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Ed Rob Menard's FOTL Claims

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By ignoring it, he can simply repeat his mantra that no one has proven that individual consent is not required. Sure, such mindless repetition won't convince anyone but an idiot, but you must realize: the idiots are his target audience.

FMOTL seem to be unique in the CT world. Most CT nuts are simply fearful people trying to create a sense of order out of a chaotic world. They would rather live in a world of mysterious invisible conspiracies than on a world where "stuff happens" on a random basis.

FMOTL seem sociopathic and selfish. Pretending their claims were true, why is it they continue to make use of the public things we (taxpayers) provide them? For a belief system that thinks taxes are voluntary, and demands everyone pay their individual way, how do they rationalize driving their (unregistered and uninsured) cars on the highway?
 
FMOTL offers the solution to all life's problems, birth bonds, endless supplies of money and free stuff, the ability to do as you please in regard to the law, sit back while others do the work and freeload.
The people it attracts are scroungers, the lazy but also the desperate , the ones who are in so much debt they will try anything.
Its real trick is that anyone who doesn't twig onto the fact its nonsense pretty quick are not very bright, which is the perfect people to try and extract money from, its total idiocy weeds out anyone with a shred of intelligence.
Unfortunately FMOTLs one major drawback is it isn't real.
 
ETA: If this was at all possible, people bigger than Menard would have stepped in already, developed the product, marketed it effectively and made some real money out of it.
A disbarred lawyer for example, surely they would have nothing to lose and could simply set up a practice offering advice on how to beat the system, and according to FMOTLers this remedy is actually acepted in law so they could sell it as legitimate legal advice.
I cant actually understand why Menard puts "for entertainment purposes only" on his DVDs and then claims his advice can be used in court????
 
I also see you have placed upon me a challenge you refuse to accept yourselves. Only a court ruling will be acceptable, but when it comes to the people in the government having power to govern, you simply accept it as true, without asking them for any court rulings supporting their right to govern without consent.


There are plenty of court rulings contradicting your claim. See for example post #2325.
 
There are plenty of court rulings contradicting your claim. See for example post #2325.

I predict Menard may respond with, "I dont see my name on any of those court cases, so you still have not proven that I can be governed without MY consent"
 
I see that you folks are still at it! Having fun with your Weetabix?

Me not posting you assume is due to your amazing arguments and my inability to address them. It simply could not be due to me having a life and far better things to do, and not caring about a vapid and banal forum. No, it must be because your arguments sent me running.

I also see you are now trying to change the rules on me alone, while not embracing them yourself. If this was baseball, you would be saying I get one swing, and it has to be a home run, or I lose, while you all get to swing and miss all day. Of course none of you see the huge problem with this, as far as fairness and equality goes, do you?

I also see your childish antics are still being used to hide a lack of wit, and you seem to think that endless sarcasm and insults are a suitable substitute for rational and reasonable argument. There are what, over 50 posts of you guys patting each other on the back, for trying to change the rules, and for thinking that I was frustrated instead of simply too busy. And you still apparently are thinking that the truth will be decided by the exchanges on this particular forum.

This forum is completely irrelevant to the truth, and seeks to avoid it with insulting and derisive comments. But you folks seem to think that what happens on this forum, will decide what happens elsewhere. So you know, most people laugh at this forum, and consider it to be populated by the least intelligent of people, who by acting like a herd and blinded by a clique mindset, can confidently defend their stupidity. Surrounding yourself with people who believe the same idiocy as yourself does not mean you are all right. Here is a dissertation on what is happening with you folks.

http://www.enformy.com/$politic.html


Crickets, and tumble weeds does not mean you have won anything. But it does show your mindset, and inability to imagine any other reason. Like me having a life and far better things to do then to argue with those who eschew logic, reason and rational thought.

I also see you have placed upon me a challenge you refuse to accept yourselves. Only a court ruling will be acceptable, but when it comes to the people in the government having power to govern, you simply accept it as true, without asking them for any court rulings supporting their right to govern without consent. That you accept blindly, and do not ask for proof. But is not their claim the larger one and the originating one? Should they not be faced with the obligation to provide the same level of proof? Have you ever asked any of them to do so, or do you simply ignorantly accept their claims without question?

You bask in the belief that I am lying about having certain documents, and try claiming I said I lost them which I never claimed. If you go traveling, do you bring ALL your papers, books, and documents with you? This is your logic at work: I say I do not have a document with me, cause I have been traveling and did not bring everything I own with me. You claim to not believe that I would not travel without my entire library, one that takes up an entire wall in my apartment, or without all the boxes of documents in my storage area. And now you claim that because I did not, it does not exist. See how idiotic that is?

So to answer no I do not have a document with me that establishes my beliefs are supported by a court, and that consent is required to govern another.

However there is a bunch of you and only one of me, and unlike you all I am not at my own home, with all my stuff, and none of you have a document proving that a court has ruled on this issue in your favour do you? And since yours is the originating claim, (the right to govern without consent) the onus is actually on you to prove that a court was asked this specific question, and ruled in favour of governing without consent.

So now you all have to accept the same standards you tried to place upon me. OF course I know none of you are mature enough to actually do so.
Only a court ruling will suffice.
It must be specific to this issue, not just some judge looking at another issue and doing so without consent to adjudicate as evidence that it can be done, for that is a big assumption on your part, and the judge may be acting on the belief that he has consent and is not the standard you have attempted to place upon me.

And there are ALL of you and you are in your own homes, with your documents easily accessible. You should have no problem showing a court ruling where they state that consent of the governed is not required to govern.

Now hop to it.

I bet what you will do however is continue with your immature sarcastic comments, or will celebrate that I did not meet your standard, yet will not try to meet it yourself. I also predict that me being away for the next two or three days will be used to imply that I am scared, or you have won, or there will be more cricket and tumbleweed posts, seeking to imply that I have bailed, instead of simply being to busy to worry about the beliefs of the members of this forum. A forum that most people simply laugh at and consider to be populated by brain dead statists.

Have fun kids. Continue patting yourself on the back and claiming victory. According to some, FMOTL was ‘dead in the water’ a year ago. But still you are trying to disrespect and insult those who hold these beliefs, for you cannot logically or reasonably discuss them, have never been able to defeat them, and you have in the last two days proved that quite obviously. Your posts do far more to undermine any respect others may have for you and this forum than anything I could post.

Keep throwing your poo, little monkeys, it’s only getting all over you.

I will be back in two days or so, and look forward to seeing evidence that a court has ruled in favour of your beliefs, that consent of the governed is not required to govern, here in this common law jurisdiction.

Please do not say this is not fair, as it is the standard you tried to place on me, you outnumber me, and none of you have anything better to do, thus allowing you to spend so much time here.

:D

Congrats Rob. That must be one of your longest ever posts and still you managed you avoid the issue.

We don't want a philosophical discussion, we don't want anything except proof of your claims. You can therefore save your fingers next time, just post up the proof and own us in the process. Or continue with your usual avoidance par excellence (like above) and discredit yourself without any need for our assistance.

Oh, and don't moan about us having a giggle all the while you go on with your Operation Self-Debunk. It's hardly surprising that we laugh really, it's free entertainment. You've put yourself in this guru position and dished out advice, YouTube videos, DVDs, thousands of forum posts and other materials (for a charge too) asserting that you've cracked it, yet it's patently obvious that you've got nothing in your freeman locker at all. That, me old mucker, is a failure of collossal proportions and it's bound to attract comment and mirth, get over it.

Alternatively, show us to be wrong and make the joke on us. Proof please, nothing else is necessary.


[JB: get your tumbleweed ready again]
 
ETA: If this was at all possible, people bigger than Menard would have stepped in already, developed the product, marketed it effectively and made some real money out of it.

Obvious example being lawyers. If it had any application in the real world, the lawyers would have been all over it.
 
unfortunatly (according to FMOTLers) all lawyers are the scum of the earth and dishonest liars, so the honourable avenue of FMOTL wouldnt appeal to their nature.
 
unfortunatly (according to FMOTLers) all lawyers are the scum of the earth and dishonest liars, so the honourable avenue of FMOTL wouldnt appeal to their nature.

FMOTLers also tend to believe that lawyers are money grabbers, so surely it follows that lawyers would have jumped at this because, if true, it would have been an opportunity to make more money?
 
FMOTLers also tend to believe that lawyers are money grabbers, so surely it follows that lawyers would have jumped at this because, if true, it would have been an opportunity to make more money?

But the lawyers are in on it all...so they won't want to tell people...because otherwise they'd...um...they'd...well...BECAUSE!
:mad:
 
Yet Rob has a whole team of selachian statists ready to do his freemany biding.
 
I predict Menard may respond with, "I dont see my name on any of those court cases, so you still have not proven that I can be governed without MY consent"


Rob has repeatedly stated in this thread that all are equal under the law.

But perhaps Rob is more equal than others.
 
But the lawyers are in on it all...so they won't want to tell people...because otherwise they'd...um...they'd...well...BECAUSE!
:mad:

:D

Yep, lawyers, they're so in on the conspiracy that they, urrr, ummm, don't want to benefit from it. Damn those evil lawyers! :D


Also, Paul - quality post sir!
 
Hang on though...if a lawyer did it once and a court transcript was made available then anyone else doing it wouldnt need to employ a lawyer.
The transcript would be Robs flowchart realised.

Thats why they keep it under wraps...they dont tell anyone about it to protect their (and Robs) gravy train.
 
Hang on though...if a lawyer did it once and a court transcript was made available then anyone else doing it wouldnt need to employ a lawyer.
The transcript would be Robs flowchart realised.

Thats why they keep it under wraps...they dont tell anyone about it to protect their (and Robs) gravy train.


[FreeManHoratius] Of course! That makes perfect sense, and I'm glad to see you're finally recognizing the Reality of the Freeman Filosophy.


disbarred


Has anyone see my rug? I might need it. [/FreemanHoratius]
 
FMOTL offers the solution to all life's problems, birth bonds, endless supplies of money and free stuff, the ability to do as you please in regard to the law, sit back while others do the work and freeload.
The people it attracts are scroungers, the lazy but also the desperate , the ones who are in so much debt they will try anything.
Its real trick is that anyone who doesn't twig onto the fact its nonsense pretty quick are not very bright, which is the perfect people to try and extract money from, its total idiocy weeds out anyone with a shred of intelligence.
Unfortunately FMOTLs one major drawback is it isn't real.

Plus anyone who tries it gets sent to jail where they cannot earn any money to send to the con men.

It's a lose-lose-lose proposition.

Personally I'd stick to the Birth certificate scam, that way you can always be filing papers in their behalf for a fee and the money can be always be just around the corner.
 
Hello all, first post for me.

I've been following this and some of the other Freeman threads gathering information on this "movement". I been seeing an increasing number of these individuals and their "legal documents" over the last few years, and it seemed prudent to look at them.

Still trying to wrap my head around how people can believe that by saying "I do not consent..." that society's rules don't apply, but that may just be me.

You may be interested to know what happens here after the ruling that says, "We, the court, do not agree that you are not bound by Canadian law simply because you don't like a particular law or rule." Well some of them are writing to the CF Provost Marshall (head of the military police) and demanding that he render military aid to protect their property against those corrupt government and court officials since they are "Allies" of HMTQ!

Since the meatheads aren't used to seeing that level of legal nonsense in what look like court documents they ship it over to me in the "claims and civil Litigation" section to deal with the nutbar.... But hey, its a living.
 
Personally I'd stick to the Birth certificate scam
Robs blown that one by abandoning his SIN he now has no access to any government benefits (his theory) and as such any bond belongs to the "PERSON" and not the human being :cool:

Rob was just greedy with his DVDs, who in their right mind (stop it..) is going to pay $250 for a few DVDs?
He should just knock them out at $10, he would have made far more money.
Look at Charles Atlas, worked out with weights at a gym but told everyone they could look like him by performing "dynamic tension" exercises and sold a booklet with some exercises in it for a couple of dollars.
Made far more than selling sets of weights ever would.

Dont get any ideas Rob, ;)
 
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