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Merged Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga

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Simple question

ApolloGnomon said:
It would be helpful if you could have a point when writing these posts.

Also, if you could clearly delineate the difference between your words and the quotations from written sources it would assist us in knowing which bits to ignore and which to mock roundly for inconsistent insistence of insidious instances.
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The point is made in the answering of this simple question Apollognomon, take a shot at it'

Did the Apollo 11 astronauts see, or did they not see, stars from the surface of the moon?
 
Same simple question for you, Patrick.

Patrick1000 said:
Did the Apollo 11 astronauts see, or did they not see, stars from the surface of the moon?
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Did you see, or did you not see, stars from your living room when you turned on all the lights and looked out of the window?
 
Patrick1000 said:
Reed worked with SELECT and DYNAMICS to determine the geometry of, and ignition time for, the Eagle launch and its return to the CSM.

He claimed it should have been a "piece of cake really", that is, were he to have had the landing coordinates and a solid ephemeris on the CSM.

Not having the former, he determined the Eagle/CSM relation by way of running a rendezvous radar solution in reverse. Having done that, he had the requisite "relative geometry" and could make a recommendation for the simulated mission's launch time as well.
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Using what?
 
It is a huge issue

godless dave said:
Ask them. Who cares? Why is that relevant to anything?
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It is a huge issue. Neil Armstrong said in 1969 that he did not see stars from the surface of the moon, but then he turned around and strongly endorsed a book written 25 years later wherein his bosses claimed it was easy for all of the astronauts to see stars.

Who is correct? Neil Armstrong? or his bosses? One of his bosses, Alan Shepard, he walked on the moon. He says in his book MOON SHOT it was easy to see stars.

Who is correct and why godless dave?
 
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Patrick - did you or did you not see stars from your living room when you turned on all the lights and looked out of the window. This is a huge issue.
 
Using the onboard optics, sure - P57 requires aligning the platform using star sightings. Buzz performed this with the window shades up to prevent stray light from ruining his night vision.

103:22:30 Armstrong: From the surface, we could not see any stars out the window; but out my overhead hatch (means the overhead rendezvous window), I'm looking at the Earth. It's big and bright and beautiful. Buzz is going to give a try at seeing some stars through the optics.

103:22:54 Duke: Roger, Tranquility. We understand. Must be a beautiful sight. Over.
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103:47:19 Duke: Tranquility, Houston. We see the star-angle difference. Looks good.

103:47:29 Aldrin: Okay. That last star was Navi, and it wasn't too well distinguishable. I can see where that error could come in. I think for the gravity alignment with one star, Rigel will be quite good.
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(Aldrin performs another P57 alignment before takeoff)

There is no mention of the stars in the EVA transcript. Not surprising, given the lighting conditions and that they kept their visors down for the most part. Besides, they were busy looking at the moon.
 
I take it your answer is no

Jack by the hedge said:
Did you see, or did you not see, stars from your living room when you turned on all the lights and looked out of the window?
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I am assuming you are answering no Jack by the hedge, Neil Armstrong did not see stars from the surface of the moon.

Assuming that is the case, why did Alan Shepard write in his book MOON SHOT that it was easy to see stars? Neil Armstrong endorsed the book. Must have their facts straight .

Who is correct Jack by the Hedge, Neil Armstrong and no stars? or Alan Shepard yes stars easily seen?
 
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so why does Alan Shepard say they are easily seen ArmillarySphere???

ArmillarySphere said:
Using the onboard optics, sure - P57 requires aligning the platform using star sightings. Buzz performed this with the window shades up to prevent stray light from ruining his night vision.




(Aldrin performs another P57 alignment before takeoff)

There is no mention of the stars in the EVA transcript. Not surprising, given the lighting conditions and that they kept their visors down for the most part. Besides, they were busy looking at the moon.
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Alan Shepard and Deke Slayton in their book MOON SHOT said stars were easily seen. So, who is correct, Armstrong or Shepard? A quote from Shepard's book which Armstrong endorsed strongly;

“Where were the stars?” the myth believers then asked. The cameras that NASA sent to the moon had to use short-exposure times to take pictures of the bright lunar surface and the moonwalkers’ white spacesuits. Stars’ images, easily seen by the moonwalkers, were too faint and underexposed to be seen as they are in photographs taken from space shuttles and the International Space Station."

Barbree, Jay; Alan Shepard; Deke Slayton (2011-04-27). Moon Shot: The Inside Story of America's Apollo Moon Landings (ebook Locations 3607-3609). Open Road E-riginal.
 
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I take it your answer is gibberish, as usual

Patrick, you are a firsthand witness, yet you keep us on tenterhooks. We desperately need to know whether or not you were able to see stars from your living room at night with the lights on. Can you not see that this will give us vital information on the relative brightness of stars and domestic lighting, and the performance of human vision in highly contrasting lighting conditions which, it appears, is a total ******* mystery and has never been investigated by anyone ever in all of history. This is groundbreaking work, Patrick. You're a pioneer.
 
Patrick1000 said:
Eagle(simulator) rendezvous radar
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And Reed was too dumb to notice??:rolleyes:

Not only did they 'fake' the Eagle overshooting, they also had a contingency of fake telemetry just for Reed to create the correct co-ordinates, and this after they 'had to hide' the Eagle (from the Russkies who could track it anyway!) by pretending to fudge the various other co-ordinates, but wholy crap Batman, they went and gave the correct co-ordinates to LICK over the phone??????????

Facepalmingly stupid stuff:eye-poppi
 
Patrick1000 said:
It is a huge issue. Neil Armstrong said in 1969 that he did not see stars from the surface of the moon, but then he turned around and strongly endorsed a book written 25 years later wherein his bosses claimed it was easy for all of the astronauts to see stars.
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Why is that a huge issue? Maybe he didn't read that part of the book.Maybe you're mis-remembering what you read.

Patrick1000 said:
Who is correct? Neil Armstrong? or his bosses? One of his bosses, Alan Shepard, he walked on the moon. He says in his book MOON SHOT it was easy to see stars.

Who is correct and why godless dave?
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I would imagine it would depend on which direction they were looking and the angle of the sun at the time they were looking. Keep in mind Armstrong and Shepard were on different missions with different landing sites. I still don't understand why it's relevant to anything.
 
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Highgain banned at BAUT?

Oh noes, say it aint so.

So Highgain was a sockpuppet of Dr Tea/maryb/sicilian AND also a liar, and was stupid enough to provide the evidence himself?
What sort of a moron would do that?
I'm shocked I tells ya, shocked.
 
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