Missile??

Well I would disagree with "all over" Manhattan, but yes they were found.

I would absolutely say "all over lower Manhattan. I remember stepping over many plane parts before the collapses. And also body parts.

But you know an interesting thing is no serial numbers have publicly been announced and verified as belonging to the planes they should have. In fact there is very good evidence, that this was not done at all.

"Federal Defendant has determined that there are no responsive records. The identities of the airplanes hijacked in the September 11 attacks was never in question, and, therefore, there were no records generated"
http://911blogger.com/node/14406

I've hilited the part you seem to conveniently miss. Often.

I think there is more than one way to identify an airplane.
 
Well I would disagree with "all over" Manhattan, but yes they were found. But you know an interesting thing is no serial numbers have publicly been announced and verified as belonging to the planes they should have. In fact there is very good evidence, that this was not done at all.

"Federal Defendant has determined that there are no responsive records. The identities of the airplanes hijacked in the September 11 attacks was never in question, and, therefore, there were no records generated"
http://911blogger.com/node/14406


and what part of "The identities of the airplanes hijacked in the September 11 attacks was never in question, and, therefore, there were no records generated" didn't you understand????

No sane person questions which planes hit and they don't spend money on keeping the insane happy (if that was even possible).
 
But you know an interesting thing is no serial numbers have publicly been announced and verified as belonging to the planes they should have. In fact there is very good evidence, that this was not done at all.

*facepalm*

"Federal Defendant has determined that there are no responsive records. The identities of the airplanes hijacked in the September 11 attacks was never in question, and, therefore, there were no records generated"

Contradict yourself much?
 
Oh, you'd be shocked to know his level of education, or so tmd2-1 says.

He says that like it's a good thing... :boggled:

Is it possible for an education level to be a negative number?
 
I would absolutely say "all over lower Manhattan. I remember stepping over many plane parts before the collapses. And also body parts.



I've hilited the part you seem to conveniently miss. Often.

I think there is more than one way to identify an airplane.

Well I can't blame you for circular reasoning you are only following NIST's example.
 
No, I'm following the FBI et al's example by saying that the indentification of the aricraft was never in doubt. I mean, how else could you identify an airplane?
 
You are just playing games. This is just like when you couldn't see the silver pouring out of the container. You know that first flash is orange and shouldn't be there.

You also know the point of my video showing the F-4 test. You are smart guy, you have to know. That is how a flash (whatever the reason) should look AFTER impact. Compare that to 175, and you can clearly see the difference.

Look at these sets of stills. Tell me it doesn't look like something is traveling along side the A/C?

It doesn't look like something is traveling along side the aircraft.
 
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My responses in bold.


Thor is designed to pierce heavily armored vehicles, vehicles designed to take the impact of weapons. There is not doubt something like it could do the job. I am only talking about concept, what was actually used could and would have been bigger, greatly adding to the destructive force.

Thor is a vehicle mounted launcher for the starstreak missile, neither it, nor the starstreak are designed to attack heavily armoured vehicles. Starstreak is primarily an anti-aircraft system with a limited capability against lightly armoured vehicles like APCs.

It's a necessary objective because perhaps, if that was not plane it was suppose to be, they would want as little parts to fall back as possible.

Since identifiable parts of the plane (the right plane) did make it to the ground it seems to have been ineffective and unnecessary.


Giving a quantitative assessment to the amount of fallback is nearly impossible and you know that. But to try look at the calculations for the loss of momentum upon impact (this will address Mackey as well) They vary wildly by even those that SUPPORT the official story. But that's only initial impact, anything else is very difficult to compute. You have the wings, you have the engines,
you have the tail, you also have the fact that the A/C may not enter perfectly straight, will all of this it is nearly impossible to get a true momentum loss. Why not do everything you can to have the A/C penetrate as far as it can before it encounters any real resistance?

Al qaeda had no reason to want to prevent parts of the aircraft from falling back. Given their level of education they probably figured the aircraft had enough momentum and inertia to do the damage they wanted.


In regards to speed of a possible projectile all you have to do is go to post 530, and again that is not my math. If it is fired one second before hand, it could be going twice as fast the A/C. So let's just take it conservative and say 1600 ft a second. Plug a 30-40 pound weapon into the kinetic energy formula, and you are talking about a lot of damage.

Pity there's no evidence for a projectile nor any need for one.

They are anomalous flashes because try as people have, it can not be explained.

Not explained to your standard of proof doesn't mean suspicious
 
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Is it possible for an education level to be a negative number?

Truther: (All excited like a puppy with a ball) So, so how'd I do?
Tester: Erm, very well. Quite extra-ordinary.
Truther: So what's my score?
Tester: Minus eleventy.
Truther: Lol eleventy, you said eleventy!!!
Tester: Now if you'll just slip your arms in here and here.
 
Thor is designed to pierce heavily armored vehicles, vehicles designed to take the impact of weapons. There is not doubt something like it could do the job. I am only talking about concept, what was actually used could and would have been bigger, greatly adding to the destructive force.
For once, you would be right. What was actually used was indeed bigger. It's called a "Boeing 767".

It's a necessary objective because perhaps, if that was not plane it was suppose to be, they would want as little parts to fall back as possible.
Hahahahahaha :D

Giving a quantitative assessment to the amount of fallback is nearly impossible and you know that.
Incorrect.

But to try look at the calculations for the loss of momentum upon impact (this will address Mackey as well)
Where are these calculations?

They vary wildly by even those that SUPPORT the official story.
a) How do you know? Where have you seen those calcs?
b) So what? There will be an upper and lower bound. We can look at those.

But that's only initial impact, anything else is very difficult to compute.
And yet, a team of Purdue University has done just that. Oh, and NIST did it, too! Amazing, isn't it? Mackey just did the sanity check, and it worked out fine.
Seems like smart people with sufficient knowledge of physics, engineering and math find such things much easier than you do. That's solely your problem.

You have the wings, you have the engines,
you have the tail, you also have the fact that the A/C may not enter perfectly straight, will all of this it is nearly impossible to get a true momentum loss.
You can't compute these things to absolute mathematical precision, but you can get damned close. Within 10% or 20% of "truth" will absolutely do!

Why not do everything you can to have the A/C penetrate as far as it can before it encounters any real resistance?
If you would please provide NUMBERS for the kinetic energy (and momentum) of a plausible missile!? Once we see those numbers, and compare them with the numbers for the 767 that we already have, you may grasp that adding a missile that's launched 1 second before impact is insignificant! A missile would add fewer %s that the error of margin of our calculation for momentum loss.

In regards to speed of a possible projectile all you have to do is go to post 530, and again that is not my math.
But I do want to see your math! You make claims that rest on your believes about the physics and the math of kinetic energy missiles. Either you know what you are talking about, then show your work; or you don't know what you are talking about, then STFU!
Post 530 assumes some missile that accelerates at 60g. You say you need a much bigger missile for your purposes. Would a much bigger missile also achieve 60g acceleration? What mass would you assume for the missile? Please, we need numbers, and you need to make them plausible! Sabrina directed you to a database with all missiles in the world! Use it!
So far you are only making stuff up.

If it is fired one second before hand, it could be going twice as fast the A/C. So let's just take it conservative and say 1600 ft a second. Plug a 30-40 pound weapon into the kinetic energy formula, and you are talking about a lot of damage.
Alright.
Plane was 243 m/s.
So your hypothetical missile goes 486 m/s.
40 pounds is 20 kg.
Kinetic energy of your missile is 1/2 m*v2= 0.5 * 20kg * (486m/s)2 = 2.36*106 Joules
But just before launch, it already moved at the plane's 243m/s. We'd have to subtract that from the above value to get the kinetic energy gained from using a missile as a missile:
- 0.5 * 20kg * (243m/s)2 = 0.59*106 Joules
-> Missile added 2.36*106J - 0.59*106J = 1.77*106J


Kinetic energy of plane was
= 0.5 * 115,980kg * (243m/s)2 = 3.42 * 109J

So your missile added 1.77*106 / 3.42 * 109 = 0.05% to the plane's kinetic energy.

Hahaha :D

They are anomalous flashes because try as people have, it can not be explained.
Wrong. YOU cannot explain.
 
Well I would disagree with "all over" Manhattan, but yes they were found. But you know an interesting thing is no serial numbers have publicly been announced and verified as belonging to the planes they should have. In fact there is very good evidence, that this was not done at all.

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Using 911 blogger as a source? bad news for your... credibility

Flight 11 and Flight 175 were tracked from takeoff to impact at the WTC complex. You don't do RADAR, you don't do physics; you spread false information without thinking, without checking, without a conscience.

You debunk yourself when you use the failed serial number nonsense. But feel free to source the requirement for serial numbers. Got a regulation, or guide for your serial number nonsense? No. You are gullible, you repeat, or is it plagiarize lies from 911 truth and post them.
 
Well I would disagree with "all over" Manhattan, but yes they were found. But you know an interesting thing is no serial numbers have publicly been announced and verified as belonging to the planes they should have. In fact there is very good evidence, that this was not done at all.

"Federal Defendant has determined that there are no responsive records. The identities of the airplanes hijacked in the September 11 attacks was never in question, and, therefore, there were no records generated"



http://911blogger.com/node/14406


So where did those plane parts come from? Were they planted? Why would they even bother with serial numbers if the airplanes hijacked were never in question? To satisfy idiot conspiracy theorists?
 
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Okay, is it just me, or does it seem like tmd here thinks the plane was still in one piece while it traveled through the building?

You want to talk about shrapnel being aimed at the support columns, all you have to do is look at the plane itself. Upon impact it shredded itself into literally thousands of pieces, all of which were still traveling approximately at speed thanks to the concept of inertia and the fact that a building that is 95% air doesn't offer a whole heck of a lot of resistance. The thousands of pieces continued through the building, striking support columns until eventually exiting the other side in a much reduced mass, as is shown by the videos of the events.

There was no missile. The shreds of the plane provided plenty of dispersal of shrapnel to hit the necessary support columns and cause catastrophic failure of enough of them to cause the collapse. The flash occurred just after impact and was most likely the port side oxygen tank, since the contents were under pressure and were therefore susceptible to exploding under the right conditions. The whole plane didn't NEED to penetrate the building to cause enough damage, hence plane parts being found all over lower Manhattan. Enough of it did to cause the building to later collapse. I'll say it again: THERE. WAS. NO. MISSILE. The entire notion is utterly ludicrous.
 
The entire notion is utterly ludicrous.

That's the beauty of the conspiracy forums; most truthers here have perfected the fine art of arguing in favor of a point that is utterly ludicrous forever.
 
I am only talking about concept,

The concept of someone shooting a missile or other projectile into a building less than 1/10th of a second before a 767 hits it at 500 +/- MPH is patently stupid.

It is SO stupid, that it may very well be the reason the word stupid was created in the first place.
 
The concept of someone shooting a missile or other projectile into a building less than 1/10th of a second before a 767 hits it at 500 +/- MPH is patently stupid.

It is SO stupid, that it may very well be the reason the word stupid was created in the first place.

Continuing to engage an obvious troll may be more stupid. Let the thread die.
 

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