Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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pilot padron said:
However, the conclusion below is much more aligned to my thinking and that of most other neutral and/or non FOA sources that I have seen today.

"This was a bizarre comment by Vecchiotti, which may call into question her own methods and possible contamination on her part."
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Who is that quote attributed to, what is the source?
 
Pilot, you clearly, do not understand what Vecchiotti meant by saying that her DNA could be on the bra clasp. Not the first time you fail to understand such simple things. I suggest you should go back and read more about the case and the evidence, then read the report by C&V and then come back. That is, if you want to.

Anyone know when Hellmann will make a decision about the controls?

And wasn't he the one who said that the contamination could very well take place before the items got to the lab? If he rules it's admissible, then I'll be surprised, but who knows?
 
pilot padron said:
OOOPS, the 'tear' is actually only a fold..one of several in the glove.:eek:
And this was found without photo shopping or manipulating horizontal and vertical scales as was done with some 'evidence' of innocence presented here earlier .
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Since one would ordinarily lead with her most powerful argument, I guess Stef, A.B. really thought she was hitting the ball out of the park with that observation.

I'm surprised the prosecution didn't ask for some form of corporal punishment based on this point. "If the glove ain't ripped, Amanda must be whipped."
 
pilot padron said:
However, the conclusion below is much more aligned to my thinking and that of most other neutral and/or non FOA sources that I have seen today.

"This was a bizarre comment by Vecchiotti, which may call into question her own methods and possible contamination on her part."
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Unless she had access to the item back when the original tests were done, it can't have anything to do with contamination on her part, since she and Conti didn't get any DNA results of their own. See the first section (pp.1-33) of the (translated) report.
 
JREF2010 said:

"We found them in a garage," she told the court, adding: "We believe they are admissible to the court."
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Hey, I bet someone could find the missing/unaffordable video of the Knox interrogation in a garage too.

I see many think Hellman has already made up his mind. Still, I don't think the defense should take any risks. Seeing as the prosecution is determined to drag things out, IMO the defense should do the same. I hope they press for further examination of the computer data and ToD.

I also hope they present a crystal clear summary of the prosecution's numerous errors, omissions, and dirty tricks. The list is long, and I don't think the general public is aware of ALL of the shenanigans.

My fear, regarding Hellman having already made up his mind, is that he may view sentence reduction as an acceptable compromise -- as a way to judge Knox/Sollecito less guilty, while appeasing the mob of indefatigable prosecutors. I don't think it's safe to assume he is entirely immune to the pressures of the Perugian good-old-boy network.
 
pilot padron said:
However, the conclusion below is much more aligned to my thinking and that of most other neutral and/or non FOA sources that I have seen today.

"This was a bizarre comment by Vecchiotti, which may call into question her own methods and possible contamination on her part."
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I'll ask again for emphasis. Where are you getting your information from? Who are you quoting? Just post the link, it takes 2 seconds.
 
smkovalinksy said:
Who is that quote attributed to, what is the source?
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It was written by an ignorant individual, who stupidly completely misunderstood Vecchiotti's assertion. Vecchiotti was referring to the original electropherograms generated by Ms Stefanoni in 2008 (at which point Vecchiotti had of course never come anywhere near the bra clasp). Vecchiotti was simply stating that the large jumbled number of peaks meant that a huge proportion of the population could potentially be matched to the bra clasp, and she illustrated that by showing that her own DNA profile matched the bra clasp mixed profile in nine places.

But the idiot who misinterpreted this clearly was under the impression that Vecchiotti had retested the bra clasp, and that it was this test that had resulted in the 9-point match. The idiot then went on to erroneously conclude that this meant that Vecchiotti had contaminated the bra clasp herself.

Then pilot padron cut-and-pasted the idiot's erroneous conclusion and attempted to pass it off as received wisdom. I think that speaks for itself......
 
LondonJohn said:
It was written by an ignorant individual, who stupidly completely misunderstood Vecchiotti's assertion. Vecchiotti was referring to the original electropherograms generated by Ms Stefanoni in 2008 (at which point Vecchiotti had of course never come anywhere near the bra clasp). Vecchiotti was simply stating that the large jumbled number of peaks meant that a huge proportion of the population could potentially be matched to the bra clasp, and she illustrated that by showing that her own DNA profile matched the bra clasp mixed profile in nine places.

But the idiot who misinterpreted this clearly was under the impression that Vecchiotti had retested the bra clasp, and that it was this test that had resulted in the 9-point match. The idiot then went on to erroneously conclude that this meant that Vecchiotti had contaminated the bra clasp herself.

Then pilot padron cut-and-pasted the idiot's erroneous conclusion and attempted to pass it off as received wisdom. I think that speaks for itself......
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Thanks for clarifying; it speaks loudly, yes.
 
TellyKNeasuss said:
Somebody who doesn't want the police to actually go into the room where the "break-in" occurred. DUH!!!
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Why would the police not want to go into the room where an alleged break-in occurred simply because they were informed that nothing was stolen? Why wouldn't the police want to examine the broken window and various surfacces in the room, in order to search for prints or other evidence that might lead to the perpetrator (or provide evidence of a staging)?

What logic therefore would underpin your assertion that Knox/Sollecito might have reasoned that saying such a thing (that nothing had been stolen) might deter the police from examining Filomena's room? What you've said makes absolutely no sense to me, I'm afraid.
 
maybe Casey Anthony did it

pilot padron said:
However, the conclusion below is much more aligned to my thinking and that of most other neutral and/or non FOA sources that I have seen today.

"This was a bizarre comment by Vecchiotti, which may call into question her own methods and possible contamination on her part."
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pilot padron,

Maundy Gregory found many of Casey Anthony's alleles on the clasp. Mixtures of DNA are inherently difficult to analyze. LondonJohn found an excellent article which touches upon this subject, but I do not have the citation handy at the moment.
 
Yet another quote about the Defense debacle today

["I think she (*Doctor* Stefanoni) managed to get the court's full attention and to have damaged the independent forensic work."

But oh dear, yes, this must be little other than just more:
1) "passed off perceived wisdom"....
2) "ignorant individual,who stupidly misunderstood......."
3)"The precise *impression* the aforementioned "idiot was under"
4) BTW is it so unacceptable to cut and paste when quoting another ?? Really

(yet again those mystical mind reading talents appear for above #1-3);)

Yawn.

ETA:
And more of Doctor Stefanoni is scheduled for tomorrow.
Sleep well
 
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pilot padron said:
["I think she (*Doctor* Stefanoni) managed to get the court's full attention and to have damaged the independent forensic work."

But oh dear, yes, this must be little other than just more:
1) "passed off perceived wisdom"....
2) "ignorant individual,who stupidly misunderstood......."
3)"The precise *impression* the aforementioned "idiot was under"

(yet again those mystical mind reading talents appear for above #1-3);)

Yawn.
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If you are so confident about this, why bother with people who obviously hold to a different opinion? Instead of yawning here, go whoop it up on PMF..... No one knows which way Hellman and the jury will swing, and in the end, that will determine all, whatever we argue here.....the objective truth may or may not be on your side, and may or may not win....I am puzzled as to why you want to be all sarcastic here, rather than quietly and confidently going off with your "truth"....I must be missing something...
 
pilot padron said:
And then the shocking admission that they found their own dna on the bra clasp.:eye-poppi

This also says quite a bit about how well C&V are holding up when finally being exposed to a few questions from the other side
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pilot padron,

Vecchiotti held up just fine. She even joked that there were SO MANY profiles that she could find Judge Hellmann's or her own; it would just be a matter of how she combined information. Do really think it is good news for the prosecution that the DNA expert says things are so contaminated she would be able to find Hellmann's DNA by picking and choosing among all the profiles?

"Independent expert Carla Vecchiotti told the hearing today that data was so mixed that a very high number of genetic profiles could be extracted, depending how one combined the data.

"I could find yours, too," Ms Vecchiotti told the presiding judge. "I'm there, too," she said, adding that some data was compatible with her own DNA. "

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/amanda-knox-dna-expert-defends-evidence-2349551.html
 
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