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Texas Job Growth

Alferd_Packer

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Who benefitted most from Rick Perry's "Texas Miracle?"

80% of the new jobs created in Texas since 2007 has gone to recent immigrants, both legal and illegal.

http://cis.org/immigrants-filled-most-new-jobs-in-Texas

  1. Of jobs created in Texas since 2007, 81 percent were taken by newly arrived immigrant workers (legal and illegal).
  2. In terms of numbers, between the second quarter of 2007, right before the recession began, and the second quarter of 2011, total employment in Texas increased by 279,000. Of this, 225,000 jobs went to immigrants (legal and illegal) who arrived in the United States in 2007 or later.
  3. Of newly arrived immigrants who took a job in Texas, 93 percent were not U.S. citizens. Thus government data show that more than three-fourths of net job growth in Texas were taken by newly arrived non-citizens (legal and illegal).
  4. The large share of job growth that went to immigrants is surprising because the native-born accounted for 69 percent of the growth in Texas’ working-age population (16 to 65). Thus, even though natives made up most of the growth in potential workers, most of the job growth went to immigrants.
  5. The share of working-age natives holding a job in Texas declined significantly, from 71 percent in 2007 to 67 percent in 2011. This decline is very similar to the decline for natives in the United States as a whole and is an indication that the situation for native-born workers in Texas is very similar to the overall situation in the country despite the state’s job growth.
  6. Of newly arrived immigrants who took jobs in Texas since 2007, we estimate that 50 percent (113,000) were illegal immigrants. Thus, about 40 percent of all the job growth in Texas since 2007 went to newly arrived illegal immigrants and 40 percent went to newly arrived legal immigrants.
  7. Immigrants took jobs across the educational distribution. More than one out three (97,000) of newly arrived immigrants who took a job had at least some college.
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I find #7 to be particularly interesting. A result of Texas’s poor educational system perhaps?
 
Alferd_Packer said:
Who benefitted most from Rick Perry's "Texas Miracle?"

80% of the new jobs created in Texas since 2007 has gone to recent immigrants, both legal and illegal.

http://cis.org/immigrants-filled-most-new-jobs-in-Texas



I find #7 to be particularly interesting. A result of Texas’s poor educational system perhaps?
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Except your "facts" don't mean what you think they mean. From the CIS website, a broader picture (nationwide):

http://cis.org/node/2649
Immigrants accounted for just 34 percent of the growth in the working-age population (18 to 65) between 2000 and 2010, but 100 percent of the net increase in jobs went to immigrants during the entire decade.
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So Texas does better than the rest of the country at hiring non-immigrants.....

Looking at the logical errors you presented, I'm impelled to ask..

A result of the poor educational system that taught you perhaps?

;)
 
Alferd_Packer said:
Who benefitted most from Rick Perry's "Texas Miracle?"

80% of the new jobs created in Texas since 2007 has gone to recent immigrants, both legal and illegal.

http://cis.org/immigrants-filled-most-new-jobs-in-Texas



I find #7 to be particularly interesting. A result of Texas’s poor educational system perhaps?
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Regardless of your or MHazes interpretation it is the likely the reason for number 7 has nothing to do with Texas education system. Immigrants probably a took a lower pay or a job that did not require college even if they had it.
 
Alferd_Packer said:
Who benefitted most from Rick Perry's "Texas Miracle?"

80% of the new jobs created in Texas since 2007 has gone to recent immigrants, both legal and illegal.

http://cis.org/immigrants-filled-most-new-jobs-in-Texas



I find #7 to be particularly interesting. A result of Texas’s poor educational system perhaps?
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A large number of Texas residents (AKA, "Texans") are from other places, so your knee-jerk reaction is uncalled for.
A number of immigrants (I don't have the numbers) are a result of Federal Mandates (The F-35, known as the Joint Strike Fighter is a joint effort by several nations, and is designed and assembled in Texas)-and many multinational corporations have headquarters and/or major operations in Texas.
Most of the (high-paying) job losses in Texas are also from Federal mandates--NASA Johnson Space Center in Houston, the budget cuts in defense, and the refusal to sell F-16's to various "friendly" countries...
 
mhaze said:
Except your "facts" don't mean what you think they mean. From the CIS website, a broader picture (nationwide):

http://cis.org/node/2649
Immigrants accounted for just 34 percent of the growth in the working-age population (18 to 65) between 2000 and 2010, but 100 percent of the net increase in jobs went to immigrants during the entire decade.
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So Texas does better than the rest of the country at hiring non-immigrants.....

Looking at the logical errors you presented, I'm impelled to ask..

A result of the poor educational system that taught you perhaps?

;)
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If you bothered to acutally look at the charts presented in the paper you cited, you would have seen that the data for 2007 was identical to the data presented in the report that i refrenced. In other words, the trend nationwide from 2007 on is the same for Texas as the rest of the country. 80% of the jobs growth went to immigrants. A conclusion that is clearly stated in the report i cited and the point of my post.

Nice try at spin, but a complete and utter FAIL on your part.
 
rwguinn said:
A large number of Texas residents (AKA, "Texans") are from other places, so your knee-jerk reaction is uncalled for.
A number of immigrants (I don't have the numbers) are a result of Federal Mandates (The F-35, known as the Joint Strike Fighter is a joint effort by several nations, and is designed and assembled in Texas)-and many multinational corporations have headquarters and/or major operations in Texas.
Most of the (high-paying) job losses in Texas are also from Federal mandates--NASA Johnson Space Center in Houston, the budget cuts in defense, and the refusal to sell F-16's to various "friendly" countries...
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So? Why can't these multi-national companies hire native Texans to work for them? Why do they have to bring people in from another country?

From what you are saying, there is no shortage of qualified, NATIVE engineers in Texas that are looking for work.
 
rwguinn said:
A large number of Texas residents (AKA, "Texans") are from other places, so your knee-jerk reaction is uncalled for...
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True that, according to these numbers it looks like they are largely immigrants (legal and illegal), and given that they have chosen Texas to immigrate to,...perhaps the issue of the quality of education they received prior to immigration is indeed an issue of consideration!
 
Trakar said:
True that, according to these numbers it looks like they are largely immigrants (legal and illegal), and given that they have chosen Texas to immigrate to,...perhaps the issue of the quality of education they received prior to immigration is indeed an issue of consideration!
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Not that there aren't exceptions, but we get mostly Mexicans, and 8th grade is pretty typical (but don't kid yourself, lots of them really smart).

Alferd_Packer said:
....the trend nationwide from 2007 on is the same for Texas as the rest of the country. 80% of the jobs growth went to immigrants. A conclusion that is clearly stated in the report i cited and the point of my post. ....
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So WHAT is your point?
 
Alferd_Packer said:
So? Why can't these multi-national companies hire native Texans to work for them? Why do they have to bring people in from another country?
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Probably because those nations are funding part of the bill and want some of their native engineers to do some of the work.

From what you are saying, there is no shortage of qualified, NATIVE engineers in Texas that are looking for work.
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Close, but no straw.
 
theprestige said:
What is the employment rate among native Texans?
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What's a "native Texan"? The original Hispanic stock?

Go into any engineering division, you'll see people of all nationalities because of the way for decades foreigners have preferred hard sciences.

Alfred might have a point, somewhere but I don't think it's been clearly articulated and backed with evidence. Not that I personally think there is a "Texas Miracle", that's media nonsense.

But people are moving down here because there are jobs. I'm not sure why I should care if they are one type or another of people.
 
theprestige said:
I'll happily accept the Alferd's definition of "native Texan" in the context of his posts on the subject, if it gets us any closer to Alferd providing an employment rate for that particular demographic.
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From the report in the OP

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We're supposed to go dig for it?

Okay.

Shovel or backhoe?
 
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tyr_13 said:
They used data from the CPS, so how about you start with their definitions on their site.

What definition do you think would invalidate their findings?
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We're still, I believe, trying to understand the claims of the OP.

So that involves digging? Starting to sound rather dull...
 
mhaze said:
We're still, I believe, trying to understand the claims of the OP.

So that involves digging? Starting to sound rather dull...
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Yes. Understanding often involves digging. That's probably why there is so little understanding in politics.

'Native' in this context means 'native born'. People born in the state.
 
Weird. Wonder why they didn't use "resident vs non resident". Boatloads of people here moved in from somewhere else. Maybe half of everyone I know.

So that doesn't seem to give us useful data.
 
mhaze said:
Weird. Wonder why they didn't use "resident vs non resident". Boatloads of people here moved in from somewhere else. Maybe half of everyone I know.

So that doesn't seem to give us useful data.
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Yes, Texas population has more than tripled since 1970, mostly during the "oil boom" years of the 1980s (which is what brought me to the state). I guess the question is, how much of Texas' population increase came from foreign countries, and the answer is, "quite a lot".
 
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