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UFOs: The Research, the Evidence

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ufology said:
When I get more time I'll create an illustration that is larger and closer and in scale change the story a little more to make it fit my faith and sidestep any new contradictions I created with the last version.
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Fixed it for you.

About the only thing you could do is imagine a sphere of light about 15 feet wide. Note that in the illustration, this was just before the object departed and it had gotten much brighter, so the core size seems larger because of that.
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Nonsense. You can imagine anything you want. The flaw is expecting other people to accept the results of your imagination as part of reality. The ad hoc adjustments to your argument aren't flying any more than your fictional alien spaceship was.
 
ufology said:
On Google Earth:

Landing Zone: 50°26'32.96" N 115°56'34.17" W

from the LZ above it rose vertically as indicated in my previous illustration and shot north up the valley. From my vantage point on the west side of the valley I was able to see the mountains on the other side well past Radium. Just use the ruler tool to draw a line inside the valley as far north as you can. You will see that a line of sight is possible for over 25Km, and you can see how the mountain peaks make fixed landmarks. It went past all of them ... past Radium ... past Edgewater and on towards Golden. I just use the figure 25Km to make it easy to get the point across. Besides, the speed is already so incredible what more does anyone need? Divide that distance in half if you want and it's still beyond anything we've got.

I don't have any really good photos looking north from where I was, but if you Google Columbia Valley and Lake Windermere, Radium, Edgewater. You can get a pretty good idea of the landscape. The illustration below in the next post is also from Google 3D view. It is pretty close in scale and location as was observed standing outside in the morning.
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Some proof that it actually happened. Your fingers running over your keyboard are not proof.
 
ufology said:
Drs_Res said:
Could you take the image and indicate the core object minus the glow? Maybe as a red circle or something?

I'll keep in mind that the edge might not be 100% discernible, but a close estimate would be nice. You did after all say that it was about 15.55 feet (I think that was the number) in diameter, so you must have had some idea where the edge was vs. the glow. You can even tag the the red circle with the words "Estimated size of the Core", or something to that effect.

Thanks.
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Drs_Res

I don't think I could do that with any real accuracy on the scale of the picture I posted because the picture is too small. The relative size of the object to the trees as it neared them and landed behind them gave clues as to it's size. In this picture I can't really get that across accurately. Maybe if the image was the size of a picture window, like what human perception sees, but that's just way too big to post here and nobody has a monitor that big anyway. When I get more time I'll create an illustration that is larger and closer and in scale. About the only thing you could do is imagine a sphere of light about 15 feet wide. Note that in the illustration, this was just before the object departed and it had gotten much brighter, so the core size seems larger because of that.
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The reason that I asked for something close to scale for the core on this picture is because you said earlier that this was a good representation of what you saw. I was trying to picture how much of the "Object" labeled UFO was core vs. glow in that picture. Is it possible that you have the object labeled "UFO" to large, even though you are including the glow?

Another question if you don't mind. Was the sky clear that night / morning?

Thanks.
 
tsig said:
Some proof that it actually happened. Your fingers running over your keyboard are not proof.
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I must admit that I find it passing strange that people are interested in having ufology reveal more and more detail about a story that might just as well have been cut from whole cloth for all the value it will ever be as evidence for anything.
 
Ufology
you claim the object was about the size of a vw beetle and approx 3 miles away
please go to google earth and using the ruler mark out a line 9 feet long in the approx position of the landing zone
now use the ground level view and face the landing zone from your observation position

now your object isn't even slightly visible at that distance, and youre claiming you saw it through a window too, if it was as bright as the sun it still wouldn't be visible without binos

the only thing that fits is that you saw a small bright object close to the window and lacking any perspective you thought it was further away, then your need to see "aliens" filled in the rest of the detail

this is the only way your constantly adjusting story isn't a fabricated account
;)
 
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ufology said:
More misrepresentation. I've not changed anything. My definition was simply a short form for the word UFO in the context of alien craft as is included in most dictionary definitions. The word UFO is a word separate from the individual words used to form the acronym. The individual words that form the acronym are part of the word origin not the defintion. See below:


UFO: noun (plural UFOs)
  • a mysterious object seen in the sky for which it is claimed no orthodox scientific explanation can be found, often supposed to be a vehicle carrying extraterrestrials.

    Origin: 1950s: acronym from unidentified flying object
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/UFO


Consequently when I say UFO ( alien craft ), I am just giving the word context in keeping with it's common definition. So your personal attacks are not warranted and again reveal your self-serving, if not mean-spirited attitude with respect to anything that doesn't fit your bias.
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I define UFO to mean I Am Stupid so from now on when I see UFO I'll just read IAS.

Now you're IASofology.
 
Marduk said:
Ufology
you claim the object was about the size of a vw beetle and approx 3 miles away
please go to google earth and using the ruler mark out a line 9 feet long in the approx position of the landing zone
now use the ground level view and face the landing zone from your observation position

now your object isn't even slightly visible at that distance, and youre claiming you saw it through a window too, if it was as bright as the sun it still wouldn't be visible without binos

the only thing that fits is that you saw a small bright object close to the window and lacking any perspective you thought it was further away, then your need to see "aliens" filled in the rest of the detail

this is the only way your constantly adjusting story isn't a fabricated account
;)
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While I'm not overly interested in debating what is, by ufologies own statements, a personal observation (and therefore highly subjective), you make an excellent point.
I spent almost two years as a Recon Scout in the Army and if he could make out any details at that range, even if the object were as large as a tank, then should the bottom fall out of the Youfo market, he's got a new career waiting for him.:)
 
Oh, and the "pattern" described by the object can not be anything other than a ufo because it was not random? Is ufology unaware that repeated patterns happen in nature? Tethered kites and flags canbe moved in a repeated pattern by air currents. Tides repeat patterns. The seasons repeat patterns....


Insects fly in repeated patterns.
 
Tomtomkent said:
Oh, and the "pattern" described by the object can not be anything other than a ufo because it was not random? Is ufology unaware that repeated patterns happen in nature? Tethered kites and flags canbe moved in a repeated pattern by air currents. Tides repeat patterns. The seasons repeat patterns....


Insects fly in repeated patterns.
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where have you been ?
lightning bugs fly in figure eights
every two hours in mating season
thats in june
;)
 
Akhenaten said:
I must admit that I find it passing strange that people are interested in having ufology reveal more and more detail about a story that might just as well have been cut from whole cloth for all the value it will ever be as evidence for anything.
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There is some enjoyment to be had in his offering up new threads for some of the clever folks here to tug at and unravel the whole story in new ways.
 
I try to keep an open mind myself, since my father was kidnapped by aliens.
They took him up in their spaceship, made him drink lots of liquor, smeared his collar with lipstick and stole his paycheck. They then left him in a cheap motel out by the airport.
At least that's what he told my mother.
 
Drs_Res said:
Another question if you don't mind. Was the sky clear that night / morning?

Thanks.
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And another question for you, whilst you're answering Drs_Res's question if you will, <SNIP>. At any time during the sightings (night or early morning) could you see the reflection of the orb / light / UFO / shiny thing in the lake?

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Politeness Man throws his Stainless Steel handkerchief; name calling is never civil/polite.... Post <SNIP>'ed, breach of rule 0.
 
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23_Tauri said:
At any time during the sightings (night or early morning) could you see the reflection of the orb / light / UFO / shiny thing in the lake?
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Unfortunately we can't know if any answer given is accurate. Not because there is an assumption that Ufology is dishonest, but because so many elements of his tale are changed in response to questions. The memory is a funny thing, and if there was no reflection until you asked, the subconcious may put one there when he next thinks back as it "must have been there".
 
Maybe it wasn't there at the time but then some neutrinos came back from the future and put it there at a later date ? :boggled:

ETA: or forward from the past I don't know...
 
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Marduk said:
yup, as anyone who knows about the properties of photons could tell you
;)
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Or in the case of memories that seem to alter this often I think Terry Pratchetts "inspiration particle" is more relevant than anything like science. How photons act in the real world, and how they act after forty odd years of a remembering are entirely different. Memories are often more like dreams, and the version we tell others to make the story interesting become what we though happened, regardless of pesky facts. We see it all the time, people who think certain foods tasted better before, who remembered TV shows having better effects (or in the case of Doctor Who people imagining the sets wobbled, despite a lack of wobbling on the screen), people who are sure something amazing happened on holiday as a kid, because their family would tell them, rather than because it happened.

When any useful data changes too much, you have to assume the memory is not a good basis for investigation as you no longer have a datum to measure others from.
 
ufology said:
About the only thing you could do is imagine a sphere of light about 15 feet wide.
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Well, that's out. There is no conceivable way that you could estimate the size of a "sphere of light".

It's a "rookie" believer mistake.
 
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