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The sad case of Niels Harrit

Is it not possible to put in a FOIA request with NIST for a certified sample of the WTC dust that they hold. I don't see why the dust would be any different to information and documentation requested by FOIA in this context.
 
Is it not possible to put in a FOIA request with NIST for a certified sample of the WTC dust that they hold. I don't see why the dust would be any different to information and documentation requested by FOIA in this context.


Good idea; go ahead. Meanwhile I'll put in an FOIA request for one of NIST's atomic clocks, because I've always wanted to play with one. I know the FOIA means they have to give one to me if I request it, because atomic clocks give information about what time it is so they're basically the same as documents. In this context, I mean. It's all about the context. Won't anyone think of the context?

:rolleyes:

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
Good idea; go ahead. Meanwhile I'll put in an FOIA request for one of NIST's atomic clocks, because I've always wanted to play with one. I know the FOIA means they have to give one to me if I request it, because atomic clocks give information about what time it is so they're basically the same as documents. In this context, I mean. It's all about the context. Won't anyone think of the context?

:rolleyes:

Respectfully,
Myriad

You seem to be quite the joker lately Myriad. Strange to see such a serious man turn into a clown dancing for debunkers.
 
Good idea; go ahead. Meanwhile I'll put in an FOIA request for one of NIST's atomic clocks, because I've always wanted to play with one. I know the FOIA means they have to give one to me if I request it, because atomic clocks give information about what time it is so they're basically the same as documents. In this context, I mean. It's all about the context. Won't anyone think of the context?

:rolleyes:

Respectfully,
Myriad

There's nothing to stop Sunstealer or one of his American cronies putting in a such a FOIA request for a certified sample of NIST's dust with a view to debunking Harrit. It seerms to be an obvious way to go. Do you agree ?
 
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There's nothing to stop Sunstealer or one of his American cronies putting in a such a FOIA request for a certified sample of NIST's dust with a view to debunking Harrit. It seerms to be an obvious way to go. Do you agree ?

FOIA. The I stands for information, as in copies of papers and such. Nowhere will you find anyone giving out actual samples of anything under the FOIA. The best that you could hope for is copies of their documentation for any analysis of samples that they might have done.
 
FOIA. The I stands for information, as in copies of papers and such. Nowhere will you find anyone giving out actual samples of anything under the FOIA. The best that you could hope for is copies of their documentation for any analysis of samples that they might have done.

Who says so ? Can you show me where a physical sample is excluded from the FOIA ? A document contains information. The dust contains information. Explain the significant difference please
 
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Who says so ? Can you show me where a physical sample is excluded from the FOIA ? A document contains information. The dust contains information. Explain the significant difference please

FOIA has never applied to physical evidence - you can get a transcript of a trial or minutes of a meeting, but at most you'd receive photographs of physical items under discussion.
 
FOIA has never applied to physical evidence - you can get a transcript of a trial or minutes of a meeting, but at most you'd receive photographs of physical items under discussion.

It's called the freedom of INFORMATION act, not the freedom of iinformation ON PAPER act as far as I know,, Why should the medium matter ?
 
You can't make copies of dust for starters.

Yeah Sam,sure....


PS you guys should be jumping for joy at the prospect of getting a pristine sample of dust from NIST and debuunkling Harrit. I expect tro see a move in that direction in short order or I (and others no doubt) will be forced to draw our own conclusions.
 
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It's called the freedom of INFORMATION act, not the freedom of iinformation ON PAPER act as far as I know,, Why should the medium matter ?

You know what's even crazier? I heard that they even put stuff on CDs and DVDs. NO PAPER AT ALL!!! What if you don't have a computer or a DVD player? Then what? Do they send you one for free? It's in the first word in the acronym after all.
 
You seem to be quite the joker lately Myriad. Strange to see such a serious man turn into a clown dancing for debunkers.


I couldn't believe that you honestly don't understand the difference between a data file or document (information), and a physical sample. So I assumed you were joking. Was I wrong?

Apparently not:

Just 'avin' a larf Sam.


Respectfully,
Myriad
 
I couldn't believe that you honestly don't understand the difference between a data file or document (information), and a physical sample. So I assumed you were joking. Was I wrong?

Apparently not:




Respectfully,
Myriad

Pretty poor stuff Myriad. You should take a break.
 
Harrit certainly hasn't explained why these chips are not paint because he used the wrong primer as the example and didn't read what I was saying. I've never claimed that chips a-d where tnemec red, that's Harrit's assumption. He doesn't seem to think that there are multiple sources for paint. Infact his own attempt to show it's not paint has given us more information showing us it is paint!

How do you know he was even responding to you? Why would he read JREF? If you could engage him like a grown-up does, you might be able to clear up some of these misunderstandings, undoubtedly all on your end.


If Harrit et al were so sure of their work they would have submitted their paper to a proper peer reviewed journal (where it would have been ripped to pieces in peer review and subsequently never published) and they would allow independent testing of their material. The fact that they do not speaks volumes. No-one has confirmed their findings and everyone who has looked at the paper who has the relevant knowledge says it's paint.

There simply isn't anything more to discuss. It really is sad when you see someone, such as Harrit, who should know better, disappear down the cesspit that is 9/11 truth.


Says an anonymous poster from the cesspit known as the JREF 9/11 forum. Yeah. We believe you. :D

If two or more other scientists conducted independent tests verifying that the chips were paint and nothing but paint, not only would Harrit and Jones (and all the other authors of that paper) acknowledge their error, but 9/11 truth would accept the new results. No one has done the former. That's the simple fact.

You believe yourself to be so undeniably correct, it's awfully strange that you don't want to confront Harrit more publicly, and really embarrass him big time. Instead you seem content merely to spread rumours anonymously from the sidelines. The only reason this can be is because you really don't want to engage this issue in a way where your analysis might be exposed as falsely premised.

We know that 9/11 "debunking" is mainly about creating doubt and spreading rumour; discrediting, with whatever means available, independent 9/11 research and researchers. Your approach here fits exactly that model. Whatever argument you think you have is going to continue to be ignored. Until you can come out of your little hidy place and engage the matter like someone who actually knows something about it, nothing's been debunked.

And whoever "Professor Pistorius" is, he needs to change his name. Good lord. :boggled: Is he your only expert?? :D
 
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I have been looking for a good picture of one of those chips with a mysterious grey layer, but all I see is paint chips with a raggedy layer of black oxide crust from the steel it was painted onto.
 
Yeah Sam,sure....


PS you guys should be jumping for joy at the prospect of getting a pristine sample of dust from NIST and debuunkling Harrit. I expect tro see a move in that direction in short order or I (and others no doubt) will be forced to draw our own conclusions.

Bill.....

IF Jones and Harrit had performed the correct tests and had actually identified real nano thermite in the dust......their paper would have been taken seriously years ago and we would already have examples of independent testing.

That's how science works.

The paper is ignored because Jones and Harrit never identified what any of the material was....the paper is worthless.

Why do you think they refuse to release their samples for independent testing? These guys aren't fools...they KNOW they screwed up....they KNOW if they did that then the game would be up. They are too invested in their beliefs to allow that to happen.....
 
And, let us not forget, even if they found thermXte, even if there was a 100tonne cache of thermXte on ground zero it would make no difference. There was no demolition.

Even if they found RDX, a mini-nuke or a laser weapon from space it is still "So what?"

There was no demolition.
 
And, let us not forget, even if they found thermXte, even if there was a 100tonne cache of thermXte on ground zero it would make no difference. There was no demolition.

Even if they found RDX, a mini-nuke or a laser weapon from space it is still "So what?"

There was no demolition.



That's the jref in a nutshell. Well done.
 
Skeptic article from Chris Mohr

Hi all,

Niels Harritt appears in my latest article in skeptic.com, and of course in my YouTube video rebuttals of Gages's Blueprint for Truth (there's a very active thread around these videos):

The two playlists for YouTube:
Section 1 Twin Towers (2 hours 9 minutes total) http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL92DAE5DE3C22CF4F&feature=viewall
Section 2 Building 7 (1 hour 35 minutes total) http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDD5BD81A636031A5&feature=viewall

Skeptic.com article: 9/7/11 http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/11-09-07/

Just had to boast; I'll be responding to comments on the Gage Blueprint for Truth rebuttal thread.
 

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