Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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1)The glass that was incredibly left undisturbed when the supposed climber slithered over it was on the inside sill.(many pictures available)
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Who says he "slithered"?

2) Even when on the top rung of your ladder (grate) it would not be nearly as commonplace for a person to haul himself up the remaining distance as you (and many others) suggest.
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That's not the "top rung"--the "top rung" is the window casing.

3) The undisturbed nail directly in his path while pulling himself up is significant to many
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. . . on PMF. PS: where are the forensics tests concerning this nail, and the evidence that it would have to be disturbed by a climb.

4) Many arguing innocence acknowledge de facto the improbability of that grate method when they instead propound a planter to window via hanging from roof eaves 'stretch'.
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So there are two ways to access the window?

5) Hammerite's picture aptly captioned climber wondering 'what's next' from the defense's own video is conveniently never shown by the defense.
http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/vi...cution should have shown it, then. Did they?
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halides1 said:
I will not have time to look into Stardust until this evening at the earliest. But if you search the various threads under my username and Stardust (or just Stardust), you will find at least some of the information that what you seek.
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Don't have to, I knew, I have been just checking it.

The Stardust Last Access time is 02:47 on Nov 6. (Massei p309)
That is one hour after the 1:45AM confession of Amanda.

At that time probably not even Mignini was aware of that confession, let alone policemen playing on the computer in Raffaele's house.

This was a defence baloney popularized by Frank.
 
Love this line from that section of PMF

"It would have not have been possible if the outer shutters were jammed closed leaving only an inch or so of window sill to hold onto"

I did indoor climbing for about 2 months. After a month I could support myself with a foothold of less than an inch and a hand hold of a cm

Call me Mr Impossible.
 
pilot padron said:
1)The glass that was incredibly left undisturbed when the supposed climber slithered over it was on the inside sill.(many pictures available)
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Short of duplicating the strike there's no way of knowing it was undisturbed, and with a rock, and intruder, coming from the outside I would expect the glass to primarily be on the inside sill.

I know there's people, including yourself, who apparently disagree but that smacks of rationalising to me.

2) Even when on the top rung of your ladder (grate) it would not be nearly as commonplace for a person to haul himself up the remaining distance as you (and many others) suggest.
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I never suggested it would be "commonplace", but I certainly could have done it, so I have no reason to believe that Guede, who is at least as tall as me, couldn't have.

3) The undisturbed nail directly in his path while pulling himself up is significant to many
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I've climbed walls and gotten around sharp obstacles. (a) Not that hard. (b) without knowing the orientation of the nail before climbing, how would anyone know it was undisturbed?

4) Many arguing innocence acknowledge de facto the improbability of that grate method when they instead propound a planter to window via hanging from roof eaves 'stretch'.
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So there were multiple potential ways he could have gotten in through the window? That helps the "guilty" case how? Doesn't that just cast even more doubt?

5) Hammerite's picture aptly captioned climber wondering 'what's next' from the defense's own video is conveniently never shown by the defense.
http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=402&p=95051&hilit=lawyer+window#p95051
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Umm ... that link claims the nail you say was a hindrance was actually planted as an aid to the climber. Can't have it both ways!

I stand by what I said, nail or no nail I would have been able to climb up there in my younger and fitter days, I am in zero doubt of that (especially if I wasn't wearing dress shoes!)

I'm also in zero doubt that I'm not the only person in the world who could have done so.

Either way we're now left with two plausible ways for him to have entered by the window, which leaves no need for other parties to be involved, let alone providing any evidence that the unnecessary parties were Knox and Sollecito.
 
pilot padron said:
Not in any way as a put down.
I appreciate your view.
I just hesitate to continue on a topic that has been discussed so extensively.
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I agree, drop it cause it's just desperate.

pilot padron said:
1)The glass that was incredibly left undisturbed when the supposed climber slithered over it was on the inside sill.(many pictures available)
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Looks disturbed like hell. Slithered over? He jumped in.

pilot padron said:
2) Even when on the top rung of your ladder (grate) it would not be nearly as commonplace for a person to haul himself up the remaining distance as you (and many others) suggest.
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Yeah, for a grandma.
pilot padron said:
3) The undisturbed nail directly in his path while pulling himself up is significant to many
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Yeah, it was part of yesterday's Maori presentation. The nail held itself very well.
pilot padron said:
4) Many arguing innocence acknowledge de facto the improbability of that grate method when they instead propound a planter to window via hanging from roof eaves 'stretch'.
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I don't think so.

pilot padron said:
5) Hammerite's picture aptly captioned climber wondering 'what's next' from the defense's own video is conveniently never shown by the defense.
http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=402&p=95051&hilit=lawyer+window#p95051
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What's next? Maybe the next picture shows it? Oh, yeah, he reached and grabbed the window sill without any problem.
 
Did Rudy Kill Meredith in Self-Defense?

It's known that Rudy was severely beaten as a child, possibly causing brain damage.

It's known that one of Rudy's friends wouldn't permit him to spend the night, because when awakened he would act delusional, and out of control, in a stupor, as if living in a separate reality.

It's not unlikely that Rudy saw Meredith while she was out on the town Halloween night, dressed as a vampire, blood dripping from her chin and sporting scary vampire teeth. A memorable image. (Her vampire teeth mentioned in the movie The Trial of Amanda Knox.)

A video we have of Rudy prior to the murder, shows Rudy mimicking a hideous vampire, perhaps an expression of a deep-seated fear. See: VIDEO

So.........when Meredith returned to the cottage that night, did she find Rudy sound asleep, Rudy awoke, still in a stupor, and saw Meredith as he'd seen her last, the night before---a vampire---pulled out his knife and killed her before she could kill him?

Should Rudy be in prison for 16 years... or in an insane asylum for life, with irreversible---and dangerous--- brain damage?

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theRealBob said:
If you're from Melbourne you should know that ALL of the very top people in the elite drug squad were recently put away for selling the drugs they confiscated through the informers they get to know, become matey with and use.
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Not to mention the Fitzgerald Report in Queensland not all that long ago.

Heck, when I was a kid we used to visit a friend in NSW and I had a lot of fun playing all the (illegal) poker machines he had in his den. He was a top NSW copper. I remember my dad went out with him "on patrol" one night, complete with a NSW police uniform on (my dad was an engineer, not a policeman), they staggered in about 5am (waking us all), blind rotten drunk, still in the uniforms. This was back in the 70s, but still.
 
bolint said:
It was not that vague.
Amanda sat through the hearing before Matteini and she availed herself of the option of not responding while Lumuba was desperately defending himself in vain for more than two hours right before the eyes of Amanda (and Raffaele, of course).

All because she had been coerced. :D
Give me a break.
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I just said I'm always late, but...

This was a fairly interesting post, but......

The 'evilness personified, AND WITCH' Amanda, was probably just a chick let out of a dark isolated prison cell (where she feels cut off from the real news) who is really a bystander in court watching the cops (or figures who appear to be like them) going through their own processing routines as they bring justice to bear upon this horrible crime.
She's inside. She's nowhere, and she knows the cops are out there, in full possession of the facts and are doing what they do best.

Prosecuting this crime.
 
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So when was it accessed before 2:47?

bolint said:
Don't have to, I knew, I have been just checking it.

The Stardust Last Access time is 02:47 on Nov 6. (Massei p309)
That is one hour after the 1:45AM confession of Amanda.

At that time probably not even Mignini was aware of that confession, let alone policemen playing on the computer in Raffaele's house.

This was a defence baloney popularized by Frank.
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With Raffaele and Amanda in custody, who else besides the police could have accessed the file at this time? I am supremely puzzled by your comment about Mignini. What does he have to do with it? I believe that the police were merely incompetent in this instance and did not realize that they were potentially losing evidence. The most important issue with respect to a possible alibi is when was it accessed before 2:47.
 
My conclusion on the break in has been less that I can be sure what happened, than that the prosecution isn't either, and they have no proof that Amanda and Raffaele staged it. It is just this circular reasoning -- if someone staged a break in, they must have been involved in the murder, and the reason to stage the break in is to divert attention from someone. So, since we think Amanda might have done it, it makes sense that the break in was staged, because she is the one that had a key, etc.

None of that is proof that the break in was staged, and the physical evidence shows, at the very least, that the rock was thrown from the outside, not the inside as most of the staging theories claim.

So, my thought has always been that, no I don't know for sure that Rudy came in that window. But I think it is not impossible, it is similar to his previous MO, and there is no proof that the breakin was staged. Maybe he threw the rock through the window to see if anyone was home, then came in some other way (that is not my top theory, just one other option).

Also, if this window is so obviously not where a burglar would break in through, then why would Amanda and Raffaele choose it for the staging? So they choose a window that appears unlikely to people that someone could break in? Why not just leave the front door unlocked? Or break or open a different window?

To use the "staged break in" as proof of murder, it has to be way more conclusive than it is. I think that, given the available evidence combined with the other facts of the case (liklihood that Rudy was already inside when Meredith came home), I think he did climb in that window. But if he didn't, the evidence that Amanda and Raff staged it is not there.
 
Fine said:
It's known that Rudy was severely beaten as a child, possibly causing brain damage.

It's known that one of Rudy's friends wouldn't permit him to spend the night, because when awakened he would act delusional, and out of control, in a stupor, as if living in a separate reality.

It's not unlikely that Rudy saw Meredith while she was out on the town Halloween night, dressed as a vampire, blood dripping from her chin and sporting scary vampire teeth. A memorable image. (Her vampire teeth mentioned in the movie The Trial of Amanda Knox.)

A video we have of Rudy prior to the murder, shows Rudy mimicking a hideous vampire, perhaps an expression of a deep-seated fear. See: VIDEO

So.........when Meredith returned to the cottage that night, did she find Rudy sound asleep, Rudy awoke, still in a stupor, and saw Meredith as he'd seen her last, the night before---a vampire---pulled out his knife and killed her before she could kill him?

Should Rudy be in prison for 16 years... or in an insane asylum for life, with irreversible---and dangerous--- brain damage?

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You left out convicted murderer Amanda Knox. You have to fit her in somewhere, since she played a part in the murder.
 
Fine said:
It's known that Rudy was severely beaten as a child, possibly causing brain damage.

It's known that one of Rudy's friends wouldn't permit him to spend the night, because when awakened he would act delusional, and out of control, in a stupor, as if living in a separate reality.

It's not unlikely that Rudy saw Meredith while she was out on the town Halloween night, dressed as a vampire, blood dripping from her chin and sporting scary vampire teeth. A memorable image. (Her vampire teeth mentioned in the movie The Trial of Amanda Knox.)

A video we have of Rudy prior to the murder, shows Rudy mimicking a hideous vampire, perhaps an expression of a deep-seated fear. See: VIDEO

So.........when Meredith returned to the cottage that night, did she find Rudy sound asleep, Rudy awoke, still in a stupor, and saw Meredith as he'd seen her last, the night before---a vampire---pulled out his knife and killed her before she could kill him?

Should Rudy be in prison for 16 years... or in an insane asylum for life, with irreversible---and dangerous--- brain damage?

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Although impossible to prove, this narrative makes more sense using the available evidence than any scenario involving Knox and Sollecito. And it would explain the reason for the rage that must have been required to stab Meredith so viciously.

Interesting.
 
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