Clayton Moore
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The procedural mechanics of the Holocaust myth, as expressed by Holocaust mythologians, were physically impossible.
Your claim wasn't restricted to unloading the gas chambers. It's telling how you snipped the part of my reply where I asked whether Jews drove the trains or helped load the rifles of the guards. Evidently we are witnessing the start of yet another trademark Dogzilla retreat as a bloviating hyperbolic claim is cut down to size.
Utter nonsense. The Judenraete did not react uniformly to Nazi demands. Some refused and were shot for their pains, some committed suicide, some used all of the extremely limited bargaining power they had to reduce the impact of Nazi demands, some cooperated with resistance groups. The Nazis used a combination of deception and massive violence to carry out the deportations. In Lodz, the early deportations were organised with a great deal of cooperation from Rumkowski, who is one of the few council leaders who is sometimes considered to be 'guilty of mass murder'. But the September 1942 deportations, despite Rumkowski's attempts to appeal to the survivors on pragmatic grounds (sacrifice this group to save the rest), ended up in a bloodbath due to non-cooperation, as by then the ghetto was fully aware of what was intended for them. Some councils elsewhere cooperated before they knew exactly what was in store, others weren't even given the chance to cooperate.
The Sonderkommandos had a very simple choice, cooperate or die. Many chose not to cooperate, which is why we have reports of resistance, escapes, mutinies, mass refusals of certain contingents, as well as the fact (which is rather well documented) that three of the death camp crews revolted. The Sonderkommandos "shared in the spoils" in order to survive. Most, however, did not.
Yes, there's the easily understood standard whereby the people with the guns are held to be more guilty than the people without guns. It was exceedingly difficult for any German or Ukrainian to serve at BST without pulling the triggers on their pistols or rifles. This was not a dilemma faced by the Sonderkommandos, who didn't have any pistols or rifles until they revolted and broke out of two of the camps.
I'm not sure why you are assuming that the Demjanjuk judgement is some kind of new standard when it is in fact somewhat controversial and will be contested on appeal, by historians, etc. Of course, it does help you create yet another tedious strawman and paint a black-and-white picture, but unfortunately most commentators are perfectly aware that there was a grey zone of moral responsibility which was inhabited by people like the Sonderkommandos, who themselves were often wracked with guilt because of their decision to try to survive and their awareness that they had helped indirectly in the destruction of so many people.
From what we know, about 800 Trawnikis served at BST over the course of two years; more than 40 died after being shot trying to escape, or after mutinying. Some succeeded in deserting, but on the whole 90% obeyed. The number of Jews forced into the Sonderkommando role at those three camps could have been well over 10,000, and fewer than 150 survived, all after escaping or revolting.
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The procedural mechanics of the Holocaust myth, as expressed by Holocaust mythologians, were physically impossible.