure they made the right choice with the brief comments.

No literary allusions or analogies? Bummer.

Just my opinion.