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Was 9/11 an inside job?

Was 9/11 an inside job?

  • Yes I believe the government planned it.

    Votes: 5 3.4%
  • I am inconclusive.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I believe that the twin towers fell due to the planes.

    Votes: 144 96.6%

  • Total voters
    149
It's kind of hard to discern the sound when you have the sound of the building collapsing with it. If I have the time I'll post some more vids later about why I think the WTC were demolished, but right now I gotta get to the bank before it closes.

You completely ignored everything else I posted. What do you think about the dishonesty of evidence use by twoofers such as in the video I posted? Also, you are incorrect. It would not be hard to discern at all if there were explosives that were used even with the building collapsing. Like I said, explosives are so loud that they could be heard for miles. Yet, there were none picked up by any audio equipment. Again the sound of the collapse would not mask any sounds of explosives, so please don't make that claim again. It is incorrect.

Also, I can guarantee you any video that you post I have seen it before. I bet you it will say the same old nonsense that has been debunked for years. You really need to start listening to the experts and not the people who distort and deceive with their videos.
 
I see no reason why he would edit that audio though, as demolitions generally sound the same, so there would have been no need too.
His reason is to fool you into thinking that there was a demolition. This is how Gage makes his money, getting suckers to "Donate" or to buy his books and videos. It's called a scam and you are falling for it hook, line and sinker.

A man falls into a hole. Another man walks by and see him in it. The first man says hey can you help me out here and the second man says sure, grab my hand. Instead of grabbing the offered hand he asks for a shovel so he can dig his way out of the hole. The second man says that that's not a good idea and he's strong enough to pull him out without it. The first man repeats his request for a shovel. A third man comes along and see the first mans dilemma. He offers him a rope and ties it off to a nearby fire hydrant. The first man questions whether the fire hydrant can support his weight, the third man says that he's a fireman and that he's never seen a hydrant break under the weight of one man so he's safe. The first man goes back to asking for a shovel. A fourth man comes by with a shovel for sale at the bargain price of $20. The other men tell the first man that digging downwards will only get him in more trouble. The fourth man says don't believe them. they don't have a shovel, they don't know any better. A fifth man comes over, he has been watching the whole thing from across the street. He tells the man in the hole that he was in the same hole last week and the only way out is by using the rope or the offer of a hand and that the shovel idea only makes it worse and is a waste of money. The man in the hole buys the shovel instead. All but the man who sold him the shovel walk away shaking their heads. The man who sold him the shovel asks the man in the hole if he needs a bucket to haul out the dirt and the man says yes. The fourth man then says "Give me be $40 please". The first man asks why it cost twice the amount for the bucket than it does the shovel and the fourth man replies "Because I can see that you are willing to spend money on things that are not helpful while people who will help you for free are ignored".

You are the man in the hole and Gage is the man selling you the bucket and shovel.
 
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It's kind of hard to discern the sound when you have the sound of the building collapsing with it.
The sound from the explosives comes before the building collapses.

Nothing of the sort was heard on 9/11.

I'll just wait for you to post a video with wind noise and claim it's an explosion. :rolleyes:
 
Your banks open on Labor Day?


:rolleyes:

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Apparently it doesn't, I am severely disappointed. Don't mind me, I wouldn't even know when Christmas was if it weren't for all of the decorations.
 
I'll be polite as I can, but please keep in mind as others have pointed out these things you bring up as "evidence" have been repeated ad nauseum for years and presented like it's the first time the audience has ever seen it.

First of all, this ain't professional; this ain't how structural analysis, or investigation into an initiation mechanism is carried out. The footage of the WTC 7 collapse used in this video shows none of the events preceding the global failure of the exterior. I'm rather sick of people asking me to believe this is a controlled demolition based purely on selective data mining and oversimplification. When the collapse of the penthouse and subtle exterior signs of interior collapse are added to the collapse footage, it's clear that the collapse sequence of WTC 7 does not hold analagous to the initiation sequences of your controlled demolition "samples."


Thermite COULD have done it. and that guy who made that video is just a regular construction worker from what I hear... not the so called 'experts' hired by the government.
For this construction workers experiment to have held relevance he would at minimum have needed to model the conditions of the debris environment as closely as possible, which includes modeling the length of time the material was exposed to the environment. As with the data mined footage of WTC 7 used to prove demolition, you're asking your audience to believe in arguments which are made from either incomplete or incompetent research material. You shouldn't be surprised when you get the cold shoulder for this kind of presentation.

William Cooper predicts an event like 9/11 would happen and that it would be blamed on Osama Bin Laden This video also contains the towers 'collapsing' and the visible clouds of smoke before the 'collapse' ever reach them. Also shows white flashes inside the WTC which are claimed by many of the Thermite theory to be the ignitions. Also has photographs of the plane.
And AQ as mentioned by others has openly admitted to the role in the attacks.
And if flashes are supposed to be thermite cutters in action, one has to wonder why noone evacuating from the buildings saw these while navigating the towers upon descent. It should also come as a surpise to thermite believers that not a single joint connection between columns exhibited artifacts of target cutting or melting to interfere with the structural integrity. Considering the gross lack of physical, photographical, and video evidence supporting the thermite argument, and the gross data mining of materials compounding that matter, on what basis should any of us consider what people like Jonathan Cole, yourself, and other "truther" groups think about the collapses?

Big fire, in a skyscraper, with thousands of gallons of accelerant, and god knows what sorts of electrical equipment and fuels available. Yes, explosions will occur in some form or another during a fire event, especially at that scale. Do you have any reason why explosions should be considered unusual?

In this video, the only surviving video that I know of, you can actually HEAR the explosions FOR YOURSELVES
Which brings me to the next point you will bring up if you wind up responding to this post. What you cite is not a series of explosions; it is the sound of thousands of tons of steel and concrete crashing down to earth during a collapse. The footage is also recorded from almost directly underneath the event. This brings us to the matter of witnesses reporting explosions, which like actual explosions are typical of every large scale fire of similar magnitude, and expands to crashing sounds that people will associate with explosions.

You act as though witness reports and the real thing are weird anomalies in this kind of event; Is this what you think?


I would also like to recently point out that I came to the conclusion that 9/11 was an inside job just recently. And now I go to work looking like this :(
It may be a new topic for you, but for me this is same material that I've heard for more than three years. If you do not like the cold reception I can't help that. I find the general disgust with the controlled demolition theories totally justified in many cases.


I hear a building collapsing AND explosions

Then I either have to assume you've forgotten that said buildings were on fire before and at the time they collapsed, or you think explosions, or witness reports of explosions during large fires is anomalous. The former makes you ignorant, the latter has me asking why?

It's kind of hard to discern the sound when you have the sound of the building collapsing with it.
A small charge capable of cutting a large steel column produces sounds in excess of 140 decibels. Think of it as standing next to the engine of a full throttle jet engine. It's a sound level capable of rupturing your eardrums from brief exposure. The explosions that are detonated in your "comparables" typically far exceed the recorded intensity of the sounds produced by the successive collapse. It's much easier to discern than you think.

As far as I'm concerned the science behind the various professional disciplines is more than sufficient to explain the collapse without needing to resort to thermite or controlled demolition to achieve, and of course many of the explanations levied to favor thermite and explosives are supported by either irresponsible research practices, or complete professional incompetence. I can conclude your only sources of information are from 9/11 conspiracy sites, not from any book - academic or professional - that talks about the sciences involved.
 
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Apparently it doesn't, I am severely disappointed. Don't mind me, I wouldn't even know when Christmas was if it weren't for all of the decorations.

If you're from where I'm from you'd think it was the first week of November....


(FYI - No Controlled Demo. Get over it)
 
I'm sorry guys, but what you're saying just doesn't add up. In fact, I've only been asking MORE questions since I came here! One question I ask is why would there be forensic specialists dealing with explosives at Ground Zero that you guys claim were there, and for all I know probably were. What would be the point if the towers could have obviously been destroyed by planes as you say then there wouldn't have been a need for a forensic investigation!

What you're trying to convince me of makes no sense, and my head is pounding because of it.

I'm just going to leave this video here I was never talking about TNT or normal demolition stuff used, we're talking about thermite. I would like you to note that the plumes of 'smoke' emerge from the floors before the corners collapse. BTW what that guy is seeing is exactly what I'm seeing, I'm seeing the floors go , boom, boom, boom. While the corners are left untouched until some floors later.

Just watch a close up video of the towers falling and you'll hear the 'booms' for yourself. You expect me to believe those are floors collapsing??

I already posted the firemen video in the op to and the collapse starts at around 3:43, explosions, not floors collapsing, can be heard. Clear audible unedited boooms.
 
I'm sorry guys, but what you're saying just doesn't add up. In fact, I've only been asking MORE questions since I came here! One question I ask is why would there be forensic specialists dealing with explosives at Ground Zero that you guys claim were there, and for all I know probably were. What would be the point if the towers could have obviously been destroyed by planes as you say then there wouldn't have been a need for a forensic investigation!

What you're trying to convince me of makes no sense, and my head is pounding because of it.
I'm just going to leave this video here I was never talking about TNT or normal demolition stuff used, we're talking about thermite. I would like you to note that the plumes of 'smoke' emerge from the floors before the corners collapse. BTW what that guy is seeing is exactly what I'm seeing, I'm seeing the floors go , boom, boom, boom. While the corners are left untouched until some floors later.

Just watch a close up video of the towers falling and you'll hear the 'booms' for yourself. You expect me to believe those are floors collapsing??

I already posted the firemen video in the op to and the collapse starts at around 3:43, explosions, not floors collapsing, can be heard. Clear audible unedited boooms.

Oh well, some people are ineducable. Fact of the matter is that you twoofers have never accomplished anything nor will you ever. You don't even exist outside of the Internet. That's because your "evidence" is nonexistant to sane people.
 
It's not that hard to find a video that has the sounds of a demolition taking place. One video discredited does not discredit the dozens of others, non-orange videos I've seen so I could learn what a demolition would sound like. Mind you the videos that I looked at were completely unrelated to the WTC issue, just regular documentation of a standard demolition. Though I sincerely wish that people would shut up when recording such videos, I don't want to hear people going "oooh wow!" in the background, I want to hear the demolition.

Having said that, I would like to say that the video you posted about discrediting the orange video due to the absence of one loud bang is null, sure it could be an audio edit, though other discrepancies like an echo or simply because the cameras are at different angles means they could've recorded different sounds. I see no reason why he would edit that audio though, as demolitions generally sound the same, so there would have been no need too.

Watch this video.



No sounds of explosions at all. Even right before collapse.
 
I'm sorry guys, but what you're saying just doesn't add up. In fact, I've only been asking MORE questions since I came here! One question I ask is why would there be forensic specialists dealing with explosives at Ground Zero that you guys claim were there, and for all I know probably were.
They would have experience and training in analyzing threats found in the wreckage. There was an ATF office in one of the buildings and a firing range in another.

I want somebody with some experience in handling explosives on that site, okay?

What you're trying to convince me of makes no sense, and my head is pounding because of it.

It makes sense to those of us wh have had anything to do with fire fighting. That you are ignorant of the principlles involved does not invalidate those principles.

I'm just going to leave this video here I was never talking about TNT or normal demolition stuff used, we're talking about thermite. I would like you to note that the plumes of 'smoke' emerge from the floors before the corners collapse. BTW what that guy is seeing is exactly what I'm seeing, I'm seeing the floors go , boom, boom, boom. While the corners are left untouched until some floors later.

So some schmoe on the street can't tell the difference between explosioins and expelled dust. whoop

The corners were the strongest parts of the perimeter. Makes sense that they would stand a little longer than the walls. There is no thermite going off. It takes more time to work than the progression of the collapse.

Just watch a close up video of the towers falling and you'll hear the 'booms' for yourself. You expect me to believe those are floors collapsing??

No. We hear the same sorts of sounds that we hear in any demolition AFTER the last charge has gone off and the structure is collapsing.

I already posted the firemen video in the op to and the collapse starts at around 3:43, explosions, not floors collapsing, can be heard. Clear audible unedited boooms.

Not loud enough.
 
5. Yep, those who support the therm*te theory have stronger evidence than the ones supporting the official story. Evidence is ignored by majority of masses who disregard conspiracy theorists as whackos. I find that majority of people ignore evidence.

There is an actual event that proves thermite would be an impossibility just by the lack of thermite as evidence...9-11

Because therm*te fits. Where jet fuel, laser guns, nukes, or acid does not. And sorry for not being able to provide a tour guide of the inside of the WTC on 9/11 to see if bombs were planted... they kind of exploded before we could do that.

I can't believe your statement because it provides no solid, convincing evidence.







First off I think a full theory is kind of pointless, all I need to know is if they were rigged or not. and they obviously were.

So where's your "obvious" evidence? If it's so "obvious", why don't you turn in this "evidence?"
 
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I'm sorry guys, but what you're saying just doesn't add up. In fact, I've only been asking MORE questions since I came here! One question I ask is why would there be forensic specialists dealing with explosives at Ground Zero that you guys claim were there, and for all I know probably were. What would be the point if the towers could have obviously been destroyed by planes as you say then there wouldn't have been a need for a forensic investigation!
You do realize that the forensic investigation included more than just looking for explosives? Yes, there was a forensic examination at Fresh Kills.http://www.nysm.nysed.gov/exhibits/longterm/documents/recovery.pdf
The point being, that no explosives were found. Also, search dogs at Ground Zero did not detect explosives, and yes they are trained to detect thermite also.
I'm just going to leave this video here I was never talking about TNT or normal demolition stuff used, we're talking about thermite.
Tell me, what does a thermite demolition sound like?
 
I'm sorry guys, but what you're saying just doesn't add up. In fact, I've only been asking MORE questions since I came here! One question I ask is why would there be forensic specialists dealing with explosives at Ground Zero that you guys claim were there, and for all I know probably were. What would be the point if the towers could have obviously been destroyed by planes as you say then there wouldn't have been a need for a forensic investigation!

What you're trying to convince me of makes no sense, and my head is pounding because of it.

I'm just going to leave this video here I was never talking about TNT or normal demolition stuff used, we're talking about thermite. I would like you to note that the plumes of 'smoke' emerge from the floors before the corners collapse. BTW what that guy is seeing is exactly what I'm seeing, I'm seeing the floors go , boom, boom, boom. While the corners are left untouched until some floors later.

Just watch a close up video of the towers falling and you'll hear the 'booms' for yourself. You expect me to believe those are floors collapsing??

I already posted the firemen video in the op to and the collapse starts at around 3:43, explosions, not floors collapsing, can be heard. Clear audible unedited boooms.

Ok Relax, which is it. You keep asking us to listen for booms (Which are not heard), and then you tell us that we are not talking about normal demolition stuff, but instead thermite, which is an incendiary and does not make a boom. Were explosives used or was thermite used? Which is it?
 

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