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UFOs: The Research, the Evidence

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Why would anybody even try and explain what edge CLAIMS to have seen. We have no wayof validating there were objects, they were thousands of feet across, they moved in any way that might appear to dock, or that any other witness might have assumed they appeared to be craft of any kind.

No corroboration
No evidence
No objective support
No need to comment.


Unless edge you are going to do anything sensible like validate your claim with evidence?


The only evidence I have is my observations of unknown conveyances and instincts.
The instincts are where fright occurs.
This is when you are thoroughly convinced, [fright], just as those two bovine were when that second occurrence happened.
Range cattle do not scare off as easily as you might think.
 
The only evidence I have is my observations of unknown conveyances and instincts.
The instincts are where fright occurs.
This is when you are thoroughly convinced, [fright], just as those two bovine were when that second occurrence happened.
Range cattle do not scare off as easily as you might think.

I think it's quite possible you've watched too many movies.
 
I would not say idiotic. Tripping would be my word. Reading Edge post, I can imagine myself doing acid it would look like that.


Too bad I never do drugs.

ETA: in case mods think this is a personal attack on edge : I did not intend it this way. I can#t help thinking that when reading Edge's post: read them too before moving this to AAH...

I already explained in my story that I was free of any substances for about 4 months or more, till that first sighting, that is when I had my first rum and coke in probably 6 months.

This is your last line of defense, he was tripping?
If that was the case do you think I would post this?
I posted this because I was at the opposite end of that spectrum; there is more creditability due than that!
I watched that red Orb in the opposite direction flying over the town I lived in below, in the valley, for a few seconds also.

It was very real and very tangible as proven with that second encounter also.
 
The only evidence I have is my observations of unknown conveyances and instincts.
The instincts are where fright occurs.
This is when you are thoroughly convinced, [fright], just as those two bovine were when that second occurrence happened.
Range cattle do not scare off as easily as you might think.


Your observations are worth more as evidence because they've been corroborated by a couple of cows???

Really???
 
I find it very unsurprising that Edge believes in UFAOS' as well as dowsing. If Rramjet were still here, I would ask him if he believes in other forms of woo as well, I would be more shocked if he didn't. No offense to either of these guys, I just find it interesting that belief( or credulity) extends across different areas.
 
I agree with what you say.
To answer the question in yellow below.
The one sighting in Cali, the 2nd one, even the animals were scared .
In my mind that first sighting on that road I had before that one, while viewing it I went through every possible explanation and none of them fit.
Not only that but I was hearing it's propulsion system start up and it was electrical in nature.
Before that it was silent.
The personal that opened the door on top of the huge square object that came out of it, couldn't have been kids because of their size, but they were that size.
So it couldn't be a kid because it was the size of a kid?
And you have no supporting evidence, and just want us to take your word for it? OK, so why take your word, and not the word of people who think the world is flat, pixies live in their garden, they speak to god, cure cancer with their hands, or that black people are inherently less human? Why is your word better than anybody elses?

Oh and in other posts you not only knew the engine sounded electric, but described the propulsion system as electromagnetic. Care to explain on what evidence you deduced that? And how exactly electromagnetic space flight works? Please?

I witnessed a docking procedure of two different objects one a glowing reddish orb and one a massive square object that had approximately 4 to 5 thousand square feet.
Thousands of square feet? And nobody else in the surrounding MILES saw it?

Plus the fact they never touch each other with space between them.
They were locked together perfectly no variance or deviations in they’re flight together.
What does this mean? They don't touch, and aren't docked because they have space between them. Or they "Dock" and are touching (so why would there be space between them?) And how exactly do you see one object, when something thousands of feet across is blocking your view of it?

That right there told me something, because that never happens especially when you start from 0 to whatever speed.
The last glimpse I had it was moving very fast with in 4000 yards as it crused to my left and away from me, it must have hit 3oo mph before I could no longer observe it.
The square object reflected no light and was in a sense cloaked or slightly stealth like.

And these estimates were based on what exactly? How was the size, distance and speed calculated, with no reference point mentioned?

<nice story with no supporting evidence>
I have been trained to be an observer in the military spotting targets, planes, tanks, distance and size for accuracy in killing the enemy.
And yet you did not say ANYTHING when somebody else claims to be able to see an object the size of VW over incredible distances? You are trained in observation, but not professional enough to point out glaring errors in the ever changing reports of others? Becuase they too claim it was UFO perhaps?

Others that I have spoken to up there have their own stories to tell.
That area and Shasta are hot spots and very, very remote what better place for them to come and see, examine.
From what I have seen there, I believe them.

Moot point. They have no evidence. What you believe is with out value. What you can prove matters.
 
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The only evidence I have is my observations of unknown conveyances and instincts.
The instincts are where fright occurs.
This is when you are thoroughly convinced, [fright], just as those two bovine were when that second occurrence happened.
Range cattle do not scare off as easily as you might think.

So, you have nothing.
 
The only evidence I have is my observations of unknown conveyances and instincts.
The instincts are where fright occurs.
This is when you are thoroughly convinced, [fright], just as those two bovine were when that second occurrence happened.
Range cattle do not scare off as easily as you might think.

Stories are not evidence.
Fear is not evidence.
Scared cows are not evidence.
Stories about scared cows do not allow you to claim the scared cows are evidence. It's more stories.

So that is not your "only" evidence, it is your "total lack of" evidence. Does the title of this thread mention research and evidence or stories? I cant remember now...
 
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I already explained in my story that I was free of any substances for about 4 months or more, till that first sighting, that is when I had my first rum and coke in probably 6 months.

This is your last line of defense, he was tripping?
If that was the case do you think I would post this?
I posted this because I was at the opposite end of that spectrum; there is more creditability due than that!
I watched that red Orb in the opposite direction flying over the town I lived in below, in the valley, for a few seconds also.

It was very real and very tangible as proven with that second encounter also.

Flashbacks are possible.
And comparing your style to a trip is not a claim you were tripping. Please stop using ad homenim attacks....

Wait "proven"? What has been proven by your STORY of a second visitation? That you can tell two stories as well as one?

Nothing has proven by any of your posts.
 
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Yes it is; you're right but many might see it as a UFO, but I know when looking in the sky what it is and Venus are, just as you do.

It's easy enough to determine whether a "UFO" is a bright star or planet even by those who hardly ever look up. The clues can be summed up in 2 words: stationary & repeatability. These kind of mistakes are one of the few instances where retroactive 'UFO investigation' actually bears fruit.

How many mud puppies are out there, on other planets?
If they are out there wouldn't it follow along with other alien looking creatures we hope to find on other planets, doesn't it make sense that there would be creatures of higher orders, sentient beings also and possibly millions of years more advanced than ourselves?

You don't even need mud puppies to speculate about hypothetical ETI. Speculation is fine BTW as long as the person doing it realizes that, due to insufficient data, that's all we can do at this point. FWIW my speculation has a space-faring ETI existing somewhere but restricted by the same limitations we have (and will have) with regard to interstellar travel. I don't think they even know we are here and if they did they certainly wouldn't dance to the silly peek-a-boo tune played by the band of ufological enablers on this little blue ball.

And by the way when viewing some of these I didn’t wear shades at dusk or at night.
I know you want to be funny but after one time it gets old.
Nothing I have described to you goes against biblical teachings since it says there are many creatures around the throne of God.

You must have me confused with someone else edge. I can't think of one good reason to ever recommend the wearing of shades when it gets dark nor have I interjected religion into this thread.
 
I find it very unsurprising that Edge believes in UFAOS' as well as dowsing. If Rramjet were still here, I would ask him if he believes in other forms of woo as well, I would be more shocked if he didn't. No offense to either of these guys, I just find it interesting that belief( or credulity) extends across different areas.


As it happens . . .


My Grandmother's house was haunted. There was lots of footsteps and opening and closing of doors (some of them locked doors!) and general bangings and unnaccountable noises... interstingly, when she sold the house, the new owners experienced no "hauntings" at all - nothing. Interestingly also was that when we were kids, our parents and grandparents did not tell us about their personal experiences in the house and it was only later when we grew up and the house was sold that it was revealed that they too experienced the "hauntings" - and they did not tell us because "We did not want to scare you kids" ! Geez ... we were scared anyway! ...and not only that, we kids did not tell our parents about our experiences of "hauntings" in the house! LOL. Strange how we rationalise things to ourselves...
 
Let's try to leave the obvious attention whoring aside for a while...

Last week NG aired down here a show on mystery lights. Hessdalen was at the center of the stage in one of the blocks. Can't remember the name of the researcher (my "self-correcting memory" must be damaged by age sex, drugs and rock n´roll), but he was talking about having radar contacts there indicating 30K km/h speed. No mentions to sonic boom, track records were not shown, alleged sighting description, weather conditions and equipment not mentioned also. Anyone has any additional info on this?
 
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