Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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Bras and Nipples...

Diocletus said:
That's not totally true. They just had a big dust-up concerning bras and nipples.
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Diocletus,

"bras and nipples"! Really! You're not just pulling my leg are you? Was it a pro-innocence dust up or just a kind of cat fight about something stupid that had nothing to do with questioning the prevailing wisdom over there?

If it was a pro-innocence dust up, it's a good sign, but of course that depends how long the pro-innocence post or posters get to actually hang around the site and continue to tip the boat?

Dave
 
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AmyStrange said:
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Diocletus,

"bras and nipples"! Really! You're not just pulling my leg are you? Was it a pro-innocence dust up or just a kind of cat fight about something stupid that had nothing to do with questioning the prevailing wisdom over there?

If it was a pro-innocence dust up, it's a good sign, but of course that depends how long the pro-innocence post or posters get to actually get to hang around the site?

Dave
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Defnitely a cat fight. In the end, though, they all agreed that if the defendant has nipples, then she must be a murderer . . . three nipples and she's a witch.
 
Regarding the interview in Il Messaggero. Doesn't it look bogus? Allegedly Amanda spoke through her lawyer Ghirga in front of the court.

Per Patrick mi dispiace molto, non ho capito cosa mi sia preso, avevo paura, ero disorientata: è vero ho mentito, ma non ricordo perché. Rudy invece non racconta la verità, lui sa cosa è successo, ma non l’ha mai voluto dire davvero.

it is true I have lied, but I do not remember why.
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Wouldn't it mean Ghirga went insane? Giving out such a statement just as the closing arguments are coming?
 
Il Messaggero completely made up the interview with Amanda Knox. She didn't do an interview on her own or through Ghirga. There is actually a judicial decree against her talking to the media. There is no way they would break that decree.

The Italian papers have done this before. It some how passes as journalism to just fabricate a story.
 
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As I saw on PMF that they were discussing Knox not wearing a bra, just wanted to make a record here that although in the first two pics her nipples do show, in the third, you can clearly see the straps of her cammosile-bra. Just defending Amanda against those who would trash her, for what it is worth:

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Draca said:
Il Messaggero completely made up the interview with Amanda Knox. She didn't do an interview on her own or through Ghirga. There is actually a judicial decree against her talking to the media. There is no way they would break that decree.
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I remember after last hearing there were reports of Ghirga speaking in front of the court "Amanda says so and so..." I don't think it's totally made up.

OTOH I can't see how she could give an interview by proxy this way.
For example the newspaper writes that they asked her about "big secret" etc. This looks totally fake.

It seems to me they took the statement Ghirga gave about "Amanda seeing the light" or whatever and filled it up with ******** to make it into an "interview".
 
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Katody Matrass said:
I remember after last hearing there were reports of Ghirga speaking in front of the court "Amanda says so and so..." I don't think it's totally made up.

OTOH I can't see how she could give an interview by proxy this way.
For example the newspaper writes that they asked her about "big secret" etc. This looks totally fake.

It seems to me they took the statement Ghirga gave about "Amanda seeing the light" or whatever and filled it up with ******** to make it into an "interview".
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I first picked it up at Libero-News through google.it (though several other Italian newspapers ran bits and pieces of the interview). I saw Libero-News had quoted from Il Messaggero but could not find this article on Il Messaggero's website. I then later saw the article from Pisa on google.com which was later pulled from one paper but left alone on another. I have mainly found Libero-News to be reliable but you do have to research and verify their updates with other sources (which I had been unable to do with Il Messaggero online).

At PMF they have the hard copy of Il Messaggero which has the complete interview. Do you suppose this interview is being contested by Ghirga after it was run in the hard copy and that is why it has not appeared on the website?
 
smkovalinksy said:
Nick Pisa's quote of Comodi in the Telegraph UK must have been removed at someone's bequest.....
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Do you mean Pisa's quote of Knox? The piece with the extraordinary Comodi quote is still very much there:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...x-likely-to-be-acquitted-says-prosecutor.html

It appears clear now that Il Messaggero was the originator of these alleged Knox quotes, and that Pisa and others merely picked up the Messaggero story and translated the quotes. If it turnes out that Il Messaggero fabricated the Knox interview, I expect that Knox will have recourse to civil action against them once she is acquitted.

Similarly, if Pisa made up the Comodi quotes, then Comodi will most definitely have legal recourse. However, I find it incredibly hard to believe that Pisa would have made up directly-quoted remarks that essentially show a public prosecutor engaging in serious contempt of court. Pisa (and the publications in which his reports appeared) would be totally aware of the potential ramifications of either misquoting Comodi or making up the quotes. That's why I'm pretty confident that Comodi did say those things, most likely in a conversation with Pisa (and maybe some other reporters), and either late on Tuesday evening or some time on Wednesday morning before the hearings began.

I think that there's further evidence that this conversation took place, and that Comodi made these amazing accusations, from the subsequent apparent "firefighting" that both Comodi herself and the Prosecutors' Office undertook later on in the day on Wednesday. And in this regard, it's worth pointing something else out: Comodi was quoted in various papers as talking with reporters in a bar/cafe after the court went into recess on Wednesday. But why the heck was Comodi, a public prosecutor, holding forth with reporters in a bar/cafe in Perugia? That sounds like totally improper behaviour for a public prosecutor to be engaging in - especially when there appears to have been an official edict ordering all prosecutors not to hobnob with the media. I think Comodi's history as far as this case is concerned, and that she will very likely find herself in significant trouble rather soon.
 
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Oh, and for SA's "devastating grammatical analysis", the quote given by Pisa in the Telegraph piece is a single unbroken quote which clearly stands as an accusation by Comodi of court bias in the case:

Prosecutor Manuela Comodi said: "There is an ill wind blowing in this case. The judge and his assistant are clearly against us. I can see both Knox and Sollecito being freed which will be a shame as they are both involved."
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Any questions, Paddy....?
 
christianahannah said:
Do you suppose this interview is being contested by Ghirga after it was run in the hard copy and that is why it has not appeared on the website?
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Most probably that's the case. I can't believe Ghirga would do something so insane as giving a rambling "interview" on behalf of Amanda and dropping such a bomb between nonsense about "big secrets" and "love life in jail". Especially Ghirga who was always trying to play down the media presence.
 
LondonJohn said:
Do you mean Pisa's quote of Knox? The piece with the extraordinary Comodi quote is still very much there:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...x-likely-to-be-acquitted-says-prosecutor.html

It appears clear now that Il Messaggero was the originator of these alleged Knox quotes, and that Pisa and others merely picked up the Messaggero story and translated the quotes. If it turnes out that Il Messaggero fabricated the Knox interview, I expect that Knox will have recourse to civil action against them once she is acquitted.

Similarly, if Pisa made up the Comodi quotes, then Comodi will most definitely have legal recourse. However, I find it incredibly hard to believe that Pisa would have made up directly-quoted remarks that essentially show a public prosecutor engaging in serious contempt of court. Pisa (and the publications in which his reports appeared) would be totally aware of the potential ramifications of either misquoting Comodi or making up the quotes. That's why I'm pretty confident that Comodi did say those things, most likely in a conversation with Pisa (and maybe some other reporters), and either late on Tuesday evening or some time on Wednesday morning before the hearings began.

I think that there's further evidence that this conversation took place, and that Comodi made these amazing accusations, from the subsequent apparent "firefighting" that both Comodi herself and the Prosecutors' Office undertook later on in the day on Wednesday. And in this regard, it's worth pointing something else out: Comodi was quoted in various papers as talking with reporters in a bar/cafe after the court went into recess on Wednesday. But why the hack was Comodi, a public prosecutor, holding forth with reporters in a bar/cafe in Perugia? I think she's history as far as this case is concerned, and that she will very likely find herself in significant trouble rather soon.
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Oh, I see. I was mistaken. Yes, I would agree: Comodi said these things to Pisa, which made him confident enough to print them. And he likely has a tape.....I hope you are correct ...she was way out of line...
 
Ain't it strange how a totally bogus (but incredibly earnest) discussion went on for a very long time on another forum about how disgraceful it was for Knox to go braless in court this week, when a cursory examination of the pictures clearly shows that she was wearing a bra on every day in question? I guess leaping in feet first in a character assassination without bothering to check the, ya know, facts is de rigueur for non-sceptical forums.

Knox was wearing appropriate attire every day this week in court. And in any case, whatever she chose to wear has no bearing on her guilt or non-guilt. It seems like a certain section of commentators are very keen to evaluate Knox's clothing choices (and that of her family). And yet they are the ones who harp on about "Knox-supporters" being driven by an obsession with Knox's physical appearance. Again, I can't help the word "projection" coming to mind..............
 
LondonJohn said:
Ain't it strange how a totally bogus (but incredibly earnest) discussion went on for a very long time on another forum about how disgraceful it was for Knox to go braless in court this week, when a cursory examination of the pictures clearly shows that she was wearing a bra on every day in question? I guess leaping in feet first in a character assassination without bothering to check the, ya know, facts is de rigueur for non-sceptical forums.

Knox was wearing appropriate attire every day this week in court. And in any case, whatever she chose to wear has no bearing on her guilt or non-guilt. It seems like a certain section of commentators are very keen to evaluate Knox's clothing choices (and that of her family). And yet they are the ones who harp on about "Knox-supporters" being driven by an obsession with Knox's physical appearance. Again, I can't help the word "projection" coming to mind..............
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Of course you are correct. Projection as in the Salem-witch hunt variety. This is why I posted the pics: She has on a very appropriate cammosile-bra every day, the straps of which can clearly be seen in a variety of pictures. It is the lights, and her nervousness, that make the poor young thing "show through". Where is their compassion? They really have no dignity in the face of this scared young girl....I guess they have the Mignini "she is a witch" syndrome, even at this late date...
 
The civil trial of Patrick's is not part of this appeal, correct?

Will this group of Judges be able to consider the statements by Amanda that were barred from the first trial but allowed in through the civil trial backdoor?
 
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