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Debris removal specialist: Richard riggs saw melted beams, molten steel

Well it's a standard thing for truthers to link to other sites or youtube videos rather than use their own words.

I'm sorry if I've made a presumption with regard to yourself.
There is no presumption, it was an adequate framing of the question in order to force AB to answer in his own words, and made absolutely no implications about his previous posts. Honestly, I'm baffled by his response.

The reason I ask is because if I know your level of understanding then I can run you through some simple questions that will lead you to the answer to your question.

Please would you answer the question.
He can't answer until you show a post where he provides his level of understanding!
 
In this topic.......

Im asking you something about the observations. And you want to make a connection with the cause of it.

I dont see a connection to see the relevance of talking about the cause, when we are talking about the observation.

Why you dont understand that?
Right so there was an observation of molten steel... you say the cause is not important. So... end of discussion right?

Your logic makes no sense. The only reason you dismiss the cause is because the very same expert you are using gives an explaination YOU don't agree with.
 
Well it's a standard thing for truthers to link to other sites or youtube videos rather than use their own words.

Yes, it's called providing evidence.

I'm sorry if I've made a presumption with regard to yourself.

You aren't sorry at all. Just inconvenienced because I noticed your little ruse.

The reason I ask is because if I know your level of understanding then I can run you through some simple questions that will lead you to the answer to your question.

If you have the answer to my question then just give to me. I am not going to be taking a quiz.

Please would you answer the question.

Thanks.

Not now I know why you are asking.
 
Right so there was an observation of molten steel... you say the cause is not important. So... end of discussion right?

Your logic makes no sense. The only reason you dismiss the cause is because the very same expert you are using gives an explaination YOU don't agree with.

Why is it important to see he was wrong about the cause?

Do we have to dismiss the guy about his observations of melted beams?

Do we have to dismiss the 911 commission report, because one of the important persons said, jet fuel can melt steel?
 
Why is it important to see he was wrong about the cause?

Do we have to dismiss the guy about his observations of melted beams?

Do we have to dismiss the 911 commission report, because one of the important persons said, jet fuel can melt steel?

And again...

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This is from your link, omg you are contradicting yourselve again!!!

1. the act of conspiring.
2. to act or work together toward the same result or goal.


3. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose:



This semantic waffling serves no purpose, obvious troll is obvious. You know full well what people mean when they call someone a conspiracy theorist. Unless you're completely mentally deficient, the implication is blatantly obvious.


Marokkaan.....

Why is it that excaza figured this out in one post, yet you are not capable of figuring it out even when I spell it out for you?

You are either a troll as Sabrina has stated.....or you are mentally deficient as excaza has stated.

Am I using an "either or" fallacy? Normally I would say "yes".....but in this case I really don't see a third option....so the "either or" seems valid....
 
Why is it important to see he was wrong about the cause?

Do we have to dismiss the guy about his observations of melted beams?

Do we have to dismiss the 911 commission report, because one of the important persons said, jet fuel can melt steel?
 
And again...

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SABRINA!

:newlol

STOP THAT!

I cant look at that without freaking dying of laughter....

Those pics are too damn funny.....dear FSM
 
Marokkaan.....

Why is it that excaza figured this out in one post, yet you are not capable of figuring it out even when I spell it out for you?

You are either a troll as Sabrina has stated.....or you are mentally deficient as excaza has stated.

Am I using an "either or" fallacy? Normally I would say "yes".....but in this case I really don't see a third option....so the "either or" seems valid....

The debunkers can not even understand what a conspiracy means lol

Lets say again, your dictionary says this
a combination of persons for a secret purpose:

So now i have to ask you again. Is the bin laden project to kill a conspiracy yes or no?
 
For one thing im sure, i totally agree, he saw melted beams.

Please quote us where he says that he saw melted beams. You are sadly mistaken here. He says they DUG UP molten steel. How in the hell can you SEE something that is beneath a surface and has to be DUG UP? If they supposedly DUG UP molten steel, which was the end result, he never saw the beams actually melt.
 
The debunkers can not even understand what a conspiracy means lol

Lets say again, your dictionary says this
a combination of persons for a secret purpose:

So now i have to ask you again. Is the bin laden project to kill a conspiracy yes or no?

Sorry newton... one more.

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The debunkers can not even understand what a conspiracy means lol

Lets say again, your dictionary says this
a combination of persons for a secret purpose:

So now i have to ask you again. Is the bin laden project to kill a conspiracy yes or no?

Translation:

My position has been exposed as laughably untenable, so I will now argue about the meanings of words.
 
The debunkers can not even understand what a conspiracy means lol

Lets say again, your dictionary says this
a combination of persons for a secret purpose:

So now i have to ask you again. Is the bin laden project to kill a conspiracy yes or no?
NO



 
The debunkers can not even understand what a conspiracy means lol

Lets say again, your dictionary says this
a combination of persons for a secret purpose:

So now i have to ask you again. Is the bin laden project to kill a conspiracy yes or no?

Marokkaan.....

Enough.

The project to kill Bin Laden would not be called a "Conspiracy" by most people.

That is simply not the way the word is used in common language.

Here is an example of the words usage in common language:


"Truthers are wacko conspiracy theorists."
 
Yes, it's called providing evidence.



You aren't sorry at all. Just inconvenienced because I noticed your little ruse.



If you have the answer to my question then just give to me. I am not going to be taking a quiz.



Not now I know why you are asking.
So you don't know what thermite is and you have absolutely no intention of finding out the truth. OK.

Well here goes anyway. I asked you in good faith and I apologised in good faith even though I simply asked you to answer a very simple question.

The classic thermite reaction is

Fe2O3 +Al --> 2Fe + Al2O3 which is exothermic.

In order for this reaction to take place it must be initiated using heat. A high temperature is required. Usually magnesium ribbon.

However, if you take a 1 kg block of Fe2O3 and a 1 Kg block of Al and tried to ignite them with a magnesium ribbon the thermite reaction will not occur. But if you have 1 Kg of powdered reactants mixed together then the thermite reaction will proceed rather nicely. (I'm ignoring stoichiometric ratios for the time being) Do you see why it's important that the reactants are in powder form rather than bulk?

Now powder gives us some problems. If you are going to use powders to melt through steel columns then you will need a device capable of holding the powder. (Yes I'm aware of Jon Cole's experiments) or you need a binder to hold the powder together.

What this does in effect is make the reaction more efficient per Kg because you now have a far better chance of all of your reactants reacting.

So thermite goes of, melts through columns and WTC collapses yeah?

Now then. Why would I want to use way, way, way more thermite than I actually need to do the job? I've got to get my NWO operatives to get all this material into a building un-noticed and rig up all these devices. Why am I going to use more material than I need to? I've done the calculations as to how much thermite I need so why am I going to use more than I need?

There is a good paper by a truther that calculates how much thermite is needed to melt 1Kg of steel but I can't find it atm.

Edit - found it http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/JLobdillThermiteChemistryWTC

So my thermite devices have gone off, they are efficient so how much thermite is going to be left over? Answer - next to nothing, it's all reacted to produce heat to melt those pesky columns remember? So there isn't going to be enough to create "pools of molten steel" in the rubble pile anyway.

Right, now those towers are collapsing right. Look at the devastation and the dust. But thermite has a magical property even though it's a powder! That's right, thermite will always stick together in really large amounts. Andrew - do you see a problem with that? Here's an experiment for you. Get some talcum powder, put 100g in an open top container. Find a safe spot say 10m high. Now throw the talc. What happens? That's right it disperses. The talc is no longer concentrated, it's dispersed. Are you seriously telling me that thermite powder is going to remain intact during the violent collapse of the WTC towers?

Lastly how big are these supposed "thermite chips". What do you think they weigh? Grams? Tons?

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Now I wish I could find that damn paper that shows how much thermite is required to melt 1Kg of steel but at best, iirc, it's about a 1:1 ratio. So this supposed thermite found in the dust is so little that it wouldn't melt anything. Secondly it certainly wouldn't produce large pools of iron from it's own reaction. Edit - see above

That's why the idea of unreacted thermite reacting to produce large quantities of liquid iron, let alone further melting steel, in the rubble pile is nonsense.
 
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