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UFOs: The Research, the Evidence

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edge said:
Yes it is; you're right but many might see it as a UFO, but I know when looking in the sky what it is and Venus are, just as you do.
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We're in luck then aren't we? If anyone posts pictures of Sirius A & B and claims that it's a UFO we have at least two people here who can sort it all out.


edge said:
How many mud puppies are out there, on other planets?
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17.


edge said:
If they are out there wouldn't it follow along with other alien looking creatures we hope to find on other planets, doesn't it make sense that there would be creatures of higher orders, sentient beings also and possibly millions of years more advanced than ourselves?
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No.


edge said:
And by the way when viewing some of these I didn’t wear shades at dusk or at night.
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Well, that's obviously where you've gone wrong.


edge said:
I know you want to be funny but after one time it gets old.
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edge said:
Nothing I have described to you goes against biblical teachings since it says there are many creatures around the throne of God.
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Groovy.
 
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How many mud puppies are there on other planets?

"None" until proven otherwise. Or until a reasonable supposition can be made for salamanders achieving interstellar technology.

Is really the twaddle that passes for logic, reason and evidence when it comes to proving ufos are of alien origin?
 
With edge's arrival, this thread has turned even more idiotic than I thought it could.
 
AdMan said:
With edge's arrival, this thread has turned even more idiotic than I thought it could.
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This is probably destined for AAH, but I don't know what the point of posting photos of known light phenomena might be, unless someone might say "That's a genuine UFO" and the poster can then say "Gotcha!" Oh, well. If I remember correctly, edge once posted an illustration from Gulliver's Travels as evidence of flying saucers, or of something.
 
Cuddles said:
If you look at Edge's posting history, you might notice that he's pretty much incapable of eliminating mundane explanations for anything, ever. Just as with Rramjet, ufology, and so many other believers, "I was quite capable of elimination of the mundane" actually means "I haven't even tried to eliminate mundane explanations, but it was aliens, so there.".



Yes, this certainly appears to be the case. Since you now appear to recognise your own credulity, can we assume you'll stop trying to pretend your stories are worth anything at all?
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In yellow that's baloney.
When I witnessed that square object docking with that round reddish orb my mind had gone through every possible explanation and none fit with what I observed while knowing this, the hair on the back of my neck stood out and in a sense it was scary.

It was scary in many senses, the first is the government who was so adamant on our protection had not a clue that these conveyances were in our air space, as big as it was, you would think they would have picked this up on radar and that we did not even have a clue as to its capabilities or power.
I even knew at the time we have nothing that flies through the skies based on electrical principals.
There were no propellers any jet engines or turbines, nothing that would indicate a engine.
There were no numbers or symbols on its exterior to identify its origin.
It was the most amazing thing I ever seen, and there’s one thing I forgot to mention.
The sound the red orb made as it flew around the area, it was almost inaudible but like rolling thunder in the far distance.
Also electrical in nature.
 
Akhenaten said:
  1. Post pictures of stuff that you can't identify.

  2. Post descriptions of stuff that you don't have pictures of.

  3. ???

  4. Profit.
Yeah. Good plan.
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What I am trying to show you mister know it all is that we can tell the difference.
 
edge said:
Cuddles said:
If you look at Edge's posting history, you might notice that he's pretty much incapable of eliminating mundane explanations for anything, ever. Just as with Rramjet, ufology, and so many other believers, "I was quite capable of elimination of the mundane" actually means "I haven't even tried to eliminate mundane explanations, but it was aliens, so there.".
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In yellow that's baloney.


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This really isn't going as well as you might think.
 
edge said:
What I am trying to show you mister know it all is that we can tell the difference.
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Between things that we can identify and things that we can't, between things that we can identify and you can't, between things that we can't identlfy but you can, or just the difference between different things?
 
AdMan said:
With edge's arrival, this thread has turned even more idiotic than I thought it could.
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What we have here is edge supporting ufology's position at least as well as ufology has been throughout the thread. I'm sure ufology would agree that edge is being a helpful cooperative skeptic. What do you say, ufology, do you feel like you're getting any closer to making a cogent argument in favor of the existence of aliens with edge's help?
 
AdMan said:
With edge's arrival, this thread has turned even more idiotic than I thought it could.
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Why because I gave you the most information on two sightings that I have had?
I showed you how a person with less information could make mistakes or how no matter what you contradict yourselves one way when it comes to biblical explanations, and then the other way when it comes to visitations or that you will deny everything no matter what?
You have nothing to explain away what I seen in California besides jokes.

You all say that we couldn't be alone in the universe but at the same time they aren't capable of finding this planet, how odd is that? Are they the same age as we are?
Did they go through the same evolution in the same time period as we did?
The fundies will say we are the only planet in the universe that has sentient beings which you will argue against.
Which is it?
Paulu what the heck where you talking about?
 
edge said:
Yes it is; you're right but many might see it as a UFO, but I know when looking in the sky what it is and Venus are, just as you do.
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Well must people don't look at the sky the way Chandra does. However, I think what you are stating is that many people mistake stars and planets for UFOs. That is very true. It can apply to a great many people. A good example occurred during the Condon study. According to Dr. Craig:

The person who originally reported the UFO said it had caused his 'Magnetic UFO detector' to sound the alarm, and when he went outside to look, sure enough, there was a UFO straight overhead. He had pointed out this distant bright object, high in the sky, when the staff team arrived about an hour later....Mary Lou phoned the UFO officer at one of Air Force bases in the region to learn if he had knowledge of an unidentified object then in the sky. She was most indignant when it was suggested to her that they were 'probably chasing Venus,' and she commented upon the nerve of anyone who would suggest a PH.D. scientists would be chasing a planet without recognizing it...Mary Lou's indignation must have mellowed considerably the next day when he arrived at the office with figures which showed the light had moved westward at 15 degrees per hour, and expressed the suspicion that the observed light must have been an astronomical object...The coordinates of Venus matched those of the observed bright light...While this may have left some staff members slightly embarrassed, it was a valuable lesson to those who were to conduct field investigations of UFO reports later. (Roy Craig UFOs: An Insider's View of the Offical Quest for Evidence. p.38-39)

Pilots have chased stars and misidentified planets before. I remember being at a winter star party one year (1988 or 1989?) and a couple of reasonably experienced amateur astronomers were excited because they thought they may have found a nova in pre-dawn sky low in the southeast. It was a nice red star of about 2nd magnitude where no star should have been. Having been up all night, they may have been a bit on the tired side because when they asked someone to take a look, that person commented "nice view of Mars". Mars had just passed conjunction with the sun and was very small in the scope (almost star-like at the magnification being used) and dimmer than usual. Of course, it was where no star should have been. This little anecdote just proves that nobody is immune to being fooled. I can tell all sorts of interesting stories from my navy years and, yes, even I have been a bit confused by the planet Jupiter (for a few minutes until I realized what I was seeing rising through the trees).
You may be perfect but most people are far from being so.
 
One clear, cold evening as I was heading home from school, I passed an excited crowd of students who were watching a UFO--it was zoomimg close, then zipping into the distance, they said, and shooting beams toward the ground. We were outside the science building, and I knew some astronomy students were watching for a meteor shower that night, so I persuaded about half a dozen students to seek out a science teacher with me. We found one who obligingly pointed a refracting telescope at the UFO and showed the students they had been tricked by a very bright Venus.
 
GeeMack said:
edge said:
You have nothing to explain away what I seen in California besides jokes.
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This could be parsed a number of ways, but when I read it... well... maybe Akhenaten's comment is appropriate again here...

Akhenaten said:
This really isn't going as well as you might think.
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I was also thinking of a number of different ways to respond to that bit.

This seemed reasonable:


edge said:
You have nothing to explain away what I seen in California besides jokes.
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We have no way of knowing what you might have seen in California besides jokes, so how could we hope to explain it away?
 
Spektator said:
One clear, cold evening as I was heading home from school, I passed an excited crowd of students who were watching a UFO--it was zoomimg close, then zipping into the distance, they said, and shooting beams toward the ground. We were outside the science building, and I knew some astronomy students were watching for a meteor shower that night, so I persuaded about half a dozen students to seek out a science teacher with me. We found one who obligingly pointed a refracting telescope at the UFO and showed the students they had been tricked by a very bright Venus.
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You are the kind of people that discredits the UFO community.
(Although in a different way that ufology and edge :))
 
Toke said:
You are the kind of people that discredits the UFO community.
(Although in a different way that ufology and edge :))
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It's been a long time, and I can't remember all the details, but about ten or eleven of the students refused to come with us. And of the six or so who saw Venus through the telescope, one or maybe two denied that it was what they had seen earlier, though all of the group had pointed out Venus as the object when the teacher was lining up the scope.
 
Why would anybody even try and explain what edge CLAIMS to have seen. We have no wayof validating there were objects, they were thousands of feet across, they moved in any way that might appear to dock, or that any other witness might have assumed they appeared to be craft of any kind.

No corroboration
No evidence
No objective support
No need to comment.


Unless edge you are going to do anything sensible like validate your claim with evidence?
 
AdMan said:
With edge's arrival, this thread has turned even more idiotic than I thought it could.
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I would not say idiotic. Tripping would be my word. Reading Edge post, I can imagine myself doing acid it would look like that.


Too bad I never do drugs.

ETA: in case mods think this is a personal attack on edge : I did not intend it this way. I can#t help thinking that when reading Edge's post: read them too before moving this to AAH...
 
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