Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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Predictions for tomorrow's hearing? C&V cross-examination by Maresca. Will <Dr. Stefi make it to the stand tomorrow? Will Barbie be back in the tweet seat?

Needless theatrics. This ordeal will finally come to an end shortly but first the court must allow the prosecution to one last moment on the stage. By the end of the month, Hellmann will direct the jury to overturn the verdicts and send Amanda and Raffaele home.

I won't be listening to Barbie. I have much more trust in my sources. Maybe Barbie will be too busy looking for mixed blood in her house to participate.
 
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I predict all of a sudden more documents will appear (LOL). This time from Maresca.

He will go after C&V hard at pinpointing a moment of contamination.

The judge will tell Maresca to shut up and sit down. Comodi's head will explode or her pants rip, really hard to say.

Raffaele and Amanda will wear matching colors.
 
Don't bother with people like Hilades, as it's plain as day in video tape on YouTube (unless he's a complete idiot who hasn't done even the tiniest bit of homework) to see exactly what you just said about the gloves, booty's, tweezers, etc. Someone like this never learned the skill of listening which is an important skill to have in social situations much less discussions. Since he can't listen (social awkwardness) he won't be able to soak it in and respond to exactly what you said.

Is this also a re-translation Michelle?
 
fashion

Predictions for tomorrow's hearing? C&V cross-examination by Maresca. Will <Dr. Stefi make it to the stand tomorrow? Will Barbie be back in the tweet seat?
I don't think that the prosecution will call any expert witnesses to discredit C&V. Barbie will be more concerned with what people are wearing than the forensics.
 
I agree with you completely about Deanna's wardrobe. Ganong didn't make a mistake in wrongly describing the photo, she wanted to continue her smear campaign against Amanda's family. She learned from the media early on, and while most of the media has now seen the truth and corrected much if it's reporting, Ganong and her friends are still stuck in 2008.

If we are going to criticize clothing choices why not point out that Manuela Comodi's pants couldn't possibly be any tighter and I am sure many of you have seen how Monica Napoleoni presents herself. The photo of Napoleoni in blue jeans with her badge stuck in her cleavage is really professional.

http://i.imgur.com/Pn9z2.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/6tSud.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/p5RLb.jpg


The attacks on Amanda's family have been outrageous all while ignoring the actions of others. I personally don't care what Comodi and Napoleoni wear but, if you are going to be the fashion police, it's ridiculous to criticize Deanna's outfit which was a perfectly normal outfit while ignoring other attire that could easily draw criticism.


Bruce, where's the one with the see-through blouse and black bra?
 
Whether absurd or not is not excusable that after a few weeks they didn't get the need to dress correctly for the circumstances. Amanda had been planning the year in Italy for quite some time and should have picked up dress standards well before leaving. Many countries, from my travel experience, look askance at women wearing shorts in public.

Edda, certainly didn't need to be up-to-date when she arrived but should have been six months later.

And as for court attire, we here also favor a certain level of formality.

Here are pictures taken two years ago when Amanda's mother and sisters visited Perugia and posed for Gente magazine. These photos were reprinted on PMF and elsewhere, and ridiculed at great length.

Chris Mellas said that posing in front of the cottage was the idea of the photojournalist. I assume the subjects were instructed on what to wear and how to pose; the girls may even have been given the clothing. Ashley's clothes look new, and she has a professional make-up job, which I doubt she would have the experience to apply herself at age 14.

Media consultants and marketing professionals know what they're doing. They know how to appeal to subliminal drives in order to attract consumers. This knowledge seems to be second nature to Italian women, as well, judging from the photos we've seen. I believe Amanda's sisters were advised by Italians on how to dress both for court and in public, in order to increase the media response to their presence.
 
I respectfully disagree on both counts

I don't think that the prosecution will call any expert witnesses to discredit C&V. Barbie will be more concerned with what people are wearing than the forensics.

FWIW, Barbie apparently disagrees with what you think (again).

Of course:

1) I fully accept that Barbie is either hailed as a revered authority here when she reports something that this audience likes to hear about the case or she just as quickly is scorned as merely another a typical guilter idiot when she says something this audience does not wish to hear.

2) With that in mind and with my own personal respect for what she says somewhat greater than the cheap "what people are wearing" shot you regrettably proffer, Barbie has just said:
"Sched for grand finale #amandaknox appeal #perugia still fluid-depends on whether judge allows new prosecution witnesses. Big day 2morrow."
http://twitter.com/#!/BLNadeau

Lacking the affinity for or appreciation of the customary endless examinations and dogmatic pronunciations of "what other people mean" when they are directly quoted that is also so much in vogue here, I would suggest to you that in contrast to "what you think", the "other witnesses" have already been placed on a list awaiting Judge Hellman's decision to hear or not.

Finally you diminish your usual admirable impeccable demeanor while arguing here with the totally unnecessary and somewhat off topic fashonista versus forensics snarky ad hom like slur
 
FWIW, Barbie apparently disagrees with what you think (again).

Of course:

1) I fully accept that Barbie is either hailed as a revered authority here when she reports something that this audience likes to hear about the case or she just as quickly is scorned as merely another a typical guilter idiot when she says something this audience does not wish to hear.

2) With that in mind and with my own personal respect for what she says somewhat greater than the cheap "what people are wearing" shot you regrettably proffer, Barbie has just said:
"Sched for grand finale #amandaknox appeal #perugia still fluid-depends on whether judge allows new prosecution witnesses. Big day 2morrow."
http://twitter.com/#!/BLNadeau

Lacking the affinity for or appreciation of the customary endless examinations and dogmatic pronunciations of "what other people mean" when they are directly quoted that is also so much in vogue here, I would suggest to you that in contrast to "what you think", the "other witnesses" have already been placed on a list awaiting Judge Hellman's decision to hear or not.

Finally you diminish your usual admirable impeccable demeanor while arguing here with the totally unnecessary and somewhat off topic fashonista versus forensics snarky ad hom like slur

Barbie doesn't disagree. Halides said he does not think that experts will testify, Barbie says it's an important day because the judge may decide if new witnesses can testify.

So that would mean that Halides probably thinks that the judge will deny the additional witnesses. Its just a guess on my part but there is no disagreement as you describe. I am more than curious as to why you wrote an extended post that makes no sense.

Barbie is a tabloid type journalist so Halides comment about her reporting is spot on. Remember that this is the same woman that felt it was necessary to describe Meredith's naked body in great detail in her book even though it had absolutely nothing to add to the storyline.
 
Mary, please do tell us "the rest of the story"

Here are pictures taken two years ago when Amanda's mother and sisters visited Perugia and posed for Gente magazine. These photos were reprinted on PMF and elsewhere, and ridiculed at great length.

Chris Mellas said that posing in front of the cottage was the idea of the photojournalist. I assume the subjects were instructed on what to wear and how to pose; the girls may even have been given the clothing. Ashley's clothes look new, and she has a professional make-up job, which I doubt she would have the experience to apply herself at age 14.

Media consultants and marketing professionals know what they're doing. They know how to appeal to subliminal drives in order to attract consumers. This knowledge seems to be second nature to Italian women, as well, judging from the photos we've seen. I believe Amanda's sisters were advised by Italians on how to dress both for court and in public, in order to increase the media response to their presence.

1) Although I will not scour long past posts on PMF, and readily agree that you doing so may very well turn up one or two that say what you infer.
That being said, I very well recall that there was overall very definitely little if any criticism of the girls themselves that you also infer.
The younger girls obviously were unaware of basic fashion etiquette to avoid being grouped as 'ugly Americans' disrespecting the site of a brutal senseless death and cheapening themselves in the process of so doing.
The PMF criticism was almost entirely of the adults who managed this abhorable accumulation of photo ops.

2) And on that topic, what I also very well recall is that yes, "Italians may indeed have 'exploited the youngsters' naivety' as you claim.
However, specifically what I do pointedly recall is the well known accusation that the particular "Italian" who played the major role in that 'photo op' was none other than the ubiquitous Frank Sfarzo.
As you know, Frank was and still is quite closely aligned with the Mellas senior you that choose to quote above for us and incidentally always leaves me personally quite unimpressed with his accuracy.

3) Your absurd opinion that Italians "dressed the girls so promiscuously for dramatic effect" not only requires a huge suspension of disbelief but is an even bigger insult to the intelligence/common sense and/or lack thereof of the Mellox parenting skills as well as their media consultant (Marriott) that you acknowledge.
Surely you realize how bad you make Mellox and Marriott appear. Don't you?

4) Your belief that a 14 year old girl cannot apply make up is even more absurd, and requires no rebuttal.
 
Silence of the Lambs...

FWIW, Barbie apparently disagrees with what you think (again).

Of course:

1) I fully accept that Barbie is either hailed as a revered authority here when she reports something that this audience likes to hear about the case or she just as quickly is scorned as merely another a typical guilter idiot when she says something this audience does not wish to hear.

2) With that in mind and with my own personal respect for what she says somewhat greater than the cheap "what people are wearing" shot you regrettably proffer, Barbie has just said:
"Sched for grand finale #amandaknox appeal #perugia still fluid-depends on whether judge allows new prosecution witnesses. Big day 2morrow."
http://twitter.com/#!/BLNadeau

Lacking the affinity for or appreciation of the customary endless examinations and dogmatic pronunciations of "what other people mean" when they are directly quoted that is also so much in vogue here, I would suggest to you that in contrast to "what you think", the "other witnesses" have already been placed on a list awaiting Judge Hellman's decision to hear or not.

Finally you diminish your usual admirable impeccable demeanor while arguing here with the totally unnecessary and somewhat off topic fashonista versus forensics snarky ad hom like slur
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this reminds me of that part of the movie where Foster ask Hopkins why he doesn't point that highly intellectual and perceptive mind at himself and analyze his own behavior. He gets all pissed off and tells her to fly away little biirdie. Hehehe...
 
1) Although I will not scour long past posts on PMF, and readily agree that you doing so may very well turn up one or two that say what you infer.
That being said, I very well recall that there was overall very definitely little if any criticism of the girls themselves that you also infer.
The younger girls obviously were unaware of basic fashion etiquette to avoid being grouped as 'ugly Americans' disrespecting the site of a brutal senseless death and cheapening themselves in the process of so doing.
The PMF criticism was almost entirely of the adults who managed this abhorable accumulation of photo ops.

2) And on that topic, what I also very well recall is that yes, "Italians may indeed have 'exploited the youngsters' naivety' as you claim.
However, specifically what I do pointedly recall is the well known accusation that the particular "Italian" who played the major role in that 'photo op' was none other than the ubiquitous Frank Sfarzo.
As you know, Frank was and still is quite closely aligned with the Mellas senior you that choose to quote above for us and incidentally always leaves me personally quite unimpressed with his accuracy.

3) Your absurd opinion that Italians "dressed the girls so promiscuously for dramatic effect" not only requires a huge suspension of disbelief but is an even bigger insult to the intelligence/common sense and/or lack thereof of the Mellox parenting skills as well as their media consultant (Marriott) that you acknowledge.
Surely you realize how bad you make Mellox and Marriott appear. Don't you?

4) Your belief that a 14 year old girl cannot apply make up is even more absurd, and requires no rebuttal.

Are you acknowledging that you participate on PMF? That's shocking! I had no idea!
 
It really is funny...

1) Although I will not scour long past posts on PMF, and readily agree that you doing so may very well turn up one or two that say what you infer.
That being said, I very well recall that there was overall very definitely little if any criticism of the girls themselves that you also infer.
The younger girls obviously were unaware of basic fashion etiquette to avoid being grouped as 'ugly Americans' disrespecting the site of a brutal senseless death and cheapening themselves in the process of so doing.
The PMF criticism was almost entirely of the adults who managed this abhorable accumulation of photo ops.

2) And on that topic, what I also very well recall is that yes, "Italians may indeed have 'exploited the youngsters' naivety' as you claim.
However, specifically what I do pointedly recall is the well known accusation that the particular "Italian" who played the major role in that 'photo op' was none other than the ubiquitous Frank Sfarzo.
As you know, Frank was and still is quite closely aligned with the Mellas senior you that choose to quote above for us and incidentally always leaves me personally quite unimpressed with his accuracy.

3) Your absurd opinion that Italians "dressed the girls so promiscuously for dramatic effect" not only requires a huge suspension of disbelief but is an even bigger insult to the intelligence/common sense and/or lack thereof of the Mellox parenting skills as well as their media consultant (Marriott) that you acknowledge.
Surely you realize how bad you make Mellox and Marriott appear. Don't you?

4) Your belief that a 14 year old girl cannot apply make up is even more absurd, and requires no rebuttal.
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and so sad how some people like Hannibal Lechter (sp?) can be so perceptive of other people's faults but then be so blind to their own...
 
1) Although I will not scour long past posts on PMF, and readily agree that you doing so may very well turn up one or two that say what you infer.
That being said, I very well recall that there was overall very definitely little if any criticism of the girls themselves that you also infer.
The younger girls obviously were unaware of basic fashion etiquette to avoid being grouped as 'ugly Americans' disrespecting the site of a brutal senseless death and cheapening themselves in the process of so doing.
The PMF criticism was almost entirely of the adults who managed this abhorable accumulation of photo ops.

2) And on that topic, what I also very well recall is that yes, "Italians may indeed have 'exploited the youngsters' naivety' as you claim.
However, specifically what I do pointedly recall is the well known accusation that the particular "Italian" who played the major role in that 'photo op' was none other than the ubiquitous Frank Sfarzo.
As you know, Frank was and still is quite closely aligned with the Mellas senior you that choose to quote above for us and incidentally always leaves me personally quite unimpressed with his accuracy.

3) Your absurd opinion that Italians "dressed the girls so promiscuously for dramatic effect" not only requires a huge suspension of disbelief but is an even bigger insult to the intelligence/common sense and/or lack thereof of the Mellox parenting skills as well as their media consultant (Marriott) that you acknowledge.
Surely you realize how bad you make Mellox and Marriott appear. Don't you?

4) Your belief that a 14 year old girl cannot apply make up is even more absurd, and requires no rebuttal.

Do you honestly think the girls are dressed promiscuously? They are wearing outfits that you would see in any school in America.
 
Predictions for tomorrow's hearing? C&V cross-examination by Maresca. Will <Dr. Stefi make it to the stand tomorrow? Will Barbie be back in the tweet seat?

Raffael to lead Amanda into luring Mignini, Commodi and Maresca into a group sex game in court, before murdering them with a common kitchen knife smuggled from prison.
 
Raffael to lead Amanda into luring Mignini, Commodi and Maresca into a group sex game in court, before murdering them with a common kitchen knife smuggled from prison.
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Won't Hellmann get jealous? That can't be a good thing. Now tell me again why Raffaele is the leader here... shouldn't Amanda lead and shouldn't she be in the other room with a bullhorn...
 
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FWIW, Barbie apparently disagrees with what you think (again).

Of course:

1) I fully accept that Barbie is either hailed as a revered authority here when she reports something that this audience likes to hear about the case or she just as quickly is scorned as merely another a typical guilter idiot when she says something this audience does not wish to hear.

I suspect there needs to be a new 'White Knight Talking Backwards,' and come to think about it, perhaps there was a better one all along, as I don't think the last one ever truly belonged. On the other hand who is the most fervent defender of that little hole, its idols, its mission, the one attacking and mocking its enemies even without support, and who of course has taken to calling others 'White Knights?' Therefore I think we've found one who fits even more perfectly into the mural of 'Projection Mal Faite.' :)

Everyone rational is surprised but pleased when Barbie gets something right, which is something we can corroborate with the other facts of the case and more consistent sources of information. Since we don't have to rely solely on her and a Dreamweaver's Den for our information, this is easy to determine and some hold out a forlorn hope it might wake those out of their haze, though from this current twitter you report it appears she's sinking back into the dream herself.

2) With that in mind and with my own personal respect for what she says somewhat greater than the cheap "what people are wearing" shot you regrettably proffer, Barbie has just said:
"Sched for grand finale #amandaknox appeal #perugia still fluid-depends on whether judge allows new prosecution witnesses. Big day 2morrow."
http://twitter.com/#!/BLNadeau

See what I mean? What on earth could she possibly mean by 'Perugia still fluid' and it depends on the judge allowing prosecution witnesses? She must be living in a fantasy world. What could we expect from this witness, is this the one referred to in Christiana's recent post, the relevant portion which translates something like this:

Phineas Gage Follies: said:
To bring up the last inmate with a 'criminal record' is another prominent prisoner, that Cosmo Zaccaro already heard in the Court of Assizes of Appeal (President Claudio Pratillo Hellmann, alongside Massimo Zanetti - as indicated by the prosecutor General as a witness in rebuttal by Mario Alessi and Luciano Aviello (the latter in turn has recently recanted). A self-styled secret service employee of the Finance Zaccaro was sentenced for having invented the existence of a conspiracy of the 'Falange Army' against Italian State. In the classroom enriches the chapter of another witness-convicts yellow Aviello would invent the story of his brother-murderess for a fee in order to submit to surgery.

A few weeks Aviello actually has virtually confirmed that story to the prosecutors presenting the case voluntarily - Manuela Giuliano Mignini and Comfortable - recanting everything and explaining that he had lied in court.


Even Zaccaro has come back in via Fiorenzo di Lorenzo to add some details about the murder of British student. He said in particular that would have revealed that their Catapano was Raffaele Sollecito and break the glass of the room to simulate Filomena Romanelli at Via della Pergola theft and away from himself and the suspects in the murder of Amanda. Catapano, however, no confirmation. Remember the shared custody with ex-boyfriend of the enigmatic American but does not remember the 'cat lady' that would surprise Raffaele to break the glass.

Pilot, what does that even say? The railroad spike has left a clean hole and my brains have oozed out entirely, my ability to comprehend machine-translated Italian has apparently left the building with Elvis. The best I can make out is the imaginary secret service agent who invents conspiracies against the Italian State, last seen wondering aloud in jealousy about Aviello's prison job, seemingly suspicious of a conspiracy, now 'remembers' something about some clown named Catapano. He's the guy (?) in the first paragraph of the story for those brave enough to follow the link, who "regretted the Camorra" whatever the hell that means. Now he's breaking the glass of Filomena's room with Raffaele, but doesn't remember the 'Cat Lady'--whom I'm guessing is 'Amanda?' I thought she was a 'Fox?' Or a deer named 'Bambi?' Now she's a kitten? She draws bunnies in court! Dear Lord! Look what we've found! :p

Barbie thinks for some reason this puts the appeal 'up in the air?!?' I suspect Barbie needs to lay off the odorous smokables. The next thing we know Maresca will be insisting that Luxxor the transsexual testify on this newly discovered plot of worthless testimony for sex change operations, and will demand the case be appealed to the Supreme Court by the prosecution if this crucial new 'evidence' isn't examined thoroughly! I do like the reminder of how Comodi's name gets translated by Gobble 'translate' as 'comfortable' as that is how I feel sometimes trying to figure out this case--it's a contact high! :cool:

Lacking the affinity for or appreciation of the customary endless examinations and dogmatic pronunciations of "what other people mean" when they are directly quoted that is also so much in vogue here, I would suggest to you that in contrast to "what you think", the "other witnesses" have already been placed on a list awaiting Judge Hellman's decision to hear or not.

What you you think about all this, Pilot? Do you think this is a real inquiry into the death of a girl, or a rather absurd attempt by a delusional prosecutor? Do you really care to hear more about the sex-change conspiracy? Do you think it will convince anyone that Raffaele and Amanda were involved in this screwball's nutty theory? Do you understand why people have difficulty taking Barbie Nadeau seriously when she thinks the case hinges on idiocy like this?

Finally you diminish your usual admirable impeccable demeanor while arguing here with the totally unnecessary and somewhat off topic fashonista versus forensics snarky ad hom like slur

At least she had something of a point there, as Bri and others noted about the odd dress codes prevalent in Italy. Maybe she should go back to writing about the fashion of the people in court, I'm especially interested in Comodi's painted-on crotch-killer pants, and Napoleoni's 'cleavagy slut-bomb' tops.
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So theres only two options:

1 Hellman agrees with the Massei report

2 Hellman didn't feel these pieces mean anything, without the knife and bra clasp.(there is no case if the main fail)

I've been thinking about this a lot over the past few weeks. It seems almost certain that Hellman selected for review only those areas of the prosecution's case that have the most bearing on the question of innocence. The review of the key witnesses and the review of the DNA came out strongly in favor of the defense, with C&V's in-court presentation casting a wider net of doubt over the prosecution's entire forensic framework.

Unless the prosecution is able to resuscitate the eyewitnesses (impossible) or the forensics (very unlikely) it would be hard for the court to justify anything but an acquittal. At this point I wouldn't even want to attempt to write a motivations report that stitches together all the rips in the prosecution's case.

Hello JREF!
 
It is interesting to note that the Italian version on TGCOM is much better than the above "original".

Still, I'd hesitate to toss around the accusation of forgery, even in the case of someone as shameless as Maresca; just as likely, perhaps, is that the above is not actually the original, but a re-translation of an Italian translation.

Very sorry to jump in so late on this issue but I find it very, very interesting that two persons who understand and speak Italian and are of opposite opinions on this case have both alluded to this letter making more sense in Italian.

Yummi our friend also known as Machavelli posted that he thought for sure that Stephy must have written this letter originally in Italian and or perhaps both Italian and English. He is not a brilliant analyst in this case but he certainly works hard at English translation and seems to be extra careful in terminology. English is his second language...

And so I find it remarkable that two persons find some odd issues with this letter. Particularly that it makes more sense in the Italian...which leads me to think this letter along with its timing certainly comes from the slimiest lawyer in Italy...Maresca. Its exactly what he would do. He has been shameless in every area so far...

I would never think from reading the letter that it was that incorrect…English is a messed up language and I’m well past learning and I know I am often incomprehensible. I simply don’t care. I’ll continue to drive on a parkway and park in the driveway…that just aint changing with me.

This letter seems like the final disgrace that could ever be put forth in the name of the victim. It’s the cheapest final ploy of a lawyer desperate to avoid the facts and yet to tug at the heartstrings of the judges and jury. Its so cheap that it disgraces the memory of poor Meredith….our poor sisters blood in mixed traces at points a,b,c,d…..insert swear word here… give me a friggin break…I’m sorry but I see this thing as the lowest of low points.
 
You have evidence for this?

Didn't think so. I think I'll just add this to the string of conspiracy theories I've been collecting from this thread.


Hi there Lionking....good one.

You might want to add the question as to why the sister is writing a letter to the lawyer (Maresca) about the prosecutions case. Do you think maybe she is worried Maresca doesn’t fully grasp the issues?
 
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