Merged General Holocaust denial discussion thread

[Kevin.Silbstedt]

You don't get it. In order to make gas chamber ritual/myth more diabolical the LIAR said a doctor was necessary to kill Jewish people.
In order to prove how important the tooth pulling from millions dead people was the LIAR said dentists were necessary.

And your poof, that he meant actual dentists is exactly where?

But hey, lets read the actual passage about these "dentist" in One Year in Treblinka:

The first sight that met my eyes upon my return was that of the corpses of newly gassed victims on whom "dentists" had worked, extracting their false teeth with pliers. Just one look at this ghastly procedure was enough to make me even more disgusted with life than I had been before. The "dentists" sorted the teeth they extracted according to their value. Of course, whatever teeth the Ukrainians managed to lay their hands on remained in their possession.

Can you see the quotation marks? Can you read the bolded sentence? Or is your cognitive apparatus already blacking out all these inconvenient facts?

So again, your "argument", which btw. was just another "I can't imagine" argument from incredulity BS, is as useless as the Ipad. You are as boring and predictable as your Hitler hugging buddies here.

 

[Mondial]

Unproven rumor and propaganda hype.


When it mattered, for posterity, mum was the word.


Ike, mum was the word.
de Gaulle, mum was the word.
Churchill, mum was the word.

You are correct. www.rense.com/general74/short2.htm

 

[Mondial]

On the one hand the holocaust propaganda says that after world war 2 there was hardly a Jew left alive in Europe due to a genocide and yet Jewish demographer Sergio Dellapergola issued a report in 2003 stating that there were 1 092 000 holocaust survivors in the world. www.icheic.org/pdf/ICHEIC_demography1.pdf You can't have it both ways. 1 092 000 survivors 58 years after the end of the war! How many survivors were there in 1945? 3 million? 4 million? 5 million? I repeat you can't have it both ways. The claim that the nazis tried to kill every single Jew they could get their hands on is blatantly false. www.holocaustdenialvideos.com www.codoh.com

 

[Wroclaw]

No, he's not.

For one thing, I'd have you consult Churchill's Triumph and Tragedy, specifically page 598. On that page, Churchill reproduces a letter from himself to the foreign secretary concerning the situation of Jews in Greece in the Summer of 1944.

Churchill writes:

This requires careful handling. It is quite possible that rich Jews will pay large sums of money to escape being murdered by the Huns. It is tiresome that this money should get into the hands of E.L.A.S. but why on earth we should go and argue with the United States about it I cannot conceive. Who is Hamilton and who is Loxley? We should take a great responsibility if we prevented the escape of Jews, even if they should be rich Jews. I know it is the modern view that all rich people should be put to death wherever found, but it is a pity that we should take up that attitude at the present time. After all they have no doubt paid for their liberation so high that in future they will only be poor Jews, and therefore have the ordinary rights of human beings

 

[Wroclaw]

On the one hand the holocaust propaganda says that after world war 2 there was hardly a Jew left alive in Europe due to a genocide and yet Jewish demographer Sergio Dellapergola issued a report in 2003 stating that there were 1 092 000 holocaust survivors in the world. www.icheic.org/pdf/ICHEIC_demography1.pdf You can't have it both ways. 1 092 000 survivors 58 years after the end of the war! How many survivors were there in 1945? 3 million? 4 million? 5 million? I repeat you can't have it both ways. The claim that the nazis tried to kill every single Jew they could get their hands on is blatantly false.

Does that help?

http://onethirdoftheholocaust.blogspot.com/

 

[Clayton Moore]

No, he's not.

For one thing, I'd have you consult Churchill's Triumph and Tragedy, specifically page 598. On that page, Churchill reproduces a letter from himself to the foreign secretary concerning the situation of Jews in Greece in the Summer of 1944.

Churchill writes:

I've ripped out that page of double talk and flushed it. Now what?

 

[Dogzilla]

By not mentioning the gas chambers in their post war writings didn't Ike, de Gaulle, and Churchill deny the Holocaust myth?

In the appendix of final volume of Churchill's six volume set about the war there a note from Prime Minister to Foreign Secretary dated 11 July 44 that mentions the use of "scientific machinery" in conjunction with the persecution and expulsion of Hungarian Jews. He must've been talking about gas chambers but was hedging his bet because it hadn't been decided at that point if it was gas chambers, steam chambers, an electric floor, or something else entirely.

I don't make much of the fact that these people don't mention gas chambers specifically. It's a part of the Confluence of Absences whereby something one would expect to see if there had been gas chambers does not exist. But it's only a part. Alone it doesn't mean much at all.

 

[Wroclaw]

I've ripped out that page of double talk and flushed it. Now what?

That's helpful. Somebody proves you wrong and you blindly ignore them. Good.

 

[Wroclaw]

it hadn't been decided at that point if it was gas chambers, steam chambers, an electric floor, or something else entirely

Yes, it would be so unlike an historical event to become more clear as time went on...

 

[Dogzilla]

And why was that Dogzilla - Was it a lack of evidence....or maybe it is hard to put a corpse on trial.

Nobody was put on trial for whole holocaust because there wasn't one person who rounded up Dutch Jews, cleared the Warsaw ghetto, shot Jews on the eastern front, drove them into gas chambers at Auschwitz, Sobibor, or Belzec, beat them in Madjanek, experimented on them at Dachau, appointed them "scheissmeister" and forced them to dress like Rabbi Flavor Flav at Treblinka, etc., etc., etc. Nobody did it all and people were only charged with what they did.

 

[Dogzilla]

I disagree that a blanket denial couldn't have been made. The Nazis knew they were going to hang — particularly someone like Göring. He could have issued a blanket denial and nothing would have been any different. But he didn't.

He could have made a blanket denial but what would be the point? He can't know everything that happened everywhere in Europe throughout the entire war. He can't say nothing happened because he can't know that nothing happened. He can only know that he wasn't aware of it. Is this concept too complex for you to understand?

 

[Dogzilla]

This is why talking to you is just a waste of time. Again you are just using just the appeal to ridicule fallacy, you are incapable of being rational.

The photos show exactly, what the eyewitnesses were talking about. Especially Wiernik with his discription and modelling of the old gas chambers was really close to what we can see in the picture:

[qimg]http://www.deathcamps.org/gas_chambers/pic/bigtrebcad22.jpg[/qimg]
(This picture is provided by the ARC, which has it in the highest resolution I know.)

1. There is a vent on the roof, which could be one of the three exhaust vents, all the witnesses descripted.
2. There seems to be a ramp in front of the gas chambers (which sadly are not visible).
3. The style of the roof is exactly what Wiernik modelled.
4. It is visible, that the front is made out of wood, but the side isn't, again, exactly like it was modelled by Wiernik.
5. There is no door on this side of the front to the motor room and Wiernik is the only witness who seems to made this right. (The Treblinka Trial map and The Jurowski map are wrong here)
6. There are two people caring a stretcher. What a coincidence, that they do is exactly in front of this building.
7. Oh and there is a huge excavater. Again, what a coincidence.

All these points match miraculously the eyewitness testimony, especially the one of Wiernik. It is pretty rare, that eyewitnesses are right about so many details and this is why Wiernik is a credible witness no matter how much BS you spew here. But look who I am talking to. You haven't even one witness for your story of the magic transit camp Treblinka, in fact you have nothing but your denial based on hatred.

You're kidding me, right? An excavator? At a rock quarry? Men carrying a stretcher?

This is the kind of "evidence" that helped push me over the edge into revisionism.

 

[Wroclaw]

He could have made a blanket denial but what would be the point? He can't know everything that happened everywhere in Europe throughout the entire war. He can't say nothing happened because he can't know that nothing happened. He can only know that he wasn't aware of it. Is this concept too complex for you to understand?

Wow. Project much?

The guy was the number two in the Reich for a significant chunk of his career in government. It's extremely unlikely that something on the scale of the Holocaust could be going on and he wouldn't know.

Which is not to say that he was telling the truth at Nuremberg. Rather, he was lying to take responsibility off himself, but in the face of the evidence that the Jews had been exterminated, he couldn't possibly deny that it had happened at all. So he didn't.

Is that too complex for you to understand?

 

[Kevin.Silbstedt]

You're kidding me, right? An excavator? At a rock quarry? Men carrying a stretcher?

This is the kind of "evidence" that helped push me over the edge into revisionism.

Another denier, who doesn't get it, so I make the important sentence bold:

1. There is a vent on the roof, which could be one of the three exhaust vents, all the witnesses descripted.
2. There seems to be a ramp in front of the gas chambers (which sadly are not visible).
3. The style of the roof is exactly what Wiernik modelled.
4. It is visible, that the front is made out of wood, but the side isn't, again, exactly like it was modelled by Wiernik.
5. There is no door on this side of the front to the motor room and Wiernik is the only witness who seems to made this right. (The Treblinka Trial map and The Jurowski map are wrong here)
6. There are two people caring a stretcher. What a coincidence, that they do is exactly in front of this building.
7. Oh and there is a huge excavater. Again, what a coincidence.

All these points match miraculously the eyewitness testimony, especially the one of Wiernik. It is pretty rare, that eyewitnesses are right about so many details and this is why Wiernik is a credible witness no matter how much BS you spew here. But look who I am talking to. You haven't even one witness for your story of the magic transit camp Treblinka, in fact you have nothing but your denial based on hatred.

Get it? Even through these things are not proving, that the mass murdering happend there, they are all in the testimonies of the eyewitnesses. It shows, that the eyewitnesses, especially Wiernik, are credible witnesses even when it comes to the details, which is pretty rare. And yes, these eyewitnesses on the other hand prove the happening of the mass murdering at Treblinka. But you don't get it and you never will.

And this kind of evidence didn't push you into holocaust denial, that was nuttery or anti-semitism or fascism or all together on your part. But please explain to us, what the hell happend in this building, why these massive excavaters dig holes in the ground there everywhere AND present evidence for this explanation.

 

[Travis]

On the one hand the holocaust propaganda says that after world war 2 there was hardly a Jew left alive in Europe due to a genocide and yet Jewish demographer Sergio Dellapergola issued a report in 2003 stating that there were 1 092 000 holocaust survivors in the world. www.icheic.org/pdf/ICHEIC_demography1.pdf You can't have it both ways. 1 092 000 survivors 58 years after the end of the war! How many survivors were there in 1945? 3 million? 4 million? 5 million? I repeat you can't have it both ways. The claim that the nazis tried to kill every single Jew they could get their hands on is blatantly false. www.holocaustdenialvideos.com www.codoh.com

Lots of children managed to survive by being kept hidden. Were you not aware of this?

 

[Loss Leader]

On the one hand the holocaust propaganda says that after world war 2 there was hardly a Jew left alive in Europe due to a genocide and yet Jewish demographer Sergio Dellapergola issued a report in 2003 stating that there were 1 092 000 holocaust survivors in the world.

I've highlighted two phrases that might help you to discover the logical mistake you're making.

 

[TSR]

You don't get it.

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No, based on your posting, that would be *you*.
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In order to make gas chamber ritual/myth more diabolical the LIAR said a doctor was necessary to kill Jewish people.

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The lie here is that it was said that a doctor was necessary. Free hint: "was used" != "was necessary".

Unless you can actually offer a citation showing that "was necessary" were the words used?

What am I saying? You could not, since you have never read the book in question, relying instead on what other chimp deniers tell you it said.

Unfortunately, they lie, too.
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In order to prove how important the tooth pulling from millions dead people was the LIAR said dentists were necessary.

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As above.
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[Sword_Of_Truth]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't doctors routinely on hand in US prisons during executions?

 

[Saggy]

Lots of children managed to survive by being kept hidden. Were you not aware of this?

Very perceptive, Travis. What do you make of these children who hid at Auschwitz .....

http://www1.yadvashem.org/yv/en/exhibitions/our_collections/auschwitz/images/photo_old.jpg

and these children who hid at Belsen ...

http://www.codoh.com/memorial/belsen2.jpg

 

[TSR]

Very perceptive, Travis. What do you make of these children who hid at Auschwitz .....

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What do you make of the children I've been using for avatars for a while. These latest were sent to Treblinka and never seen again, as were dozens of others.

What happened to Guta and Abus Strawczynski?
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