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Debris removal specialist: Richard riggs saw melted beams, molten steel

Marokkaan said:
Do you have problems with understanding reading or are u just trolling?
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Marokkaan said:
Next step tell it to the other debunkers, so we had the first step and everybody can say, this guy saw melted beams and molten steel.
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For the sake of argument, suppose we all agree he saw beams melting and everything.

Then what? What does it mean with regard to the collapse of the towers?
 
Ok I watched the truther video again, NOWHERE does he say he saw this himself. We get a very short quote where he mentions it and explains WHY. It's one small part of an obviously longer quote. Quote mining and misinterpretation at it's finest.
 
Marokkaan is just another in a not-so-long line of people who think they know everything yet don't feel the need to back anything up.

Not one single truther theory has any relevance in the real world. Not one.
 
Oystein said:
For the sake of argument, suppose we all agree he saw beams melting and everything.

Then what? What does it mean with regard to the collapse of the towers?
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$1,000 dollars to AE911 if he can come up with a plausible answer, in his own words, without youtube.
 
Myriad said:
If you did not overlook the following points, you would be less confused.



He [Riggs] reported digging up hot incandescent (and considerably softened) steel. That's what he meant by "molten" (and that is indeed a valid meaning of the word.) I know that he didn't mean steel hotter than its melting point because that is liquid and could not be dug [or pulled] up, and he does not strike me as a joker who would casually report a physical impossibility.






Respectfully,
Myriad
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Dash80 said:
Ok I watched the truther video again, NOWHERE does he say he saw this himself. We get a very short quote where he mentions it and explains WHY. It's one small part of an obviously longer quote. Quote mining and misinterpretation at it's finest.
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lol
 
Debunkers and the relation with common sense, logic and understanding reading..

Hmmmm......
 
For the sake of argument, say molten steel WAS found. How does that fit into the conspiracy theory?
 
twinstead said:
For the sake of argument, say molten steel WAS found. How does that fit into the conspiracy theory?
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Twoofers don't do "argument" they have "Revelations" via youtube. They "know" they are right so there is nothing to debate in their eyes. Any evidence that does not collaborate their version of reality is therefore clearly wrong or faked, it has to be!:rolleyes:
 
Marokkaan said:
Do you have problems with understanding reading or are u just trolling?
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Oh I understand what you wrote perfectly. You want to discuss just the part where he says he saw molten steel because you think it supports your position, but you are desperate to ignore the reason he gives for there being molten steel because it debunks your position. :D
 
Redtail said:
Oh I understand what you wrote perfectly. You want to discuss just the part where he says he saw molten steel because you think it supports your position, but you are desperate to ignore the reason he gives for there being molten steel because it debunks your position. :D
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How much facepalms do i need to use today?
 
Marokkaan said:
No not he thinks, he saw it.

If i see you, its not i think i saw you, but i saw you. There is a difference.

Even if you are admitting, you still have to change it LOL

Next step tell it to the other debunkers, so we had the first step and everybody can say, this guy saw melted beams and molten steel.
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If you say you saw me yesterday at the mall, you may in fact be mistaken if I wasn't there. You may have thought you saw me, but you may have seen someone that resembled me, my brother or my twin.

If I see a magician do a trick that levitates a pencil, I THINK I saw a pencil levitating, but that's not what was happening. There is another explanation to what I thought I saw. Likewise unless there is some independent objective confirmation of what Riggs thought he saw, then we don't know for sure that what he thought he saw was in fact what he thinks he saw.

Regardless, what is the point of all this? So he thinks he saw molten steel. Now what?
 
Neally said:
If you say you saw me yesterday at the mall, you may in fact be mistaken if I wasn't there. You may have thought you saw me, but you may have seen someone that resembled me, my brother or my twin.

If I see a magician do a trick that levitates a pencil, I THINK I saw a pencil levitating, but that's not what was happening. There is another explanation to what I thought I saw. Likewise unless there is some independent objective confirmation of what Riggs thought he saw, then we don't know for sure that what he thought he saw was in fact what he thinks he saw.

Regardless, what is the point of all this? So he thinks he saw molten steel. Now what?
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I just repeat my quote, maybe you have to read it again.
If i see you, its not i think i saw you, but i saw you. There is a difference.

Waaahh this is crazy, i have now a discussion with somebody who does not see the difference between i think i saw, and i saw.
 
Marokkaan said:
I just repeat my quote, maybe you have to read it again.
If i see you, its not i think i saw you, but i saw you. There is a difference.

Waaahh this is crazy, i have now a discussion with somebody who does not see the difference between i think i saw, and i saw.
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The point Neally is trying to make (and you are completely incapable of comprehending, apparently) is that there could be any number of outside factors that make your conclusions "I saw you at the mall yesterday" wrong. How far away were you? Did you see their face full on, or only from the side? Did you see a face at all? Did you call out the name of the person you thought it was and receive an acknowledgment? Can the person whom you claim you saw prove that they were, in fact, elsewhere at the time you thought you saw them? These are all factors that affect the statement "I saw you at the mall yesterday".

Likewise, when we look at the video provided, we can hear what is being said, but without independent verification through corroboration (which we do not have), scientific analysis of the substance in question, (which we also do not have), or further statements from Mr. Riggs where he states unequivocally "I saw melted steel while helping to clean up Ground Zero" (WHICH WE DO NOT HAVE), then we cannot say definitively that Mr. Riggs in fact saw molten steel (in its liquid state, that is). The fact that you don't get that makes me wonder just how disconnected with reality you are, quite honestly.
 
Sabrina said:
The point Neally is trying to make (and you are completely incapable of comprehending, apparently) is that there could be any number of outside factors that make your conclusions "I saw you at the mall yesterday" wrong. How far away were you? Did you see their face full on, or only from the side? Did you see a face at all? Did you call out the name of the person you thought it was and receive an acknowledgment? Can the person whom you claim you saw prove that they were, in fact, elsewhere at the time you thought you saw them? These are all factors that affect the statement "I saw you at the mall yesterday".

Likewise, when we look at the video provided, we can hear what is being said, but without independent verification through corroboration (which we do not have), scientific analysis of the substance in question, (which we also do not have), or further statements from Mr. Riggs where he states unequivocally "I saw melted steel while helping to clean up Ground Zero" (WHICH WE DO NOT HAVE), then we cannot say definitively that Mr. Riggs in fact saw molten steel (in its liquid state, that is). The fact that you don't get that makes me wonder just how disconnected with reality you are, quite honestly.
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I am glad that Marokkaan has shown that there is never a case of mistaken identity.
 
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