Richard Gage Blueprint for Truth Rebuttals on YouTube by Chris Mohr

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sheeplesnshills said:
Twoofers. by default are assuming ill intent by others.:(
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Not Richard Gage. And not Earl Staelin, the local guy I first debated six months before my Gage debate. Those guys were models of respect in the face of 100% disagreement, at least with me.
 
newton3376 said:
Chris....as usual you did an excellent job.

You have far more patience then I think I would.
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Thanks, but in this "Dear Jeremy" letter I do say I have lost patience with him and will make no further contact or response with him. I'm not really infinitely patient, as my letter proves.

You know, Richard Gage and Earl Staelin spoiled me... two of the most respectful guys in the whole 9/11 Truth movement and after debating them, the response of people like Jeremy Hammond and David Chandler has provided a very, very stark contrast for me.
 
chrismohr said:
Thanks, but in this "Dear Jeremy" letter I do say I have lost patience with him and will make no further contact or response with him. I'm not really infinitely patient, as my letter proves.
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No one is :)

chrismohr said:
You know, Richard Gage and Earl Staelin spoiled me... two of the most respectful guys in the whole 9/11 Truth movement and after debating them, the response of people like Jeremy Hammond and David Chandler has provided a very, very stark contrast for me.
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The truth is that the majority of truthers...including the "leaders" act as bad as David Chandler/Jeremy Hammond or much much worse.

Richard Gage is forced to attempt to be the "public face" of the Truth Movement and as such he tries to be polite...especially with those willing to debate him.

Think about it.....Gage is running out of opponents to debate.

Mackey and Roberts have pretty much stopped bothering with 9/11 truth....most of the historical debunkers here have been through every argument over and over and don't post that much anymore.

You debated Gage a few times.....but your youtube video rebuttals are so well done and comprehensive that there is no need for you to debate Gage again.

Same thing with Dave Thomas....his 9/11 page on NMSR pretty much covers everything it needs to so there is no need for him to debate Gage again either.

So Gage is running out of opponents...so if he acts like the other truthers he will quickly find no one willing to debate him. The truth movement is either ignored or mocked by most people and so the debates tend to keep it alive....as if there is something to debate.

At this point....2011....we have

1. Several websites like Mark Roberts's page, Mike Williams's page, and Dave Thomas's page that cover basically everything.

2. Various youtube channels including Alienentity and your own that also cover basically everything.

3. This forum with thousands and thousands of pages spanning several years covering ever single truther argument.

4. The NIST reports, FEMA reports, 9/11 Comission report and other "official" reports/journal articles/papers covering various technical and non technical aspects of 9/11.

5. Several internet and radio debates between truthers and those defending rationality (including your own debate).


So why should anyone debate Gage anymore? Why bother?

THE DEBATE IS OVER.
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Well said Mr Newton. I am winding down too, because my YouTube series says almost everything I wanted to say. Alienentity and I (and others) have covered the YouTube realm quite well; Ryan Mackey's white paper will not be surpassed in its quality for a long time, etc etc etc.

New things do come up... I admit I was really excited when I found this YouTube, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GIxWjWA3Ec, which was a much better rebuttal of the lateral ejection claim than the one I came up with (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2538YN1l1nA). But mostly I am getting weary of the same arguments (on my side as well as theirs), and the personal attacks against me every time someone finds a minor error is real real tiresome.
 
chrismohr said:
Well said Mr Newton. I am winding down too, because my YouTube series says almost everything I wanted to say. Alienentity and I (and others) have covered the YouTube realm quite well; Ryan Mackey's white paper will not be surpassed in its quality for a long time, etc etc etc.
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I agree....youtube was the one area where the "debunkers" needed to have a bigger presence and that has been accomplished by you and others.....

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New things do come up... I admit I was really excited when I found this YouTube, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GIxWjWA3Ec, which was a much better rebuttal of the lateral ejection claim than the one I came up with (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2538YN1l1nA). But mostly I am getting weary of the same arguments (on my side as well as theirs), and the personal attacks against me every time someone finds a minor error is real real tiresome.
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That is a good video...I bookmarked it. The guy did a good job.

The personal attacks are to be expected at this point....it's 10 years after the event and they have not accomplished anything so they are very frustrated (and paranoid also).

The truther forums are pretty much inactive nowadays and the monopoly they used to have on youtube is now gone.

Soon it will be 2012 and we will see the beginning of the end of the Iraq and Afghan wars.....we will have either a new Administration or a repeat of the current one....and many other real life issues to deal with. With the wars coming to a close and us being two administrations from the Bush era...I think 9/11 truth will fade into oblivion in the face of real life issues.

I could be wrong...but my prediction is that by the middle or end of 2013 this forum will be basically inactive as well as the truther forums.
 
Newton, I predict a drop in 9/11 activity now... I believe the tenth anniversary was going to be a kind of "last hurrah." That's why there were so many 9/11 Truth videos, the Toronto "hearings," etc. At this point nothing short of a big scientific breakthrough (I keep suggesting independent dust tests but so far Kevin Ryan still hasn't answered my email... and that's the only email he hasn't answered) will resurrect them from a steady decline in interest. The country is moving on, even some of the people who believed it don't see the point in pursuing a lost cause.
 
But... does anyone know of an easy way to send out an email to all 535 congresspeople and senators? The NIST folks sometimes get demands from congresspeople's offices for answers to their questions, often several in a single day on the same topic. I wonder if some congresspeople would like to refer their consitituents to my YouTube videos, ask them to watch them, then get back if their questions are still not answered...???
 
chrismohr said:
Not Richard Gage. And not Earl Staelin, the local guy I first debated six months before my Gage debate. Those guys were models of respect in the face of 100% disagreement, at least with me.
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All the best con men are. They only would react if they cared what you said and clearly they don't. Sorry but the victims of cons usually describe the people who conned them as calm, charming, personable and believable. You assumed that they were good and thats exactly what a clever sociopath appears to be, they can lie with none of the give away signs that you or I would make......its not that they believe what they say, they simply do not care less, lies and facts are the same to them so long as it get them what they want.
 
sheeplesnshills said:
All the best con men are. They only would react if they cared what you said and clearly they don't. Sorry but the victims of cons usually describe the people who conned them as calm, charming, personable and believable. You assumed that they were good and thats exactly what a clever sociopath appears to be, they can lie with none of the give away signs that you or I would make......its not that they believe what they say, they simply do not care less, lies and facts are the same to them so long as it get them what they want.
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Sorry I just disagree. I've done 16 years of prison volunteer work and have met with mass murderers, child molesters, bank robbers... and con men. Lots of them. You can pick up on their sociopathic tendencies before too long. I've known Richard Gage from hours of phone conversations, emails, shared meals and of course the debate itself. I am not ignorant of people. He ain't a con man or a sociopath.

He's just wrong wrong wrong. That's what I tell him anyway. And he's obsessed with his cause. He totally absolutely believes in what he is doing and burns the midnight oil at his office most evenings. Sorry, he's wrong but he is no con man.
 
chrismohr said:
Thanks, but in this "Dear Jeremy" letter I do say I have lost patience with him and will make no further contact or response with him. I'm not really infinitely patient, as my letter proves.

You know, Richard Gage and Earl Staelin spoiled me... two of the most respectful guys in the whole 9/11 Truth movement and after debating them, the response of people like Jeremy Hammond and David Chandler has provided a very, very stark contrast for me.
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Advocating the new science of buildings destroying themselves made you victim to common sense and real, factual science.

David Chandler explained it like the teacher he is. Very clear to anyone without an anti-American or hidden agenda.
 
newton3376 said:
No one is :)



The truth is that the majority of truthers...including the "leaders" act as bad as David Chandler/Jeremy Hammond or much much worse.

Richard Gage is forced to attempt to be the "public face" of the Truth Movement and as such he tries to be polite...especially with those willing to debate him.

Think about it.....Gage is running out of opponents to debate.

Mackey and Roberts have pretty much stopped bothering with 9/11 truth....most of the historical debunkers here have been through every argument over and over and don't post that much anymore.

You debated Gage a few times.....but your youtube video rebuttals are so well done and comprehensive that there is no need for you to debate Gage again.

Same thing with Dave Thomas....his 9/11 page on NMSR pretty much covers everything it needs to so there is no need for him to debate Gage again either.

So Gage is running out of opponents...so if he acts like the other truthers he will quickly find no one willing to debate him. The truth movement is either ignored or mocked by most people and so the debates tend to keep it alive....as if there is something to debate.

At this point....2011....we have

1. Several websites like Mark Roberts's page, Mike Williams's page, and Dave Thomas's page that cover basically everything.

2. Various youtube channels including Alienentity and your own that also cover basically everything.

3. This forum with thousands and thousands of pages spanning several years covering ever single truther argument.

4. The NIST reports, FEMA reports, 9/11 Comission report and other "official" reports/journal articles/papers covering various technical and non technical aspects of 9/11.

5. Several internet and radio debates between truthers and those defending rationality (including your own debate).


So why should anyone debate Gage anymore? Why bother?

THE DEBATE IS OVER.
:)
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The debate is over. Those who believe(yeah sure) the official explanation are building bomb shelters.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Advocating the new science of buildings destroying themselves made you victim to common sense and real, factual science.
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That's almost worth stundie nom right there, but you really just kinda have cause and effect reversed. If you ever fall victim to common sense and real, factual science you too might advocate nuttiness like thermal expansion and static vs. dynamic loads and gravity and stuff like that there.
 
Clayton Moore said:
The debate is over. Those who believe(yeah sure) the official explanation are building bomb shelters.
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Ok. Cool. So what DID happen on 9/11? Since the debate is over, you surely have now a pretty good idea and a fairly complete and well-rounded theory?
 
chrismohr said:
Sorry I just disagree. I've done 16 years of prison volunteer work and have met with mass murderers, child molesters, bank robbers... and con men. Lots of them. You can pick up on their sociopathic tendencies before too long. I've known Richard Gage from hours of phone conversations, emails, shared meals and of course the debate itself. I am not ignorant of people. He ain't a con man or a sociopath.

He's just wrong wrong wrong. That's what I tell him anyway. And he's obsessed with his cause. He totally absolutely believes in what he is doing and burns the midnight oil at his office most evenings. Sorry, he's wrong but he is no con man.
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Chris I respect your judgement on Gage.

It is so easy to claim "conman" OR "He must know the truth behind all the lies" and similar.

It is even sadder when he is genuine.
 
chrismohr said:
Sorry I just disagree. I've done 16 years of prison volunteer work and have met with mass murderers, child molesters, bank robbers... and con men. Lots of them. You can pick up on their sociopathic tendencies before too long. I've known Richard Gage from hours of phone conversations, emails, shared meals and of course the debate itself. I am not ignorant of people. He ain't a con man or a sociopath.

He's just wrong wrong wrong. That's what I tell him anyway. And he's obsessed with his cause. He totally absolutely believes in what he is doing and burns the midnight oil at his office most evenings. Sorry, he's wrong but he is no con man.
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Did you find him to be very intelligent Chris ?
 
chrismohr said:
Sorry I just disagree. I've done 16 years of prison volunteer work and have met with mass murderers, child molesters, bank robbers... and con men. Lots of them. You can pick up on their sociopathic tendencies before too long. I've known Richard Gage from hours of phone conversations, emails, shared meals and of course the debate itself. I am not ignorant of people. He ain't a con man or a sociopath.

He's just wrong wrong wrong. That's what I tell him anyway. And he's obsessed with his cause. He totally absolutely believes in what he is doing and burns the midnight oil at his office most evenings. Sorry, he's wrong but he is no con man.
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When david chandler said this to you, you almost cried.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Advocating the new science of buildings destroying themselves made you victim to common sense and real, factual science.

David Chandler explained it like the teacher he is. Very clear to anyone without an anti-American or hidden agenda.
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There was a time, they believed their physicsteachers. Now they are adults they dont believe their teachers anymore :rolleyes:
 
Marokkaan said:
There was a time, they believed their physicsteachers. Now they are adults they dont believe their teachers anymore :rolleyes:
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What a disaster that a whole generation is being is being brought up and educated on a diet of lies and false science. How long will it be before somebody steps up and says 'ENOUGH'. ?
 
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