Merged Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga

[excaza]

Alan Bean didn't see stars.

So what? It is simply not true. One would be able to see stars from the surface of the moon.

So what? Well, the response to the "what" is that people do not tell huge lies like this unless they are cornered or there is a huge payoff or both. Too easy to get caught, and they did get caught.

So what? We use our realization that with such a big lie come big motivation to understand the nature of the fraud, the logistics, the fraud's features.

No stars means no lasers. That is the motivation, no lasers. So now we know what this was about in part, lasers.

The lie serves as a clue to the fraud's dynamics.

At this point, your lies have become so ridiculous I don't even know what to say.

 

[Patrick1000]

I did not say one could not see stars from the surface of the moon, Armstrong did.

At this point, your lies have become so ridiculous I don't even know what to say.

I did not say one could not see stars from the surface of the moon, Armstrong did.

I did not say on the other hand one could EASILY see stars, Slayton/Shepard did.

I am merely pointing out the contradiction.

I also pointed out that Jay Barbree wrote/coauthored a book strongly endorsed by Armstrong, wrote/coauthored the Armstrong endorsed MOON SHOT, and in that book stated on behalf of MOONWALKERS that an observer could/should/would EASILY see stars from the surface of the moon, contradicting the commander's prior bogus simulated hallucination, or more appropriately, lack thereof. In this context, I stressed the fact that Jay Barbree is a sycophantic Apollo astronaut lap dog who fancies himself a serious "space exploration" journalist, but couldn't write his way out of a paper bag, let alone an Apollo vintage command module diarrhea distress poop bag.

 

[Erock]

I did not say one could not see stars from the surface of the moon, Armstrong did.

I did not say on the other hand one could EASILY see stars, Slayton/Shepard did.

Do you read other posts?

Armstrong/Aldrin had the side visors up on their helmets.

Shepard had his down alot of the time.


http://www.myspacemuseum.com/leva.htm

"The LEVA, like the EMU and most Apollo hardware, went through a few evolutionary steps. The first LEVAs worn on the moon on Apollo 11 featured the basic LEVA with side visors only. Apollo 12 added the center eyeshade with viewport door. Apollo's 13 - 17 LEVAs featured side and center eyeshades, as well as a hard shell cover over the thermal cover on top of the LEVA."


Now, 'scientist-bloke' - when you block out the peripheral light with side eyeshades, d'ya think that makes a difference?

 

[Patrick1000]

Were they wearing their helmets with visors down as they rode through cislunar space?

Do you read other posts?

Armstrong/Aldrin had the side visors up on their helmets.

Shepard had his down alot of the time.


http://www.myspacemuseum.com/leva.htm

"The LEVA, like the EMU and most Apollo hardware, went through a few evolutionary steps. The first LEVAs worn on the moon on Apollo 11 featured the basic LEVA with side visors only. Apollo 12 added the center eyeshade with viewport door. Apollo's 13 - 17 LEVAs featured side and center eyeshades, as well as a hard shell cover over the thermal cover on top of the LEVA."


Now, 'scientist-bloke' - when you block out the peripheral light with side eyeshades, d'ya think that makes a difference?

Of course I read your posts. Did you read mine? I am referring to Armstrong's statements in the Apollo 11 post flight press conference and the 1970 Patrick Moore interview. They are UNQUALIFIED statements Erock.

Perhaps if you would like astronaut Armstrong to qualify his statements, you should contact him and Moore yourself Erock, and make such a suggestion, see if Moore and Armstrong will do their interview over. I think the guys might still be breathing..

 

[Garrison]

Of course I read your posts. Did you read mine? I am referring to Armstrong's statements in the Apollo 11 post flight press conference and the 1970 Patrick Moore interview. They are UNQUALIFIED statements Erock.

Perhaps if you would like astronaut Armstrong to qualify his statements, you should contact him and Moore yourself Erock, and make such a suggestion, see if Moore and Armstrong will do their interview over. I think the guys might still be breathing..

Ignoring the pathetic little digs, a simple question for you Patrick, did Armstrong say he didn't see any stars? Or did he say it was impossible to see stars from the surface of the moon? and do you understand the difference between those two possible statements?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

... do you understand the difference between those two possible statements?

Nobody capable of operating a keyboard could be so cretinous as to fail to understand completely.

Doesn't mean someone won't try.

 

[Patrick1000]

In Armstrong's own words.

Ignoring the pathetic little digs, a simple question for you Patrick, did Armstrong say he didn't see any stars? Or did he say it was impossible to see stars from the surface of the moon? and do you understand the difference between those two possible statements?

Armstrong said they, the astronauts, were NEVER able to see stars from the surface of the moon Garrison. He also said the earth and the sun were the ONLY objects visible from the surface of the moon and from cislunar space(qualifying that just a tad with , "some reports of planets", that the commander suspects might be visible, as below).

Read the Patrick Moore interview quote carefully Garrison and please, do not take liberties and change the commander's words. That is exactly what he said , one can ONLY see the sun and earth, and he meant ever lovin' word of it, for good reason too.

During the Apollo 11 post flight press conference, BBC journalist Patrick Moore asks the Apollo 11 moonwalkers;

"when you looked up at the sky, could you actually see the the stars and the solar corona in spite of the glare?"

Answering on behalf of NASA's trio of employees, neil Armstrong responded to Patrick Moore with;

"We were never able to see the stars from the lunar surface or on the daylight side of the moon by eye, without looking through the optics. I don't recall during the period of time that we were photographing the solar corona what stars we could see."

In 1970, Neil Armstrong was interviewed in a one on one setting by BBC journalist Patrick Moore. On this occasion, Moore again asked the question about the appearance of stars from the lunar surface. It's only natural. Of course we'd all like to know. It's what we're all familiar with here on earth, the stars, and it wasn't surprising that Moore asked this question first. He queried;

"Mr. Armstrong…Could you tell us something about what the sky actually looks like from the moon, the sun the earth the stars if any, and so on?"

Armstrong responded;

"The sky is a deep black when viewed from the the moon, as it is when viewed from cislunar space, the space between the earth and the moon. The earth is the only visible object other than the sun that can be seen , although there have been some reports of seeing planets. I myself did not see planets from the surface, but I suspect they might be visible."

 

[Patrick1000]

Professional astronomers weigh in on the star visibility issue.

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[Erock]

Did you read mine? I am referring to Armstrong's statements in the Apollo 11 post flight press conference and the 1970 Patrick Moore interview. They are UNQUALIFIED statements Erock.

Reading and understanding the post seems to be your problem. Now answer my question.

Armstrong had no side eyeshades. Shepard did.

Would that make the stars easier for Shepard to see, since his peripheral vision is not constantly being bombarded by surface reflection? What with you being a doctor, that should be bleeding obvious!

 

[Andy_Ross]

Can't you guess? He started making cracks about the LRO imaging 'Armstrong's dirty diapers' and was immediately unmasked. He just can't break his scatalogical obsession.

We 'Socked' him after a slip up that gave us a dead cert ID, not for his scatalogical obsession.

 

[Garrison]

Armstrong said they, the astronauts, were NEVER able to see stars from the surface of the moon Garrison. He also said the earth and the sun were the ONLY objects visible from the surface of the moon and from cislunar space(qualifying that just a tad with , "some reports of planets", that the commander suspects might be visible, as below).

Read the Patrick Moore interview quote carefully Garrison and please, do not take liberties and change the commander's words. That is exactly what he said , one can ONLY see the sun and earth, and he meant ever lovin' word of it, for good reason too.

During the Apollo 11 post flight press conference, BBC journalist Patrick Moore asks the Apollo 11 moonwalkers;

"when you looked up at the sky, could you actually see the the stars and the solar corona in spite of the glare?"

Answering on behalf of NASA's trio of employees, neil Armstrong responded to Patrick Moore with;

"We were never able to see the stars from the lunar surface or on the daylight side of the moon by eye, without looking through the optics. I don't recall during the period of time that we were photographing the solar corona what stars we could see."

In 1970, Neil Armstrong was interviewed in a one on one setting by BBC journalist Patrick Moore. On this occasion, Moore again asked the question about the appearance of stars from the lunar surface. It's only natural. Of course we'd all like to know. It's what we're all familiar with here on earth, the stars, and it wasn't surprising that Moore asked this question first. He queried;

"Mr. Armstrong…Could you tell us something about what the sky actually looks like from the moon, the sun the earth the stars if any, and so on?"

Armstrong responded;

"The sky is a deep black when viewed from the the moon, as it is when viewed from cislunar space, the space between the earth and the moon. The earth is the only visible object other than the sun that can be seen , although there have been some reports of seeing planets. I myself did not see planets from the surface, but I suspect they might be visible."

So he never uttered the word impossible, glad you've finally admitted that. There is therefore no contradiction in the fact that astronauts on later missions did see them, case closed. Thanks for owning up to your mistake Patrick.

 

[Patrick1000]

Doesn't look like Neil's peripheral vision would be affected here Erock.

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[Patrick1000]

Doesn't look like Neil's peripheral vision would be affected adversely here Erock.

Reading and understanding the post seems to be your problem. Now answer my question.

Armstrong had no side eyeshades. Shepard did.

Would that make the stars easier for Shepard to see, since his peripheral vision is not constantly being bombarded by surface reflection? What with you being a doctor, that should be bleeding obvious!

Looks like he's 'a' scootin' pretty fast across the simulated lunar surface there Erock. Probably could see pretty well too with his sun glasses off.

Guess that would motivate an astronaut to drop his visor and make quick back to the pretend LM Erock, you know, getting your heiny burned by way of a hot pulse of ruby red monochrome.

I thought those space suits were supposed to protect our boys' butts.

 

[Garrison]

We 'Socked' him after a slip up that gave us a dead cert ID, not for his scatalogical obsession.

Ah thanks for that, still it makes him sound much more ridiculous if he got nailed for poop jokes...

 

[Patrick1000]

Guess my last post eliminates the visor as a reason for not seeing stars.

Guess my last post eliminates the visor as a reason for not seeing stars

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

Guess that would motivate an astronaut to drop his visor and make quick back to the pretend LM Erock, you know, getting your heiny burned by way of a hot pulse of ruby red monochrome.

Your post quality has descended into into the realm of silliness. How many watts / square feet hit the moon? For how many nanoseconds? How far off target when Armstrong was on the surface?

When you find yourself banned here (and I expect you to eventually get banned, what with stupidity making it's own reward) you might try the Ikce forum. They're pretty uneducated over there, so your pseudo-intellectual pseudoscience wall of text blather should be quite the hit.

 

[Erock]

Guess my last post eliminates the visor as a reason for not seeing stars

Doctor in what? Stupidity?

The visor makes a real difference to light on the retina. Allied to that the fact that Apollo 14 spent 9hrs 21mins on the Moon compared to Apollo 11 2hrs 30mins, they had a bit more time on their hands.

Your comments on the nano second laser are puerile in the extreme, and now your whole pathetic-self-contradictory-internally-inconsistent-contrived-ridiculous line of argument has been shot to pieces you resort to trolling.

 

[abaddon]

So he never uttered the word impossible, glad you've finally admitted that. There is therefore no contradiction in the fact that astronauts on later missions did see them, case closed. Thanks for owning up to your mistake Patrick.

Actually, I can't see any contradiction between the two Armstrong quotes.

So where's the beef?

 

[Garrison]

Actually, I can't see any contradiction between the two Armstrong quotes.

So where's the beef?

I think Patrick1000(is that a reference to his thousand sockpuppets?)is trying to will a contradiction into existence by repeating the same nonsense over and over.

 

[abaddon]

"We were never able to see the stars from the lunar surface or on the daylight side of the moon by eye, without looking through the optics. I don't recall during the period of time that we were photographing the solar corona what stars we could see."

"The sky is a deep black when viewed from the the moon, as it is when viewed from cislunar space, the space between the earth and the moon. The earth is the only visible object other than the sun that can be seen , although there have been some reports of seeing planets. I myself did not see planets from the surface, but I suspect they might be visible."

It may help to excise the P1K verbal diarrhea (haha) and compare the two quotes from Armstrong side by side.

Once again, where's the beef?