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Nick Terry said:
That's just... pathetic.

Declaring yourself not guilty means denying your own responsibility for a charge. You can deny personal knowledge of a crime but this doesn't deny the crime itself.

"I didn't know" and "it was secret" and "not my department" do not constitute substantive negations or refutations.
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In addition, my understanding is that the Allies' chief interest in defendant Goering at Nuremberg had almost nothing to do with the mass murder of the Jews. The focus with Fat Stuff was on his roles in party and government, in economic planning, and as head of the Luftwaffe.

Despite the prosecution's having a copy of Goering's famous memo delegating the final solution to Heydrich, the prosecution went after Goering mainly for information on his various duties in governing and prosecuting the war effort, how the regime worked, his looting of art, the effect of air raids on Germany's war effort, Lutftwaffe operations, and other aspects of the indictment.

This reality flies in the face of the deniers' concoction of a conspiracy theory regarding the IMT in the history of the Holocaust and shows in a small way the vacuity of denial's "case against Nuremberg."
 
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MG1962 said:
Dude seriously thats a stretch. 160 war criminals is now a genocide?
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Che Guevara murdered nearly 2,000 people during his time as La Cabana gulag commandant. Due to his refraining from entering combat during the cuban revolution, and the failure of his Bolivian misadventure, they're the only people he could kill.

Geuvaras murders are not a genocide by themselves, but are part of the larger holocaust inflicted by communism.
 
Mondial said:
The New York Times reported that "6 million" Jews were facing "extermination" in 1921. http://exposing-the-holocaust-hoax-.../6-million-jews-holocausted-in-russia-in.html So it's easy to see where the sacred 6 million figure came from and it was a long time before world war 2.
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Every point that is made is refuted a couple days later by one of them when they say something like the following from Kevin.Silbstedt

You are either dishonest or completely nuts. You have not presented a single fact, that proves your account of the holocaust.
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Everything you say is day one.
 
Gwynpaine said:
To be fair to Ahmadinejad, he does not pretend to appeal to a general principle: his challenge is specific. “IF you are so confident that that this Holocaust story is true then why don’t you allow unfettered research. If you were really sure that further research is otiose then you would not forbid it.”
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This reminds me of the 30 most common excuses for the epic fail that is denial:

1. 'It' is illegal, even when it's not
2. Open-access archives have an invisible anti-investigation barrier thrown around them whenever a revisionist approaches
3. Public libraries also have an invisible anti-investigation barrier thrown around them whenever a revisionist approaches
4. amazon.com/co.uk/.de/.fr does not give books away for free, which is unfair
5. revisionists are too afraid to click on websites containing free materials because they might be tracked
6. thinking up a proper pseudonym is too much like hard work, except when some other revisionist does it, in which case they are a hero
7. the "playing field" is "not level" because the Industry sneakily ensured well in advance of the rev taking an interest in revisionism that they received a shoddy to nonexistent education in basic reasoning skills or research methodologies
8. it is unfair that pious repetitions of mantras do not count as hard evidence
9. the other side refuse to do all our work for us
10. only investigative form [insert type here] can possibly resolve the question, and is either impossible/unlikely to happen overnight/too much like hard work, so therefore any possible resolution of the question is postponed until doomsday.
11. it is unfair to expect us to be coherent and write comprehensible prose
12. it is unfair to take us literally when we ask for 'a debate'
13. My video will be ready shortly, then I'll show you
14. It is very difficult conducting field research while wearing a clown suit
15. It is unreasonable to expect that enough anomalies were left for someone to find.
16. Even though I cannot substantiate my beliefs, I don't believe, and that's all that counts, so nur nur nur
17. "Belief" is Orwellian
18. You can't say anything Joos don't like without winding up ostracized as an antisemite or landing in jail.
19. Krege has had no opportunity to publish his report, even though he attended the Holocaust Conference in Iran
20. It's very hard to keep track of things we have read, and unfair that you won't take our word for it
21. I can't really give you any other details because I can't remember everything that my heroes, Goering, Irving, Butz, and Himmler, talked about
22. I found a link that listed all this awhile back but misplaced it.
23. Dresden
24. You Believers should realise that I will continue to keep your activities and whereabouts under close observation. I will denounce KF9 as the stalker he is, too, by the way.
25. Every bit of evidence is a lie, part of the propaganda put together by the victors
26. Anyone who could have shed light on the Jewish policy of the Third Reich was murdered, so there was no Jewish policy, and, if there was one, it went too lightly on those goddamned Jews.
27. I'm not authorized to name the source ("dessen genaue Quelle preiszugeben ich noch nicht befugt bin")
28. It is not up to deniers to prove an alternative.
29. It is our right to ignore any question that we cannot answer. See # 28.
30. The Joos control EVERYTHING!
 
Originally Posted by Mondial
The New York Times reported that "6 million" Jews were facing "extermination" in 1921. http://exposing-the-holocaust-hoax-a...russia-in.html So it's easy to see where the sacred 6 million figure came from and it was a long time before world war 2.
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Every point that is made is refuted a couple days later by one of them when they say something like the following from Kevin.Silbstedt

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You are either dishonest or completely nuts. You have not presented a single fact, that proves your account of the holocaust.
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Everything you say is day one.


Nick Terry said:
This reminds me of the 30 most common excuses for the epic fail that is denial:

1. 'It' is illegal, even when it's not
2. Open-access archives have an invisible anti-investigation barrier thrown around them whenever a revisionist approaches
3. Public libraries also have an invisible anti-investigation barrier thrown around them whenever a revisionist approaches
4. amazon.com/co.uk/.de/.fr does not give books away for free, which is unfair
5. revisionists are too afraid to click on websites containing free materials because they might be tracked
6. thinking up a proper pseudonym is too much like hard work, except when some other revisionist does it, in which case they are a hero
7. the "playing field" is "not level" because the Industry sneakily ensured well in advance of the rev taking an interest in revisionism that they received a shoddy to nonexistent education in basic reasoning skills or research methodologies
8. it is unfair that pious repetitions of mantras do not count as hard evidence
9. the other side refuse to do all our work for us
10. only investigative form [insert type here] can possibly resolve the question, and is either impossible/unlikely to happen overnight/too much like hard work, so therefore any possible resolution of the question is postponed until doomsday.
11. it is unfair to expect us to be coherent and write comprehensible prose
12. it is unfair to take us literally when we ask for 'a debate'
13. My video will be ready shortly, then I'll show you
14. It is very difficult conducting field research while wearing a clown suit
15. It is unreasonable to expect that enough anomalies were left for someone to find.
16. Even though I cannot substantiate my beliefs, I don't believe, and that's all that counts, so nur nur nur
17. "Belief" is Orwellian
18. You can't say anything Joos don't like without winding up ostracized as an antisemite or landing in jail.
19. Krege has had no opportunity to publish his report, even though he attended the Holocaust Conference in Iran
20. It's very hard to keep track of things we have read, and unfair that you won't take our word for it
21. I can't really give you any other details because I can't remember everything that my heroes, Goering, Irving, Butz, and Himmler, talked about
22. I found a link that listed all this awhile back but misplaced it.
23. Dresden
24. You Believers should realise that I will continue to keep your activities and whereabouts under close observation. I will denounce KF9 as the stalker he is, too, by the way.
25. Every bit of evidence is a lie, part of the propaganda put together by the victors
26. Anyone who could have shed light on the Jewish policy of the Third Reich was murdered, so there was no Jewish policy, and, if there was one, it went too lightly on those goddamned Jews.
27. I'm not authorized to name the source ("dessen genaue Quelle preiszugeben ich noch nicht befugt bin")
28. It is not up to deniers to prove an alternative.
29. It is our right to ignore any question that we cannot answer. See # 28.
30. The Joos control EVERYTHING!
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I must have hit a nerve. All the Holocaust hate and mind control rolled into one post. Like a script. An Elders of Zion type crib sheet to deal with Revisionists and possible Revisionists before they know about revisionism and the Holohoax.

Brazenly mixing nonsense with the truth. A bold stroke.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Everything you say is day one.
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You are not the first to point this out ..... from Mein Kampf .....

"The more I argued with them, the better I came to know their dialectic. First they counted on the stupidity of their adversary, and then, when there was no other way out, they themselves simply played stupid. If all this didn't help, they pretended not to understand, or, if challenged, they changed the subject in a hurry, quoted platitudes which, if you accepted them, they immediately related to entirely different matters, and then, if again attacked, gave ground and pretended not to know exactly what you were talking about. Whenever you tried to attack one of these apostles, your hand closed on a jelly-like slime which divided up and poured through your fingers, but in the next moment collected again. But if you really struck one of these fellows so telling a blow that, observed by the audience, he couldn't help but agree, and if you believed that this had taken you at least one step forward, your amazement was great the next day. The Jew had not the slightest recollection of the day before, he rattled off his same old nonsense as though nothing at all had happened, and, if indignantly challenged, affected amazement; he couldn't remember a thing, except that he had proved the correctness of his assertions the previous day.

Sometimes I stood there thunderstruck.

I didn't know what to be more amazed at: the agility of their tongues or their virtuosity at lying.

Gradually I began to hate them."
 
Seven up's response to a devastating list such as the above which has been carefully observed from online long-term traits and antics that deniers themselves exhibit, is to post something from Mein Kampf? Something about Hitler hating Jews?

LOL.

Have a look in the mirror Seven Up, instead of running back to, "the fuhrer says..."
 
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To Mondial, CM and Saggs:

The article you refer to -- can you point to a single error of fact in it?

What *was* the Jewish population in Eastern Europe at the time, and how were they being treated?

And how do you reconcile this with the claim that Communism was a "Jooosh" thing?

And finally, what does *any* of this have to do with the historicity of the Holocaust, and your ideologically driven need to deny it?
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Not so. Indeed why should I have to resort to googling the term, "day one," to understand that it means "basic knowledge" Clayton Moore? It is up to you to communicate more effectively and to stop wasting people's time. I hope the only points you are able to score against your opponents don't involve being patently opaque. Posters really cannot be bothered to chase up ever vague or obscure piece of argot you use.
 
Cyrix686 said:
Not so. Indeed why should I have to resort to googling the term, "day one," to understand that it means "basic knowledge" Clayton Moore? It is up to you to communicate more effectively and to stop wasting people's time. I hope the only points you are able to score against your opponents don't involve being patently opaque. Posters really cannot be bothered to chase up ever vague or obscure piece of argot you use.
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At least zie isn't trying to talk l33t or use obscure alternative meanings to words and phrase things in a deliberately misleading manner this time. Zir IBM Systems
Programmer might pawn zie if zie did.
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Sword_Of_Truth said:
But not so with the Holocaust. The Allied countries had free run of the former third reich. We could go where we wanted to, talk to whom we wanted to and anyone who tried to stop us would have wound up on the docket next to Georing and Himmler.
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I think that's a pretty good summary of how the evidence for the holocaust differs from that of any other historical event. Eyewitness statements given under those circumstances are considered valid and reliable even when eyewitnesses describe highly improbable events for which no other type of evidence exists.

BTW: It's Goering, not Georing, and Himmler was never tried.


Mostly. They may also contain traces of jewish urine.
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Then it will quench my thirst when the Germans deny me water, right?
 
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