1,600 verified architectural and engineering professionals

ergo said:
No, he's right. I think we're in the majority now. The only thing they have on their side is ignorance (both innocent and willful) and inertia. That's their "majority". ;)
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1,600 out of 3,500,000+ is a majority?
 
Marokkaan said:
http://cms.ae911truth.org/en/home.html
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Gage's Morons on 911. Are these nuts a subset of mentally ill architects and engineers? What is your point? It would be cool if you picked something to comment on about 1600 morons who can't figure out 911 and have to ask for a new investigation when they failed to understand the many already done. Big failure on your OP and with 1600 morons. Proof they are failed, no Pulitzer Prize for breaking what would be, if it was not a delusional groups of nuts, the biggest story in history. Big failure.

Why are they morons? Because they have no evidence to support their claims, and you can't do anything about it.

If you posted this to point out how many idiots fall for Gage's fraud, you did good. But you failed if you think there is substance to Gage's failed organization, save the 300k/yr they take in from suckers. Gage is making money fooling people. Did you fall for his moronic claims?

After reviewing all the nut at Gage's travel club for one, I found no evidence, no substance. What specifically did you find? Nonsense, but do you understand? Gage is the personification of fraud.
 
beachnut said:
Gage's Morons on 911. Are these nuts a subset of mentally ill architects and engineers? What is your point? It would be cool if you picked something to comment on about 1600 morons who can't figure out 911 and have to ask for a new investigation when they failed to understand the many already done. Big failure on your OP and with 1600 morons. Proof they are failed, no Pulitzer Prize for breaking what would be, if it was not a delusional groups of nuts, the biggest story in history. Big failure.
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Nonsense, there are much bigger stories in history to be broken still. Like The Peloponnesian War or The Fall of the Roman Empire. 9/11 is nothing, a mere bagatelle I tell you.

Just a bit of the same old hoaxing from the usual suspects. Not interesting, not talented, not even particular wicked really; merely boring, unimaginative and somewhat pathetic.
 
little grey rabbit said:
Nonsense, there are much bigger stories in history to be broken still. Like The Peloponnesian War or The Fall of the Roman Empire. 9/11 is nothing, a mere bagatelle I tell you.

Just a bit of the same old hoaxing from the usual suspects. Not interesting, not talented, not even particular wicked really; merely boring, unimaginative and somewhat pathetic.
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Being consistently wrong, is your big skill. Keep up the good work.

1600 nuts, who can't think for themselves, all wrong on 911. If you support them you lack knowledge in many fields, which you confirm every chance you get. You can't find any evidence to support their claim, which leaves you supporting nonsensical lies.

1600 who can't figure out 911. Why do you celebrate ignorance?
 
little grey rabbit said:
Nonsense, there are much bigger stories in history to be broken still. Like The Peloponnesian War or The Fall of the Roman Empire. 9/11 is nothing, a mere bagatelle I tell you.

Just a bit of the same old hoaxing from the usual suspects. Not interesting, not talented, not even particular wicked really; merely boring, unimaginative and somewhat pathetic.
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Our guides described the life and guilt of each culprit; the severest torments were reserved for those who in life had been liars and written false history; the class was numerous, and included Ctesias of Cnidus, and Herodotus. The fact was an encouragement to me, knowing that I had never told a lie.

Me neither.

A mere bagatelle, beachnut, I tell you. Widen your gaze and if you could see your way to returning to answer my question on the Pentagon Punchout thread, my gratitude would know no bounds.
 
tmd2_1 said:
Again I'm not sure what you are talking about.
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In short, Marrokan is attempting to make an insignificant number more important than it really is, when the numbers are not backed by any science.

tmd2_1 said:
Majority?
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By majority, I'm referring to marrokan's reference to "1,600 architects and engineers" being a tiny fraction of one percent of just the architect population in one country on the planet, with absolutely no factual, or otherwise incriminating materials backing their claims. In comparison, we have 105,000 US architects (2010 figure) whom have approved over the last several years changes to the building codes internationally as a result of NISTS findings, and protests against them thus far have had nothing to do with the validity of the actual collapse hypothesis. Given the scope of reach that building codes have on the architecture and engineering professions, if the changes were based on faulty findings in the NIST report, then 105,000+ professionals would not remain silent.

tmd2_1 said:
What I found was hilarious he started out talking about how his 105,000 were real important, and comparing it to 1600, essentially saying that's all he needed.
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Marokkan and yourself raise 1,600 professions of different disciplines to a pedestal equivalent to a religion's God in omnipotence. Rather than have a discussion about the claims merits, you and he would rather measure things with numbers, which trivially you still lose at, and the reasons for which are backed imperially through commitments to the international building codes which provide a far better litmus test of the professional environment than petitions which set out to accomplish nothing.


You want to show me influence? Get the off the numbers and show me results. What have your 1,600 architects done to demonstrate that they're even remotely competent? Screw calling them fakes, they're sporting theories as professionals. Knowingly distorting the experience in one's profession and the concepts involved is worse than being fakes any day of the week.

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He then ended up accusing me of following a majority and not listening to the actual claims? Really makes you wonder.
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Again, when I see someone plastering numbers to make an appeal to popularity, I expect good information to back that up. Have your 1600 experts tried protesting the code changes for example? Absolutely not. Their evidence doesn't even stand up to the scrutiny that would prove them to be competent, let alone be able to show the changes to be based on a false hypothesis. Sorry if I sound like an ass, but I have no sympathy anymore for incompetents,much less for those who parrot them.

They made up a petition and they sell products on a website. Beyond a few faux lectures, they done very little to advance any sense of "justice." In short they've done nothing... I call it as I see it
 
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Myriad said:
9/11 was a loaf of French bread?
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Might you be thinking of baguette? Or simply Le (or is it La?) Pain?

Bagatelle is game a kin to billiards

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As you can see remarkably similar to the landing gear moving between the pillars of the Pentagon prior to punchout.

Although bagatelle has other meanings as well, maybe a type of french bread, but not one that I am aware of.
 
Im still wondering if there is a majority who defends the official conspiracy theory.

Does somebody have the numbers?
 
Marokkaan said:
Im still wondering if there is a majority who defends the official conspiracy theory.

Does somebody have the numbers?
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You live in Holland. I live in Belgium. You know as well as I do that nobody here even thinks about it any more. All the sane people know what happened,it's history now. Do you spend most of your time in coffieshops?
 
Originally Posted by ergo
Really? People with degrees in architecture have the same expertise in building design as Scott Sommers does? I see..
timhau said:
Well, slap me and call me Suzy. I just earned a million dollars. It was explained to you, and you still didn't get it, just as predicted.
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I have ergo on ignore, but I did catch this bit when someone quoted him. Well, thank you. In fact, I am personal friends with the chief architect on what used to be the tallest steel-structure building in Taiwan. I spoke to him about the collapse of WTC 1 & 2 in 2001. When I learned about this conspiracy crap, I told him there were people who believed someone had used explosives to make the towers collapse. He laughed.

Andus H. Brandt
Suffered work accident in 1985 after more work in the trades. Started Residential Design Business at home 1988, and soon moved to separate office. Studied for exams. Licensed 1999.

April Wethe Palencia
My experience lies in architecture for the people - affordable housing, schools and public buildings such as community parks and libraries. In the bigger picture, architecture for the people shall be designed and built free of the use of fossil fuels, so that we can get off of our foreign oil dependence and cease senseless wars such as this.

Bradley J. Marczuk
Employed & self employed at several firms and have designed, produced construction documents, project admin. etc for a variety of large scale commercial projects including: hospitals, office buildings, medical facilities, warehouses, schools, apartments, retail spaces, auto dealerships and custom residential.

Dale Williams
My job consists of helping to control billboards along landscaped sections of California's freeways and being a liaison between HQ and district offices for planting, rest area, mitigation projects.

David Joiner
Project type experience includes offices, custom homes, retail, medical, sports and religious facilities. I have specialized experience with BIM (building information modeling) and 3D computer imaging.

Dennis L. Lippert
I specialize in log and log integrated architecture.
I started out as a stained glass artist and went back to school and finished my architecture degree.
 
I have Marokkan on ignore so I can't see what he's saying. I can only presume he's asking for more proof that most AE911T signatories have little relevant experience. Fortunately, that's easy to provide. Some of them are so pathetic, it's comical. Honestly, if you had read through the qiualifications of some of these guys, you'd stop quoting AE911 as experts.

Dohn C. Swedberg
I still maintain my license to practice though I am semi-retired at this time.

Jeffry H. Shelden
Working in rural Montana on custom homes, historic preservation and main street business

Lamont L. Langworthy
Sixty years practice in seven states. Commercial, multi-family, residential, modular.

Leslie Simons
Landscape architect who immediately suspected foul play.

Mark Chavez
Started with the National Park Service in 1984 as a Historical Architect (preservation). Still with the NPS.

Peter M. Scaglione
I am a Builder Architect with over 35 years of hands on experience. This experience includes both timber construction to pour concrete. I have been a heavy equipment operator -crane, transit mixer,batching plant to basic house building.

Something I discovered while reading the list is that only a few of the signatories are both degreed and licensed architects. Some portion of the architects are "Degreed Only" and have no building design experience or even any experience that's at all related. For example,

Beverly White Spicer
Editor, photojournalist, artist, cartoonist and
author of two books.
Professional work history: research and communications:
Research Assoc, Physiological Psychology, UVA Research Analyst, U. S. Geological Survey
Assistant to the Publisher, TX Monthly Magazine
Programming Associate, PBS Station KLRU-TV
Photographer and photojournalist
E-Bits Editor, The Digital Journalist
General Editor, The Santiago Times
Earthsky Communications Radio blogger

Dave Kunz
M.S. Financial Management, Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey CA; Captain, Civil Engineer Corps, U.S.Navy (Retired); Commander, European Branch, Naval Facilities Engineering Command, Naples, IT; Resident Officer in Charge of Construction(ROICC), Norfolk Naval Shipyard, Norfolk, VA; Design Officer, Navy Projects, Republic of Vietnam; Publics Works Officer/ ROICC, Naval Air Station, Beeville, TX;

Gary J. Neville
Educated at RPI and UCLA. Real Estate Developer and Urban Designer in Venice California.
 
Scott Sommers said:
I have Marokkan on ignore so I can't see what he's saying. I can only presume he's asking for more proof that most AE911T signatories have little relevant experience. Fortunately, that's easy to provide. Some of them are so pathetic, it's comical. Honestly, if you had read through the qiualifications of some of these guys, you'd stop quoting AE911 as experts.

Dohn C. Swedberg
I still maintain my license to practice though I am semi-retired at this time.

Jeffry H. Shelden
Working in rural Montana on custom homes, historic preservation and main street business

Lamont L. Langworthy
Sixty years practice in seven states. Commercial, multi-family, residential, modular.

Leslie Simons
Landscape architect who immediately suspected foul play.

Mark Chavez
Started with the National Park Service in 1984 as a Historical Architect (preservation). Still with the NPS.

Peter M. Scaglione
I am a Builder Architect with over 35 years of hands on experience. This experience includes both timber construction to pour concrete. I have been a heavy equipment operator -crane, transit mixer,batching plant to basic house building.

Something I discovered while reading the list is that only a few of the signatories are both degreed and licensed architects. Some portion of the architects are "Degreed Only" and have no building design experience or even any experience that's at all related. For example,

Beverly White Spicer
Editor, photojournalist, artist, cartoonist and
author of two books.
Professional work history: research and communications:
Research Assoc, Physiological Psychology, UVA Research Analyst, U. S. Geological Survey
Assistant to the Publisher, TX Monthly Magazine
Programming Associate, PBS Station KLRU-TV
Photographer and photojournalist
E-Bits Editor, The Digital Journalist
General Editor, The Santiago Times
Earthsky Communications Radio blogger

Dave Kunz
M.S. Financial Management, Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey CA; Captain, Civil Engineer Corps, U.S.Navy (Retired); Commander, European Branch, Naval Facilities Engineering Command, Naples, IT; Resident Officer in Charge of Construction(ROICC), Norfolk Naval Shipyard, Norfolk, VA; Design Officer, Navy Projects, Republic of Vietnam; Publics Works Officer/ ROICC, Naval Air Station, Beeville, TX;

Gary J. Neville
Educated at RPI and UCLA. Real Estate Developer and Urban Designer in Venice California.
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lol lol
 
I find that hilarious too. Especially this part:

Scott Sommers said:
Something I discovered while reading the list is that only a few of the signatories are both degreed and licensed architects. Some portion of the architects are "Degreed Only" and have no building design experience or even any experience that's at all related.
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I'm shocked, I tell you, shocked.

No wait, no I'm not.
 
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timhau said:
I find that hilarious too. Especially this part:



I'm shocked, I tell you, shocked.

No wait, no I'm not.
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I know you're just fooling around with this. And who can blame Gage for padding the list? I'm just surprised that smart cookies like ergo and his crowd could run around claiming that the AE911 list means anything. I found all those people just starting at the top and going down. I have no idea how many there are like that. I guess that the number who obviously and by their own admission uninformed on the matter runs into the hundreds. For God's sake, the list contains log cabin designers!
 
Scott sommer can you please show some more ae911 architects This message is hidden because Marokkaan is on your ignore list.
 
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