How is THIS not lost SUSpilot? (just a gentile reminder)
Sure, why not? Watching you flail is kind of entertaining. Btw, you really should be getting some sleep, rather than posting at 0300 on the sub-continent.
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Let's see. They were somewhere along the track of their orbit around the Moon, on the Sea of Tranquility. They weren't sure of where they were within a few nautical miles. That is not "lost"; that is not having a precise position. That's a huge difference.
Since the problem is one of timing, that is launching at the right moment to match orbits with the CSM with the least expenditure of fuel, as long as you're on the same orbital plane as the CSM, it doesn't matter at all where you are. All you need is a good datum using the CSM to figure out the launch window. The single most elegant solution was to use the rendezvous radar and back into the answer.
Please Don't ever speak for me again. They weren't lost as in not knowing where they were. They had a somewhat imprecise location on the Moon. Speaking for myself, as long as consumables weren't critical, taking time to things the right way is the correct answer. That is what is drilled into every pilot's head from the start. And if you're unsure of your position, the worst thing you can do is rush to a solution. That's why Reed was unhappy, in fact; before going with the radar solution, his worst case scenario was to burn a lot of fuel to match orbits, which he had to consider as a real possibility.
No, find your position relative to the other spacecraft and you can execute an economical rendezvous. As for cramped? Spend some time with me in IMC on a bumpy night in a Cessna 172. I'll show you cramped.
It was real. As for your existence, I'm not so sure...
How SUSpilot, is the Eagle not lost may I ask? I won't speak for you. Obviously, I am inviting you to speak for yourself here.
"Apollo Simulations" Flight Director Glynn Lunney wrote of H. David Reed in FROM THE TRENCH OF MISSION CONTROL TO THE CRATERS OF THE MOON;
"Dave Reed was the experienced hand at the Lunar Module, and the leader of the Trench team at FIDO."
Maurice Kennedy; Charles Deiterich III; William Stoval; William Boone III; Glynn S. Lunney; H. David Reed; Jerry C. Bostick (2011-05-13). From The Trench of Mission Control to the Craters of The Moon (E-book Locations 4056-4057).
THE LEADER OF THE TRENCH TEAM AT FIDO, if I may be so bold SUSpilot to bold Flight Director Lunney's ringing endorsement of Reed.
So is Lunney wrong SUSpilot? Is Reed really a nincompoop? He only had the most important job of anyone with respect to Apollo's first simulated LM launch from the lunar surface.
Reed wrote that the PNGS, AGS, Powered Fight/MSFN, maps/photos, targeted site determined coordinates, all of the coordinate solutions available to him that morning when he walked into work were 4 and a half miles at best from what ultimately proved to be the landing site. How is Reed wrong SUSpilot? How is it that the Eagle is not lost? They wouldn't and didn't initiate a simulated launch with the "spacecraft" 4.5 miles out of plane now did they? Matter of fact, as the phony story goes, the two ships were right in plane, didn't need to correct for that at all, not a bit.
So it would seem that Reed would be correct when he wrote that 25,000 feet, 4.73 miles give or take, that would matter, would make a big and very important difference in the simulated LM launch solution, because after all, they didn't execute such a 4.5 mile out of plane simulated launch now did they? They were right in plane, now weren't they?
If the Eagle was not "lost" SUSpilot, why even bother to have Reed solve for its relationship to the command module? Close enough according to you isn't it? Wasn't lost so that must be close enough, 4 and a half miles from the plane where Collins picked it up in the Apollo 11 LM launch simulation on 07/21/1969.
So what gives SUSpilot? Reed says the Eagle's position was not known well enough to effect a successful launch. Lunney says he was THE LEADER OF THE TRENCH TEAM AT FIDO. Do you know more than H. David Reed about this stuff SUSpilot?
I don't think so. The Eagle was lost whether you admit it or not. Reed did, effectively anyway, admitted that the Eagle was "lost", and turned around and "found it, found the "LM simulator" that is, with his reverse rendezvous radar solution.
