Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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I've always wondered how Filomena knew the door was never locked. Did she try the doors whenever they were closed?

I always thought that part of the case was weird as well. Filomena says Meredith "never" locked her door. Amanda says she did "sometimes". But that means that Amanda is lying!! Even though she is the one that has her room right next to Meredith's and shares a bathroom with her.

The PGers just took Filomena's view as fact, which led to the idea that Amanda was lying. The circular logic from hell.
 
I've always wondered how Filomena knew the door was never locked. Did she try the doors whenever they were closed?
I wondered the exact same thing.

Does anyone know they if did a hair drug test on AK and RS? Seems like an obvious thing to do and it would have completely settled the issue of cocaine use I 've often read about at TJMK/ PMF.
 
Thought of a few more:

Her hair looked dirty.

She could kill for a pizza.

The mark on her neck wasn't really a hickey.

She walked away from the job in Germany.

Her father had to be taken to court to pay child support.

The family is white trash or rich - take your choice.

She had sex on a train.
 
Thought of a few more:

Her hair looked dirty.

She could kill for a pizza.

The mark on her neck wasn't really a hickey.

She walked away from the job in Germany.

Her father had to be taken to court to pay child support.

The family is white trash or rich - take your choice.

She had sex on a train.

Yes, the list is ever growin or either overgrown. She smelled bad. Her doodles indicate she is Lady MacBethany and her handwriting analysis is proof of guilt. Her moon in the seventh house is pretty ominous as well. Begone damn spot, I need a cat instead.
 
Ann Coulter is a big, fat idiot

Thank goodness for the evil Ann Coulter. Now there is no way guilters can deny she is on their team.

AMANDA KNOX: THE NEW MUMIA!
Mary_H,

This article is so totally wrong that it would be funny, except for one thing. Somewhere there is someone who will actually believe all of the falsehoods she crammed into one article. Rush Limbaugh move over, you have competition for the big, fat idiot award.
 
Ya, at this time their belief in guilt comes first. Anything saying otherwise is just an annoyance.

You'll like this one Kevin,

No blood on knife.
Kermit:
WELL, that's not true.... the only thing that they can say is that the blood tests were negative, not that there was definitively no blood.

:boggled: haha


In other words, the only thing we can say is that there are no empirical data supporting a case against Amanda and Raffaele, not that they definitely did not commit the crime.
 
Mary_H,

This article is so totally wrong that it would be funny, except for one thing. Somewhere there is someone who will actually believe all of the falsehoods she crammed into one article. Rush Limbaugh move over, you have competition for the big, fat idiot award.


You're right, sadly. I keep forgetting she actually has fans and followers.
 
Thank goodness for the evil Ann Coulter. Now there is no way guilters can deny she is on their team.

AMANDA KNOX: THE NEW MUMIA!

Why am I not surprised???:mad:

By now, the only people who believe Knox and Sollecito are the usual criminal apologists and their friends in the American media.

From Tawana Brawley, Mumia and the Central Park rapists, to the Duke lacrosse players and Karl Rove, liberals are always on the wrong side of a criminal case. A few times could be a coincidence; every time is evidence of a psychological disorder.

As described in "Demonic," liberals defend the guilty and impugn the innocent not only because they side with barbarians, but because a fair and just system of law challenges their hegemony as judges of the universe.

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2011-09-07.html
 
I get a kick out of this comment from Greggy on PMF: "AK will be easily re-convicted. The mixed DNA samples of hers and Miss Kercher's found throughout the house are some of the strongest forensic evidence of her treachery. That evidence has always shook me as I have envisioned a horrible fight between poor Miss Kercher and a frenzied slashing AK. I think the fellows that follow this case because they lust after AK have some sort of death wish."

Thanks for sharing, Greggy. Apparently you assume that "the fellows that follow this case because they lust after AK" share your twisted vision.
 
Mary_H,

This article is so totally wrong that it would be funny, except for one thing. Somewhere there is someone who will actually believe all of the falsehoods she crammed into one article. Rush Limbaugh move over, you have competition for the big, fat idiot award.

Wow, Just Wow. That article is really horrendous. A hit job on an innocent American done for political reasons. She makes Nancy Grace look good.
 
I get a kick out of this comment from Greggy on PMF: "AK will be easily re-convicted. The mixed DNA samples of hers and Miss Kercher's found throughout the house are some of the strongest forensic evidence of her treachery. That evidence has always shook me as I have envisioned a horrible fight between poor Miss Kercher and a frenzied slashing AK. I think the fellows that follow this case because they lust after AK have some sort of death wish."

Thanks for sharing, Greggy. Apparently you assume that "the fellows that follow this case because they lust after AK" share your twisted vision.
Right; it is quotes like the one you have highlighted which reveal the lunacy of their private visions and secret animus. It wasn't enough that Mignini had to project this bizarre role onto Amanda: Every weirdo had to come out of the woodwork, all flocking together and organizing forums with which to share in the thrill of the "frenzied, slashing AK".
 
Central Park rapists?

Why am I not surprised???:mad:

From Tawana Brawley, Mumia and the Central Park rapists, to the Duke lacrosse players and Karl Rove, liberals are always on the wrong side of a criminal case.

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2011-09-07.html
smkovalinksy,

On my blog I sided with the Duke lacrosse players and Amanda/Raffaele. Why? Partly because the same demonization of the suspects took place. The media's fun house mirror has an infinite capacity to distort someone's character. What she means by the Central Park rapists is entirely unclear to me. The actual perp was not who was originally arrested. They gave false confessions. The whole wilding thing was more baloney.
 
smkovalinksy,

On my blog I sided with the Duke lacrosse players and Amanda/Raffaele. Why? Partly because the same demonization of the suspects took place. The media's fun house mirror has an infinite capacity to distort someone's character. What she means by the Central Park rapists is entirely unclear to me. The actual perp was not who was originally arrested. They gave false confessions. The whole wilding thing was more baloney.
I :mad:think it is fair to conclude that Coulter is an insufferable windbag, who will jump on any issue in an attempt to spin out her zany theories about demonic liberals. Ugh........:mad:
 
smkovalinksy,

On my blog I sided with the Duke lacrosse players and Amanda/Raffaele. Why? Partly because the same demonization of the suspects took place. The media's fun house mirror has an infinite capacity to distort someone's character. What she means by the Central Park rapists is entirely unclear to me. The actual perp was not who was originally arrested. They gave false confessions. The whole wilding thing was more baloney.

The liberal thing was at least an issue in the Lacrosse case. Frankly, this is the first I have heard about it being a theme in Amanda's case. I guess her most well known supporter is Donald Trump. What am I missing on this one?
 
I get a kick out of this comment from Greggy on PMF: "AK will be easily re-convicted. The mixed DNA samples of hers and Miss Kercher's found throughout the house are some of the strongest forensic evidence of her treachery. That evidence has always shook me as I have envisioned a horrible fight between poor Miss Kercher and a frenzied slashing AK. I think the fellows that follow this case because they lust after AK have some sort of death wish."

Thanks for sharing, Greggy. Apparently you assume that "the fellows that follow this case because they lust after AK" share your twisted vision.

I liked this excerpt, when delving into the Edgardo Giobbi type views.

Dunning and Kruger-

<The unskilled therefore suffer from illusory superiority, rating their ability as above average, much higher than it actually is, while the highly skilled underrate their own abilities, suffering from illusory inferiority.

This leads to the situation in which less competent people rate their own ability higher than more competent people. It also explains why actual competence may weaken self-confidence.

Competent individuals falsely assume that others have an equivalent understanding. "Thus, the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others."[2]
 
The liberal thing was at least an issue in the Lacrosse case. Frankly, this is the first I have heard about it being a theme in Amanda's case. I guess her most well known supporter is Donald Trump. What am I missing on this one?


She probably thinks that if you believe a defendant is innocent, you must be a liberal. Her knowledge of the case is obviously superficial. She hasn't read any of the PMF apologists for Rudy.

One irony is that, in Italy, the magistrates are considered to be liberals (versus the conservative government).
 
The liberal thing was at least an issue in the Lacrosse case. Frankly, this is the first I have heard about it being a theme in Amanda's case. I guess her most well known supporter is Donald Trump. What am I missing on this one?

Coulter's logic goes like this:

Knox and Sollectio are clearly guilty. Liberals are always on the side of the guilty and haters of the innocent (as in, liberals love terrorists). Ergo, liberals want Knox freed. Mignini winning would be the traditional and the righteous putting a leash on their rabid desire for total , frenzied, perverse, freedom. :eye-poppi
 
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Get the "confirmation bias" cut and pastes ready, and add this to the ridicule sent to Lowe.

Nevertheless, IMHO,

1) Sollecito suddenly felt a very strange necessity and timing to extemporaneously come forth with his ludicrous cock and bollocks fabrication about pricking Meredith's finger with that knife in question.

2) That "stupid kid" story revealed more to me about what he thereby confirmed was *at one time* in sufficient quantity on that blade than any subsequent tests needed to.

3)Add to this the defendant documented anxiety about "what might be found on the knife" and then believe and send to leader Lowe what you may.

:boggled:haha

Context is king, pilot. Open your eyes and read what he wrote:

Raffaele's Diary said:
Nov 16 2007
Last night I saw on television that the knife that I had at home (the
one from the kitchen) has traces of Meredith and Amanda (latent) ...
my heart jumped in my throat and I was in total panic because I thought that Amanda had killed Meredith or had helped someone in the enterprise. But today I saw Tiziano who calmed me down: he told me
that the knife could not have been the murder weapon,according to the legal doctor, and has nothing to do with anything as Amanda could take it and and carry it from my house to her house because the girls didn't have knife so, they are making a smokescreen for nothing ... I
live in a reality show nightmare, the 'nightmare reality show'.
Unbelievable!

I am starting to have perpetual panic attacks and palpitations due to
...in the anticipation of these scientific tests that fire shots
unsettling of this sort... Oh God, it is not their fault but of the...
who take everything that they can involve in this story.
I want to think about other things, think of my friends who are close
to me and think of fathers in these moments that will stay very badly
and will be worried and I am very sorry. I do not know what to do.
Please Jesus give me the strength and reason to deal with this
situation and I pray to support also dad who is sustaining an absurd
situation.

Nov 18 2007
they are keeping me in jail because there is a kitchen knife with a trace of Meredith's DNA. It seems like a horror movie ... Looking back
and remembering it came to mind that the night dad sent me an sms
message of goodnight to be indiscreet (knowing that I was with
Amanda), then the day after Amanda repeated to me that if she had not
been with me at this time she would be dead. Thinking and reconstructing, it seems to me that she always remained with me, the only thing I do not remember exactly is when she left in the early evening for a few minutes. I am convinced that she could not have killed Meredith and then return home. The fact that there is Meredith's DNA on the kitchen is because once while cooking together, I shifted myself in the house handling the knife, I had the point on her hand, and immediately after I apologized but she had nothing done to her. So the only real explanation of the kitchen knife is this.
I am not quiet because if they have found a trace so ridiculous they
can find many so many others on the rags and so on ... What a
nightmare! They should first of all show that the knife is indeed the weapon of the crime: knife, type of cut, the obvious traces on the blade, etc.. Then if they want to find invisible traces of Meredith in my house, find some in the streams of this passage! There must be a
divine justice to all this! I continue to wake up in the morning with
accusatory faces that fix me as a murderer ...


Read that passage in totality, Pilot, put together the information it offers. Raffaele knew the knife wasn't the murder weapon, he'd been told so by someone relaying the coroner's report, however he was being kept there because they said DNA had gotten on the blade somehow. Being as he's innocent, he can't quite figure out how the DNA could have gotten on the blade, but the other thing he is told is Amanda could have borrowed it and taken it to the cottage. How in the hell is he supposed to know for sure, the knife is a common one found in any kitchen in Italy, it wasn't even his as we've been told repeatedly by bunnies, kittens and gargoyles assuring us his landlord would be pissed if it's missing, so if murdered anyone he'd have to put it back! :p

From the first page entry on the page I linked:

Raffaele's letter to Telenorbo said:
"Put yourself in my clothes", writes Sollecito, "I meet a girl in a concert and from that moment we start going out. She lives with her friends and often I have lunch with them, I'm often at their house."

So what does Raffaele know? He knows it's not the murder weapon, but the cops are using it to hold him and Amanda in jail. He knows one explanation for the DNA being on it is that Amanda borrowed it to take to the cottage. He knows he often had lunch with the girls at the cottage and remembers an incident that took place when he was cooking--that has to be it! See! Raffaele can put on a bunny suit too! The 'only' explanation has to be that Amanda had borrowed the knife and it was the one he was using when he shifted and accidentally almost pricked Meredith. From the 'find invisible traces of Meredith in my house, find some in the streams of this passage!' part he might even have been kidding about it! You don't know for sure what he meant, but what you do know is that when he wrote it he'd been told it wasn't the murder weapon, but they were just using it to keep him in prison and he was kinda pissed about that as you can imagine.


Here's the thing though, Pilot. If they didn't find blood on that blade, then any DNA they found wasn't the result of the murder. Like the Doctor of Biochemistry has been trying to tell people for two years now, that's basically impossible, it requires 'magic cleaning fluid.' You ought to be able to tell from other arguments made, notably with the luminol footprints, that it is possible to detect blood without being able to find DNA, it doesn't really work the other way around! They found starch though, didn't they? Thus no 'magic cleaning fluid,' and the starch basically proves there was never blood on that blade, and if there was never any blood on that blade it sure as hell didn't make a neck wound which sprayed blood out to the wall.

So, how is it that you can take a distorted reading of that passage and pretend it overrules scientific evidence? Or any of the other more plausible explanations of why he might ponder in his diary as to how the seemingly impossible could have happened? What would you think if you were in Raffaele's shoes, sitting in prison because they said their found the DNA of a murder victim on one of your knives, and you had nothing better to do all day than try to think of ways it might have happened, knowing full well you weren't a murderer, and coming to the conclusion that the cute girl you'd been cuddling with couldn't have done it either?

If logic won't convince you, just look at the guy, does he really look like a murderer to you? Or does he look like a guy who'd rather spend a cold November evening watching movies and cuddling with his first real girlfriend?

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She probably thinks that if you believe a defendant is innocent, you must be a liberal. Her knowledge of the case is obviously superficial. She hasn't read any of the PMF apologists for Rudy.

One irony is that, in Italy, the magistrates are considered to be liberals (versus the conservative government).

She quotes the false accusation this way:

"He wanted her. ... Raffaele and I went into another room and then I heard screams...."

Has anyone ever seen Raffaele mentioned in any version of this statement?
 
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