And you won't cite it in simple terms here because you favor passive-aggressive control mechanisms like being deliberately vague and obtuse. Kudos.
CIA threatens "Press for Truth" producers over release of new documentary
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And you won't cite it in simple terms here because you favor passive-aggressive control mechanisms like being deliberately vague and obtuse. Kudos.
Really. I'm actually interested in this story, but CE can't get to the damn point. And no, I'm not going to listen to an 80-minute podcast or wade through an avalanche of dubious websites. Summary please.
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Come on. Honestly. You wouldn't want a wacky twoofie like me to summarize it. How would you know I got it right? I told you how to get started with this, that has to be enough. If you are honestly interested, that is.
edit: all this aside, the actual documentary is REALLY worth listening to. You'll hear from Kean, Clarke, Mark Rossini, Eleanor Hill and several others who were either there while it happened or while it was investigated. Also Bob Baer, Lawrence Wright, Kevin Fenton and other authors. A stunning piece. Second concluding part is scheduled to be released October 11th.
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Do I have to break the news to the truthers that it does not seem all that inside jobby jobby?
Actually, it shows the incompetence of pre 9/11 intelligence, the discussion of which has been over whelmed by idiotic theories like THE PENTAGON FLYOVER.
Oh, pre 911 intelligence sucked.
Oh Saudi nationals were involved in 911.
INSIDE JOBBY!
Your first link was to a 13-page thread here without any indication of what the relevant material was. I skimmed it, but the vast majority here didn't seem to buy the claims offered, and there's certainly nothing that qualifies as a summary.
I just want a summary of what you allege. I don't think that's too much to ask. The links you provided me go on and on about this guy said something to that guy who called this third guy who said not to send the cable to the fourth guy thus proving that the third guy was lying when he said he didn't know the first guy had forgotten that the fifth guy OH YEAH WHAT'S THE POINT.
Here's all I want to know:
Are the filmmakers, and by extension, you, accusing these government agents of intentionally allowing 9-11 to happen by failing to act when they had the opportunity?
And just so you know what sort of answer I'm looking for here:
[] Yes
[] No
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The OP of that thread is a good summary. Nobody throughout the thread has seriously challenged the information in the OP while the claims were backed up in great detail.
Yes, we are talking about intentional actions here.
Here's the interview with Richard Clarke the producers released in August and which made some headlines. You can call that a summary, although I and likely the producers don't agree with his theory to explain what happened.
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The thread of spam, filled with fictional claims/conclusions. We are talking about fantasy and opinions, here, 911 truth, no action, no progress.
The claims are nonsense. Feel free to apply for a Pulitzer! What is stopping you from taking action? Don't you want to be famous?
If you were right about anything, you would have a Pulitzer. What is stopping you? Part of your problem, you are not saying anything, and the implied claims you have are fuzzy, not defined, and not supported by evidence.
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Hahahahahaha! You didn't expect a yes / no answer to a simple question, did you? You expected it to be snipped from the response and ignored, then a link to yet another video that depicts Richard Clarke giving a theory that the OP and the producers wouldn't agree with, right?
See how it works? It's a game. The subject could be 9/11, bigfoot, or mysticism and it would be exactly the same. You can't argue with a personality disorder.
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Well CE?
What is your actual claim? Do you have a claim?
What is your actual claim? Do you have a claim?
At the risk of playing this game, you are saying that your "we are talking about intentional actions here" is a "yes" to the above specific question about these specific government agents (Frances and Michael) intentionally allowing 9/11 to happen?
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Together with others they prevented the system to work. Intentionally. This is not a matter of opinion, but of fact. I don't agree with Clarke about his theory WHY that happened (he may have come to different conclusions by now), but we agree on WHAT happened, because the facts are all there. Now do your homework or play elsewhere.
sheeplesnshills, weren't you recently warned and asked to stop your spamming?
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The yes / no question was Did Frances and Michael intentionally allow 9/11 to happen. It's really a simple yes or no. The question was not "intentionally prevent the system from working."
I realize that you don't want to answer a "yes or no" question for the reasons I stated above, but please stop pretending that you have answered it.
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By you?
How is it spamming? You are asking us to believe things you say and sources you link to and I'm simply pointing out to you any readers that you simply are not a credible source so that they could save their time checking your links.
If you cry wolf you can't be surprised when no comes running anymore.
The solution is in your hands. Stop defending the indefensible. People cannot see through buildings.
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It's only a simple yes or no question for simpletons. Their intentional actions allowed 9/11 to happen. This is a fact. Why they did what they did, and if and to which extent they were aware of the consequences, is a different question we can not know. Shouldn't we ask them, Carlitos? Hm?
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When you asked them, what did they say?
When the producers asked the CIA if they could ask them, they said that releasing their names would bring legal trouble. See OP.
Tenet, Black and Blee released a joint statement you can read on the producers website.
They have the names. Surely legal threats aren't going to intimidate truth seekers? I know that journalism is long from the salad days, but God, they aren't even going to seek these guys out and ask direct questions? Cowards.
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This game ends here, carlitos.
As I've said before, I'm glad that real advocates and activists don't emulate the 9/11 "Truth" movement. Otherwise, we wouldn't have the many, many real-world successes of groups like Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch. Pretending to fight against a pretend conspiracy takes a lot less effort and guts. No risk, no reward.