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UFOs: The Research, the Evidence

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I wonder what the U2s slowest speed is?
UFOs means alien to us and our technology.
Mundane means an explanation was achieved, unknown means alien to us, alien can only be 5 or 6 things that are left as an explanation whether it's speculation or not.
They do match with what we have seen and know.

Unknown does not mean "alien" it means "yet to be identified". A UFO may have no mundane explanation we are aware of, but that does not mean that the explanation is alien to us, or our technology.

Nobody has offered an explanation because nobody else was able to witness the event, and only have one, unvarified report to go on. All your discussion means is that it less likely to be a U2 than previously thought. That does not mean it MUST be alien in nature.

You may find this talk of semantics dull, but frankly, if you aren't getting the foundations right, no argument you build upon them will stand.

It is very unwise to assume that "unidentified" or "unknown" translate to "alien" or "outside of recognised science. That is a very large aassumption that will bias your attitude towards the data.
 
Why reply when you can't follow.
The people, [our family], are the family of people working at that Nike Missile base, do you read the links when posted, or are you just being a S.A.?

And how does that give them far better range of vision than anybody else? My dad was a fireman, but I would not like to speculate if the blue light I see at a comparable distance away was a fire engine or not.

Besides which there is a further flaw in your logic: Being the family of somebody working at a missile base doesn't make your family the experts. If it was the SPECIFIC family member who worked there and was the trained expert in aircraft recognition that would be a different matter. But we don't ask the sister of a bomb disposal expert to defuse bombs, or the son of a mechanic to fix our car.
 
Why reply when you can't follow.
The people, [our family], are the family of people working at that Nike Missile base, do you read the links when posted, or are you just being a S.A.?
I think what my good friend Arboretum Abomination Akhenaten was referring to was that an object seen from over 9 miles away would be less than clear.

I for one would wonder how estimates of altitude and speed were calculated for an unknown object (who's size wasn't known) at that distance? and I think that is what was being asked.
 
I think what my good friend Arboretum Abomination Akhenaten was referring to was that an object seen from over 9 miles away would be less than clear.

I for one would wonder how estimates of altitude and speed were calculated for an unknown object (who's size wasn't known) at that distance? and I think that is what was being asked.


^ Exactly this.
 
Interestingly the skeptics claim there wasn't anything that they could find to my story and so far no response to my response, they just keep cackling about semantics.
No, you are incorrect. If you read the thread, you will see that it has been the pseudoscientific UFOlogists who try to redefine aliens into existence.

The story is with multiple eyewitnesses and is the real deal along with my other observances.
So you have a claim then? No evidence?

But they are hung up on what UFOs means?
Not at all. If you read the thread, you will find that UFO means Unidentified Flying Object. You may also find a believer or two who try to redefine it to mean alien flying saucer but wouldn't you agree that that is just goofy?

Strange that?
Ah, good. You do agree that it is goofy.

I wonder what the U2s slowest speed is?
Zero.

UFOs means alien to us and our technology.
Mundane means an explanation was achieved, unknown means alien to us, alien can only be 5 or 6 things that are left as an explanation whether it's speculation or not.
Don't tease the pseudoscientists by parroting their goofy sayings! That's not nice!

They do match with what we have seen and know.
Yep, lighthouses, fireflies, oil well fires, Venus, and others.
 
So why are you bothering to post in a thread called 'UFOs: The Research, The Evidence' when you apparently intend to present neither? Perhaps you should should start one called 'UFOs: The Semantics, The Definition'.


Understanding the semantics is essential to the research.
 
Yes, that's one of the things that makes Ufology pseudoscience. In science, understanding the process -- such as having a falsifiable null hypothesis -- is essential. Jargon can be a useful shortcut sometimes, but it's not essential.
 
Understanding the semantics is essential to the research.
And yet you appear to be the only poster here who still can't grasp the concept of the null hypothesis. Instead, you continue to hang onto to an outdated and superseded (by the USAF itself) definition of UFO in order to hide the fact that you have not a shred of credible evidence for the existence of alien spaceships.
 
Understanding the semantics is essential to the research.

You meant to type, "Playing semantic games is the only way to keep the illusion alive for me."

So you're finished even making any attempt at an argument? Why did you bother to log on just to give a one line non-answer when there are dozens of other well-reasoned arguments that you apparently feel unable to address?
 
Unknown does not mean "alien" it means "yet to be identified". A UFO may have no mundane explanation we are aware of, but that does not mean that the explanation is alien to us, or our technology.

Nobody has offered an explanation because nobody else was able to witness the event, and only have one, unvarified report to go on. All your discussion means is that it less likely to be a U2 than previously thought. That does not mean it MUST be alien in nature. You may find this talk of semantics dull, but frankly, if you aren't getting the foundations right, no argument you build upon them will stand.

It is very unwise to assume that "unidentified" or "unknown" translate to "alien" or "outside of recognised science. That is a very large aassumption that will bias your attitude towards the data.

It starts out being alien to us the moment the government sends a U2 to investigate what is picked up on their radar and that it was not a threat.
The guy on the link I posted said his family at the base is who recorded it.
When he came back from his three-day leave is when he recorded the incident.

So I know that some in here aren’t checking or reading my link when some one else said, " they couldn't find anything about a sighting above Gary Indiana in 57 -58...

I gave you an eyewitness account with multiple witnesses plus with radar confirmations.
If they thought that it is a firefly or a light house why did they persist and send a plane, possibly a U2 in the vicinity to investigate it which caused it to accelerate straight up at unbelievable speed at which point the U2 probably went east and then north heading towards midway field.

This is what your response to my question :
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I wonder what the U2s slowest speed is?

RoboTimbo says:
Zero.

Anybody with half a brain knows I am talking about the slowest flying speed, why do you twist what is understood?
This is what you do with everything that is brought to the table.
So how fast are the atoms moving in the plane that is doing zero on the ground?
[irony]!
Just like what is in yellow above?
Are you kidding me?
20 people in the ally with radio reporting this, Nike Missile base has it on their radar, some one sends a plane up for a closer look, they possibly have photos or at least the military does. The plane circles around several times so the pilot is an eyewitness, probably told to be quiet about the sighting.

Tracking by radar of possibly two objects one known one not known.
Craft zooms straight up at incredible speeds.

But yet this UFO stays still in the sky for over an hour.
If we had some thing like this tech in 57-8 why are we still using explosive technology to move straight up?

So when it's not mundane then what are the possible explanations?
When you eliminate all other possibilities what is left?
It is alien to our physics.
You are then left with only 5-6 possibilities.
Extraterrestrial aliens are one of them but not all of them.
Just because lots of sightings have a mundane explanation does not mean that they all do.

I personally know that some of them are a conveyance that we haven't a clue about or not many clues.
What is being portrayed is that there is another way to move around in a manner that we have no idea about and or that idea is being suppressed by people in power and through greed of those people.
Because there are ways to tap into those electrical/gravitational powers that are prevalent through out the universe.

Other wise why so much blanking out of secret information about them in our government files?

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Akhenaten Originally Posted by ufology
Understanding the semantics is essential to the research.
Answer by Akhenaten It appears to be the totality of the research.

I'll say it again:
Other wise why so much blanking out of secret information about them in our government files?

It's still being suppressed.

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Edited... EVERYONE, please keep the conversation civil/polite.
 
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Help! Help! I'm being suppressed! Come see the secrecy inherent in the system!
 
Sorry, missed a couple of pages, so it was probably already said... But... Sending an U2 to check an unknown air radar contact is stupid. Hey, its dumb. Oh, its nonsense also. BS.

You would send something other than an unarmed high-flying subsonic reccon craft. This something would be an interceptor, a fighter jet. QRA if available.

Someone's gotta learn how to build a better tall tale.
 
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This is what your response to my question :
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I wonder what the U2s slowest speed is?

RoboTimbo says:
Zero.

Anybody with half a brain knows I am talking about the slowest flying speed
The same person with half a brain thinks U2's are sent to investigate UFO reports:
It starts out being alien to us the moment the government sends a U2 to investigate what is picked up on their radar and that it was not a threat.
and that it causes the UFO to suddenly become alien.



ETA: Beat by Correa Neto but that much.
 
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Sorry, missed a couple of pages, so it was probably already said... But... Sending an U2 to check an unknown air radar contact is stupid. Hey, its dumb. Oh, its nonsense also. BS.

You would send something other than an unarmed high-flying subsonic reccon craft. This something would be an interceptor, a fighter jet. QRA if available.

Someone's gotta learn how to build a better tall tale.

In yellow:Which you are.
It seems to me that it was available quickly.
 
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