Merged Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth - (Part 2)

[Lothian]

And, just so you know, here are some of the comments I.....snip........

Enjoy the read. I won't be responding to questions. For my own reputation on the boards here, I felt the need to let everyone know I wasn't blowing smoke.

I presume this is the list.

If you find any evidence in the list that the NY writers told the truth feel free to share.

Just to clarify, we are not interested in the mundane, locations, practices etc, rather it is the supernatural elements that we want evidence for.

 

[Lothian]

Another wide sweeping generalization of a 21,000 post thread by people who can't just let the posts speak for themselves. Your statement is completely false. I have presented plenty of evidence that what they believed was true in my 2500+ posts. Do you want me to present some of it for the umpteenth time?

Feel free to repost anything you consider is evidence that the writers told the truth.

Note however that, once I stop laughing, I will post the responses you received showing why the 'evidence' does not stand up to scrutiny.

 

[Agatha]

Another wide sweeping generalization of a 21,000 post thread by people who can't just let the posts speak for themselves. Your statement is completely false. I have presented plenty of evidence that what they believed was true in my 2500+ posts. Do you want me to present some of it for the umpteenth time?

In addition to being one of those people in here who make wide sweeping generalizations concerning the thread, I think you are one of those (in here) who just can't seem to grasp the difference between the word "evidence" and the word "proof".

You think wrong; I am well aware of the difference between 'evidence' and 'proof', and I am also aware of the difference between 'evidence' and a 'claim'.

I do not take kindly to allegations that I have lied. As you consider I have made a false statement, I would like you to evidence that by pointing to one (or more) of your posts where you have provided evidence that the NT writers told the truth. Not that they believed it was true, evidence that it actually was.

If you fail to do so, I expect you to withdraw your allegation that I lied and apologise. If you do provide such evidence, I will apologise to you for making such a statement.

Your move.

 

[pakeha]

You're certainly inferring a lot beyond what I said.

Does that seem wise?

In light of your posts to date, wise or not, it's certainly reasonable.

Another wide sweeping generalization of a 21,000 post thread by people who can't just let the posts speak for themselves. ....

Oh, DOC!

And, just so you know, here are some of the comments I've culled from the Biblical Studies list on a recent debate ...I felt the need to let everyone know I wasn't blowing smoke.

Ah.
Link, please?
And was there some reason for including those comments on this particular thread?
What do those debates you cite have to do with whether the NT authors told the truth?

 

[Elizabeth I]

I have presented plenty of evidence that what they believed was true in my 2500+ posts. Do you want me to present some of it for the umpteenth time?

How about you just present it for the first time and then we can work on getting the total to umpteen?

However, thank you for the question mark.

 

[Akhenaten]

DOC, every one of your 2500 posts in these threads has been completely devoid of evidence supporting your contention that the NT writers told the truth.

So far, you've provided claims that they believed stuff, but no evidence that what they believed was the truth...

Another wide sweeping generalization of a 21,000 post thread by people who can't just let the posts speak for themselves.

I really would like to see you attempt to explain what you mean here, DOC, because I can't make any sense of it at all. If people didn't think their posts were going to speak for themselves, as it were, why the dickens would they have made them?

And what mechanism do you believe exists for one poster to prevent the words of another from being read?

Your statement is completely false. I have presented plenty of evidence that what they believed was true in my 2500+ posts. Do you want me to present some of it for the umpteenth time?

Presenting stuff umpteen times is what you do best, DOC, so fill yer boots.
Don't expect, however, that anyone will be pretending that your never-ending stream of logical fallacies and lying for Jeebus even resembles evidence.

In addition to being one of those people in here who make wide sweeping generalizations concerning the thread, I think you are one of those (in here) who just can't seem to grasp the difference between the word "evidence" and the word "proof".

And the first fallacy out of the barrier for this round is the non sequitur.

I might put a quid on special pleading for the place.

 

[joobz]

Another wide sweeping generalization of a 21,000 post thread by people who can't just let the posts speak for themselves. Your statement is completely false. I have presented plenty of evidence that what they believed was true in my 2500+ posts. Do you want me to present some of it for the umpteenth time?

In addition to being one of those people in here who make wide sweeping generalizations concerning the thread, I think you are one of those (in here) who just can't seem to grasp the difference between the word "evidence" and the word "proof".

This isn't a word game. it's a statement of fact. Nothing you presented supports the idea that the bible writers told the truth. At best, it only supports the notion that they believed what they wrote.

 

[GrandMasterFox]

Another wide sweeping generalization of a 21,000 post thread by people who can't just let the posts speak for themselves.

I completely agree DOC. Your posts should speak for themselves.

Last I checked, your posts got at least 2 people to completely reject their faith in christ. That speaks for itself indeed.

I never thought I'd say this, but maybe we do need more people like you around

 

[nvidiot]

I am one of the foolish who have read both parts of this thread in their entirety. This was punishing, because I was introduced to the fact that DOC appears singularly incapable of understanding the criticisms of his arguments, and subsequently incapable of responding to them beyond restating it ad nauseum.

I doubt that anyone even briefly dipping into this monstrosity of logic could come away with anything but the same conclusion.

Why on earth do you continue DOC? You're not helping your case, you're actively destroying it by constantly referring to debunked, dismissed and demonstrably wrong posts you have made.

Come to think of it, is there any chance that DOC is David Barton?

 

[DOC]

Some Evidence the New Testament writers told the truth.

Feel free to repost anything you consider is evidence that the writers told the truth...

The most obvious evidence is a body that has been missing for 2000 years belonging to a famous historical person that most biblical scholars believe was crucified in Jerusalem on the orders of Pontius Pilate.

From Wiki on the historical Jesus

The majority of biblical scholars who study Early Christianity believe that the Gospels do contain some reliable information about Jesus,[7][8][9] agreeing that Jesus was a Jew who was regarded as a teacher and healer, that he was baptized by John the Baptist, and was crucified in Jerusalem on the orders of the Roman Prefect of Judaea, Pontius Pilate, on the charge of sedition against the Roman Empire.[10][11][12][13][14][15][16][17][18][19][20]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

When you claim someone was resurrected, the fact that the body is missing is some evidence, it is not proof, but it is some evidence. Even the Jews wrote hundreds of years later they believe the body was stolen. What does this tell us. It tells us the Jews believed Jesus existed and they believe the tomb was empty. But the Jews have not presented any evidence the body was stolen.

Evidence (not proof) for the Resurrection of this historical person named Jesus (that the majority of biblical scholars believed existed and was crucified on the orders of Pontius Pilate) has been given:

http://www.leaderu.com/everystudent/easter/articles/josh2.html

The very first post of Part 1 of this thread gave some evidence that the NT writers told the truth. That post could have been written better by myself. It would probably be better to read Chapter 11 of the book cited in post #1 as it is much more complete. Here it is:

http://books.google.com/books?id=PC...6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Geisler 10 reasons&f=false

The following 2 posts give more evidence

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=5959646#post5959646

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=6366925#post6366925

Bottom line is there is much evidence the NT writers told the truth. It is not absolute proof but it is clearly evidence.

 

[pakeha]

The most obvious evidence is a body that has been missing for 2000 years belonging to a famous historical person that most biblical scholars believe was crucified in Jerusalem on the orders of Pontius Pilate. ...

Ummm.
What evidence is there the body's missing?
Or in the event it is, how is that evidence for the truthfulness of the NT writers?
Wasn't this idea debunked some time ago, DOC?

http://www.leaderu.com/everystudent/easter/articles/josh2.html

How many times have you cited this tired old source and how many times has it been debunked here on this thread?

The very first post of Part 1 of this thread gave some evidence that the NT writers told the truth.

Again, DOC, that post was debunked very early on!
Memory playing tricks?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=5959646#post5959646

Sir Luke and the 5,000 manuscripts, again?
Have you no shame?


http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=6366925#post6366925[/QUOTE]

That list was debunked long ago, DOC.

I'm very disappointed in you, DOC.
So many pages on and you offer nothing but stale reruns?

 

[Akhenaten]

The most obvious evidence is a body that has been missing for 2000 years belonging to a famous historical person that most biblical scholars believe was crucified in Jerusalem on the orders of Pontius Pilate.

How is this not exactly the same as the evidence we have for the Minotaur, Count Dracula and Merlin the Magician?

When you claim someone was resurrected, the fact that the body is missing is some evidence, it is not proof, but it is some evidence.

Drivel.

Even the Jews wrote hundreds of years later they believe the body was stolen. What does this tell us. It tells us the Jews believed Jesus existed and they believe the tomb was empty. But the Jews have not presented any evidence the body was stolen.

What tomb?

Evidence (not proof) for the Resurrection of this historical person named Jesus (that the majority of biblical scholars believed existed and was crucified on the orders of Pontius Pilate) has been given:

Even if you had rock-solid evidence that this person existed and was crucified it's not even close to being evidence for his resurrection.

The very first post of Part 1 of this thread gave some evidence that the NT writers told the truth.

Horse feathers.

Bottom line is there is much evidence the NT writers told the truth. It is not absolute proof but it is clearly evidence.

The bottom line is that you don't even know what evidence is.

 

[zooterkin]

Since DOC has merely returned with more drivel that has been trashed several times already, I feel it is more important to note the departure, temporarily, I hope, of Lothian. He will be missed.

 

[Mojo]

Even the Jews wrote hundreds of years later they believe the body was stolen.

Do you see the problems with the bits I've put in bold?

What does this tell us.

That you still don't know when to use a question mark.

It tells us the Jews believed Jesus existed and they believe the tomb was empty. But the Jews have not presented any evidence the body was stolen.

Or that it even existed.

 

[Quinn]

Last I checked, your posts got at least 2 people to completely reject their faith in christ. That speaks for itself indeed.

Did that really happen, and if so, got links? I don't actively keep up with Doc threads, but that sounds like it would be worth checking out.

 

[Think_Tank]

I could be wrong, but I believe one of them was carlitos. However, I'm not going to risk my sanity by trawling through that thread to verify it

 

[Aepervius]

Since DOC has merely returned with more drivel that has been trashed several times already, I feel it is more important to note the departure, temporarily, I hope, of Lothian. He will be missed.

What was his avatar ? I remember people by the picture avatar, not by the username.

 

[Mojo]

What was his avatar ?

Here's a clue.

 

[GrandMasterFox]

Did that really happen, and if so, got links? I don't actively keep up with Doc threads, but that sounds like it would be worth checking out.

Yep. That indeed happened. You'll pardon me if it'll take me a while going over all the rubbish in the other thread and provide links. But I'll do my best

So far, DOC has added 2 more reasonable people to the world so who knows. Maybe he is just someone trolling and and hoping to deconvert in his own manner.

 

[Aepervius]

Here's a clue.

off topic : He does not have an avatar on that.... Was it the picture with the head with the spike (might have been status liberty) ? If it is I will miss him.

Ontopic : I see nobody picked up much on OCapitain post. I am not sure what to make out of it from the thread either. OCapitain maybe you could clarify your stance on a thread separate ?