Merged Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga

[abaddon]

Added.

In another guise he also insisted he could see nothing in the LRO pictures.

1. P1K does not understand the difference between Cartesian geometry, Equitorial geometry, and calendars.

2. P1K thinks Columbia maintained a weird Lunar-stationary orbit at 17 degrees from the visible position of the Earth.

3. P1K has a scatological fixation.

4. P1K belives every bodily emission is in some way toxic. (my kids would not be pleased to learn this of their origins)

5. P1K Refuses to acknowledge any counters to his spurious arguments.

6. P1K believes he is unopposed in this thread.

7. P1K believes that any "true" doctor would block the Apollo missions.

8. P1K believes that stars should be readily visible despite the continuous sunlight present during the Apollo missions.

9. P1K cannot discern the descent stages and other equipment in the LRO images. They appear blank to him.

 

[SUSpilot]

I wonder if Patrick has gone quiet because he's had to be rushed to hospital with multiple gunshot wounds to the feet?

ROFL!! I'm stealing that one for the office!

 

[Patrick1000]

Julian and Bsselian Systems

Patrick please provide a citation for the 'Julian System' you claim exists. So far the only one playing with maps us you, unless you care to offer proof otherwise?

Something by way of an introduction here, Wikipedia type stuff. Garrison, click on Epoch(astronomy) on the first link page and this will take you to the Wiki article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epoch_(astronomy)

How to find a simulated command module, by the boys at NASA. Below is Figure A-3b from their June 1965 publication, PROJECT APOLLO COORDINATE SYSTEM STANDARDS. HA here is the "hour angle" for the depicted ship. In my discussion above, I mentioned this possibility, though suggested numbers referred to might be those for sighting the earth, in which case the proper term for hour angle would be "right ascension". Angle of declination will depend on the reference frame's "equator"(moon, earth, celestial, other).


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You can find and download the PROJECT APOLLO COORDINATE SYSTEM STANDARDS here Garrison.


http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19700076120_1970076120.pdf

 

[SUSpilot]

For the list:

P1K's humor is to Benny Hill's as Benny Hill's is to G. B. Shaw's (a nod to the folks on the other side of the pond).

Never ask P1K for instructions on how to connect to an international flight.

P1K is now listed as an antonym for "terse".

 

[abaddon]

Something by way of an introduction here Garrison, Wikipedia type stuff.

<delete messed up link>

ooo, you really messed that one up. The result is this:

The requested page title is invalid.

How to find a simulated command module, by the boys at NASA. Below is Figure A-3b from their June 1965 publication, PROJECT APOLLO COORDINATE SYSTEM STANDARDS.

ROFL 4 years before they went.

HA here is the "hour angle" for the depicted ship. In my discussion above, I mentioned this possibility, though suggested numbers referred to might be those for sighting the earth, in which the proper term for hour angle would be "right ascension". Angle of declination will depend on the reference frame's equator "equator"(moon, earth, celestial, other).

Would that be according to the "Julian system"?

You can find and download the PROJECT APOLLO COORDINATE SYSTEM STANDARDS here Garrison.

Maybe, but at least the rest of us understand that which we read.

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19700076120_1970076120.pdf

None of which supports your wild claims.

 

[abaddon]

Something by way of an introduction here Garrison, Wikipedia type stuff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epoch_(astronomy)

How to find a simulated command module, by the boys at NASA. Below is Figure A-3b from their June 1965 publication, PROJECT APOLLO COORDINATE SYSTEM STANDARDS. HA here is the "hour angle" for the depicted ship. In my discussion above, I mentioned this possibility, though suggested numbers referred to might be those for sighting the earth, in which the proper term for hour angle would be "right ascension". Angle of declination will depend on the reference frame's equator "equator"(moon, earth, celestial, other).


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You can find and download the PROJECT APOLLO COORDINATE SYSTEM STANDARDS here Garrison.


http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19700076120_1970076120.pdf

ROFL, so you googled "epoch" because you never realised it's significance until now.

 

[abaddon]

For the list:

P1K's humor is to Benny Hill's as Benny Hill's is to G. B. Shaw's (a nod to the folks on the other side of the pond).

Never ask P1K for instructions on how to connect to an international flight.

P1K is now listed as an antonym for "terse".

Yay, you got number 10 suspilot.

1. P1K does not understand the difference between Cartesian geometry, Equitorial geometry, and calendars.

2. P1K thinks Columbia maintained a weird Lunar-stationary orbit at 17 degrees from the visible position of the Earth.

3. P1K has a scatological fixation.

4. P1K belives every bodily emission is in some way toxic. (my kids would not be pleased to learn this of their origins)

5. P1K Refuses to acknowledge any counters to his spurious arguments.

6. P1K believes he is unopposed in this thread.

7. P1K believes that any "true" doctor would block the Apollo missions.

8. P1K believes that stars should be readily visible despite the continuous sunlight present during the Apollo missions.

9. P1K cannot discern the descent stages and other equipment in the LRO images. They appear blank to him.

10. P1K does not understand irony, nor even simple humour. He is oblivious to both.

 

[Oji]

P1K (as HighGain, pretending to be a mathematician) can't do basic trigonometry (in fact, probably doesn't even know what it is).

P1K can't understand the difference between "can't see", "couldn't see", "didn't see" and "didn't mention it".

P1K doesn't understand lasers. At all.

P1K has poor communication skills (I know, I am being too kind).

P1K doesn't know anything about medicine.

 

[Patrick1000]

Try the link again.

ooo, you really messed that one up. The result is this:




ROFL 4 years before they went.


Would that be according to the "Julian system"?




Maybe, but at least the rest of us understand that which we read.




None of which supports your wild claims.

Try the link again.


Whether they do or do not employ a Julian method for referencing at times, including the time during the simulated landing and launch, my points are still valid.

As a matter of fact, if they are just using that ridiculous map, seems all the better for me. I am studying both possibilities, as should we all.

 

[Garrison]

Something by way of an introduction here, Wikipedia type stuff. Garrison, click on Epoch(astronomy) on the first link page and this will take you to the Wiki article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epoch_(astronomy)

That would be the link I found myself earlier, again does not discuss any 'Julian System' of co-ordinates, so utterly irrelevant.

How to find a simulated command module, by the boys at NASA. Below is Figure A-3b from their June 1965 publication, PROJECT APOLLO COORDINATE SYSTEM STANDARDS. HA here is the "hour angle" for the depicted ship. In my discussion above, I mentioned this possibility, though suggested numbers referred to might be those for sighting the earth, in which the proper term for hour angle would be "right ascension". Angle of declination will depend on the reference frame's equator "equator"(moon, earth, celestial, other).

Again nothing about any 'Julian System' here.

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And it appears you've linked a thumbnail, more sterling work on your part.

You can find and download the PROJECT APOLLO COORDINATE SYSTEM STANDARDS here Garrison.


http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19700076120_1970076120.pdf

If you could just reference the page where it discusses a 'Julian System' of coordinates in that document, or provide any actual reference to such a system existing, ideally in a navigational context, then kindly do so, Or alternatively admit this exists nowhere but in your imagination.

 

[abaddon]

P1K (as HighGain, pretending to be a mathematician) can't do basic trigonometry (in fact, probably doesn't even know what it is).

That's actually funny. I did the trig tonight, but was holding back on the math to see if P1K had the wontons to man up to the math.

P1K can't understand the difference between "can't see", "couldn't see", "didn't see" and "didn't mention it".

Just more verbals from P1K.

P1K doesn't understand lasers. At all.

That gets on the list as is.

P1K has poor communication skills (I know, I am being too kind).

This one also.

P1K doesn't know anything about medicine.

And this one.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

Try the link again.


Whether they do or do not employ a Julian method for referencing at times, including the time during the simulated landing and launch, my points are still valid.

As a matter of fact, if they are just using that ridiculous map, seems all the better for me. I am studying both possibilities, as should we all.

Isn't it cute when they insist that even if they're wrong they're right?

 

[Patrick1000]

You do not understand what an angle of ascension is abaddon.

Yay, you got number 10 suspilot.

1. P1K does not understand the difference between Cartesian geometry, Equitorial geometry, and calendars.

2. P1K thinks Columbia maintained a weird Lunar-stationary orbit at 17 degrees from the visible position of the Earth.

3. P1K has a scatological fixation.

4. P1K belives every bodily emission is in some way toxic. (my kids would not be pleased to learn this of their origins)

5. P1K Refuses to acknowledge any counters to his spurious arguments.

6. P1K believes he is unopposed in this thread.

7. P1K believes that any "true" doctor would block the Apollo missions.

8. P1K believes that stars should be readily visible despite the continuous sunlight present during the Apollo missions.

9. P1K cannot discern the descent stages and other equipment in the LRO images. They appear blank to him.

10. P1K does not understand irony, nor even simple humour. He is oblivious to both.

Look at my post again abaddon. I suggested they may have sighted the earth and that the numbers may refer to the EARTH'S RIGHT ASCENSION AND ANGLE OF DECLINATION.

These measurements/numbers(right ascension and declination) are most decidedly not coordinates, but within a Julian system, or other systems for that matter, the Eagle's position could be derived. Sighting the Earth at that particular right ascension, with that particular angle of declination, at that particular time, puts one in one and one place only. And so the observers location becomes "indirectly" known, but so known with great precision.

Diagnosis; poor reading comprehension

Punishment; study my Julian Conjecture post along with the Wiki article, diagram, and THE APOLLO COORDINATE SYSTEMS STANDARDS MANUAL so referenced above.

And I would like to see a book report from you tomorrow on all this abaddon. And, I don't think that is asking for too much.

 

[matt.tansy]

Whether they do or do not employ a Julian method for referencing at times

The Julian date is used for computing astronomical positions because one needs to be able to plug in how many days between an epoch and a desired time into a computer and using Julian dates is much, much easier than trying to do the same calculations by plugging in years, months, and days.

But keep digging in your heels. It is so amusing to see someone so out of their depth trying to keep up with the big kids.

Tell us more about this "Julian method" coordinate system! I can't wait to read it!

 

[abaddon]

1. P1K does not understand the difference between Cartesian geometry, Equitorial geometry, and calendars.

2. P1K thinks Columbia maintained a weird Lunar-stationary orbit at 17 degrees from the visible position of the Earth.

3. P1K has a scatological fixation.

4. P1K belives every bodily emission is in some way toxic. (my kids would not be pleased to learn this of their origins)

5. P1K Refuses to acknowledge any counters to his spurious arguments.

6. P1K believes he is unopposed in this thread.

7. P1K believes that any "true" doctor would block the Apollo missions.

8. P1K believes that stars should be readily visible despite the continuous sunlight present during the Apollo missions.

9. P1K cannot discern the descent stages and other equipment in the LRO images. They appear blank to him.

10. P1K does not understand irony, nor even simple humour. He is oblivious to both.

11. P1K (as HighGain, pretending to be a mathematician) can't do basic trigonometry (in fact, probably doesn't even know what it is).

12. P1K can't understand the difference between "can't see", "couldn't see", "didn't see" and "didn't mention it".

13. P1K doesn't understand lasers. At all.

14. P1K has poor communication skills (I know, I am being too kind).

15. P1K doesn't know anything about medicine.

Let me know if I missed any other absurdity.

 

[Garrison]

Try the link again.


Whether they do or do not employ a Julian method for referencing at times, including the time during the simulated landing and launch, my points are still valid.

No they aren't because you have not shown such a system exists and if you are making references to non-existent coordinate systems your points are worthless. Adding to this you didn't know about the military phonetic alphabet, you couldn't understand why 'I' and 'O' were left out of the listing and you in essence seem lacking in fairly common knowledge let alone the technical complexities required to argue about Apollo. Frankly even by your standards your posts last few pages of this thread have been a shambles.

 

[SUSpilot]

"Patrick": you guys need to talk to your physics and/or advanced trig teachers at school before you post stuff. Your link to the Apollo standards is basically an explanation of how sextants work, with specifics so everyone building equipment and systems would be playing from the same page. No one would refer to a ground point, after using a sextant, would express their location in terms of right ascension and declination.

More for the list:

A well-read corporate manager and flight instructor has more on the ball than the high school kids that make up the corporate identity known as "P1K". (Abaddon, feel free to make that a bit more pithy.)

 

[Garrison]

<cut waffle>

These measurements/numbers(right ascension and declination) are most decidedly not coordinates, but within a Julian system, or other systems for that matter, the Eagle's position could be derived.
<cut more waffle>

Again please prove this Julian system exists. Whining, sarcasm, and cracks at other posters reading comprehension will not get you off the hook, show us this 'Julian System' that apparently no one else has ever heard of.

 

[Garrison]

1. P1K does not understand the difference between Cartesian geometry, Equitorial geometry, and calendars.

2. P1K thinks Columbia maintained a weird Lunar-stationary orbit at 17 degrees from the visible position of the Earth.

3. P1K has a scatological fixation.

4. P1K belives every bodily emission is in some way toxic. (my kids would not be pleased to learn this of their origins)

5. P1K Refuses to acknowledge any counters to his spurious arguments.

6. P1K believes he is unopposed in this thread.

7. P1K believes that any "true" doctor would block the Apollo missions.

8. P1K believes that stars should be readily visible despite the continuous sunlight present during the Apollo missions.

9. P1K cannot discern the descent stages and other equipment in the LRO images. They appear blank to him.

10. P1K does not understand irony, nor even simple humour. He is oblivious to both.

11. P1K (as HighGain, pretending to be a mathematician) can't do basic trigonometry (in fact, probably doesn't even know what it is).

12. P1K can't understand the difference between "can't see", "couldn't see", "didn't see" and "didn't mention it".

13. P1K doesn't understand lasers. At all.

14. P1K has poor communication skills (I know, I am being too kind).

15. P1K doesn't know anything about medicine.

Let me know if I missed any other absurdity.

He thinks there's super secret military hardware still working on the moon.

Oh and he's supposed to be 50 something and yet knows nothing about Cold War politics.

 

[abaddon]

1. P1K does not understand the difference between Cartesian geometry, Equitorial geometry, and calendars.

2. P1K thinks Columbia maintained a weird Lunar-stationary orbit at 17 degrees from the visible position of the Earth.

3. P1K has a scatological fixation.

4. P1K belives every bodily emission is in some way toxic. (my kids would not be pleased to learn this of their origins)

5. P1K Refuses to acknowledge any counters to his spurious arguments.

6. P1K believes he is unopposed in this thread.

7. P1K believes that any "true" doctor would block the Apollo missions.

8. P1K believes that stars should be readily visible despite the continuous sunlight present during the Apollo missions.

9. P1K cannot discern the descent stages and other equipment in the LRO images. They appear blank to him.

10. P1K does not understand irony, nor even simple humour. He is oblivious to both.

11. P1K (as HighGain, pretending to be a mathematician) can't do basic trigonometry (in fact, probably doesn't even know what it is).

12. P1K can't understand the difference between "can't see", "couldn't see", "didn't see" and "didn't mention it".

13. P1K doesn't understand lasers. At all.

14. P1K has poor communication skills (I know, I am being too kind).

15. P1K doesn't know anything about medicine.

16. P1k believes a "Julian system" of co-ordinates exists, but cannot produce any evidence of such.