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So what regulations do we ditch?

Travis

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We so often hear the lament that government regulations kill jobs. Someone even said that the EPA should be renamed the job killing agency.

So what exactly are the regulations that we should get rid of? What is the trade off to the rest of society? What is the EPA doing in particular that makes it so hated?

It would be nice to finally have some specifics.
 
We often hear about regulations killing jobs, but we tend to forget about the lack of regulations killing workers.
 
A Laughing Baby said:
We often hear about regulations killing jobs, but we tend to forget about the lack of regulations killing workers.
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And therefore creating new jobs. Maybe if we set regulations on the minimum number of workplace deaths per month, the jobs people and the regulations people can both have their cake, and eat it too!

We need more jobs! I propose everybody drive a Pinto.
 
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A Laughing Baby said:
We often hear about regulations killing jobs, but we tend to forget about the lack of regulations killing workers.
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Fine... there´s too many workers anyway. Nobody will miss a million or two of them if they get killed. They´d probably vote Democrat anyway, so why drag along that economic deadwood?

(yup... sarcasm)
 
Eliminate the Patent Office and let anybody who wants to open a factory to make knock-offs of the crap that GE and Nike are making in China.

Why would we need to protect the jobs that those slimeballs are crerating off-shore?
 
They create jobs in the bureaucracies required to oversee them. But that's not the sort of job that adds wealth to society.
 
Virus said:
They create jobs in the bureaucracies required to oversee them. But that's not the sort of job that adds wealth to society.
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Bull feathers. Not having regulations destroys wealth through waste of and damage to resources and labor, which are the source of wealth.

That regulations limit the power of capital is trivial.
 
leftysergeant said:
Eliminate the Patent Office and let anybody who wants to open a factory to make knock-offs of the crap that GE and Nike are making in China.

Why would we need to protect the jobs that those slimeballs are crerating off-shore?
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I hate to say it, but I am ALMOST in agreement with lefty here... Our patent and copyright laws are excessive.
 
Travis said:
We so often hear the lament that government regulations kill jobs. Someone even said that the EPA should be renamed the job killing agency.

So what exactly are the regulations that we should get rid of? What is the trade off to the rest of society? What is the EPA doing in particular that makes it so hated?

It would be nice to finally have some specifics.
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I know lots of people that have jobs specifically because of EPA regulations.
 
Newtons Bit said:
I hate to say it, but I am ALMOST in agreement with lefty here... Our patent and copyright laws are excessive.
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I partially agree but am not convinced that doing away with them entirely would be better than the current system. I support a steady rolling back of some elements, especially the length of corporate and post death IP protection. Certainly the breadth of ideas that qualify.

Alferd_Packer said:
I know lots of people that have jobs specifically because of EPA regulations.
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So does Michelle Bachman ;)

WildCat said:
How about marijuana prohibition?
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Agreed.
 
The Fallen Serpent said:
I partially agree but am not convinced that doing away with them entirely would be better than the current system. I support a steady rolling back of some elements, especially the length of corporate and post death IP protection. Certainly the breadth of ideas that qualify.
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Indeed. I'm rather frustrated that the greatest American composition ever written is still copyrighted, even though the creator has been dead for almost three-quarters of a century. Getting rid of copyright laws wouldn't make the problem better, but going back to a system where copyrights were only the life of the author plus a few years seems fair.

Our patent laws, on the other hand, are out of control. Current laws allow someone to patent software. Not a computer language, but the actual software one makes using tools that someone else created. It boggles my mind. I shudder to think what would have happened if some of the more basics aspects of internet, world wide web, etc had been copyrights.

"Oh, I'm sorry, you want to use a packet protocol? That CONCEPT has been patented. You can only communicate with other computers if you use our system and pay us royalties" :eek:

Or perhaps Tim Berners-Lee could have done us all a favor by patenting the world wide web and kicking off all the copyright/patent trolls.

Apple has patented the concept of using two fingers to control touchpads. Really? That's a patentable idea? It's just like using two mice. What's so revolutionary about that?

Now we have a first-to-file system. So it's possible for open source developers to create a new concept in programming, publish the code to the world and then be sued by someone else who sees their idea and patents it.
 
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Travis said:
We so often hear the lament that government regulations kill jobs. Someone even said that the EPA should be renamed the job killing agency. So what exactly are the regulations that we should get rid of? What is the trade off to the rest of society? What is the EPA doing in particular that makes it so hated? It would be nice to finally have some specifics.
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EPA needs to consider costs as well as benefits.
My list. Repeal:
Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security
Federal minimum wage laws.
Enabling legislation for the Department of Education, Department of Housing and Urban Development, Department of Labor.
Farm price supports and ag subsidies.
CPSiA.
Anti-discrimination laws applied to private employment.

...and substitute employment exams for all credential requirements in Federal employment.
 
leftysergeant said:
Eliminate the Patent Office and let anybody who wants to open a factory to make knock-offs of the crap that GE and Nike are making in China.

Why would we need to protect the jobs that those slimeballs are crerating off-shore?
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Better yet, eliminate drug patent protections so we can have plenty of cheap generics but no incentive to develop new, high-profit cholesterol drugs.
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
Better yet, eliminate drug patent protections so we can have plenty of cheap generics but no incentive to develop new, high-profit cholesterol drugs.
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Nah. Just enforce the patents on stuff manufactured here and put a tariff on the imports. Pays for itself, and the only way you make money on our ecconomy is to locate here.
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
Better yet, eliminate drug patent protections so we can have plenty of cheap generics but no incentive to develop new, high-profit cholesterol drugs.
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This will work if the government funds the research. Good luck getting the Republicans to agree to it though.
 
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