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Sword_Of_Truth said:
If you don't know what "Hansard" means, just say so and someone can explain it to you.

Otherwise, your comments come out looking stupid.
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You mean the Honorable British Hansard?


By 1922 the British Empire held sway over about 458 million people, one-quarter of the world's population at the time,[2] and covered more than 33,700,000 km2 (13,012,000 sq mi), almost a quarter of the Earth's total land area.
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MG1962 said:
Hansard is the official record of the British Parliament. It is not a place for unproven rumour or propaganda
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Clayton Moore said:
Talk about being pawned and gaspingly grasping at straws.
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Clayton, you will eventually have to read some history.
12DEC42 LORD ADDISON My Lords, in common I suppose with every other member of your Lordships' House, I received some day ago the official report from the Polish Government representative in London and read it. My Lords, I rise to ask His Majesty's Government whether they have any statement to make to the House as to the attitude of the Government and their Allies to the persecution of the Jewish race at the hands of the German authorities in the countries at present under Hitlerite control. (Hansard)

Do you want to know what they were discussing?

The attention of the Governments of Belgium, Czechoslovakia, Greece, Luxemburg, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, the United States of America, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and Yugoslavia and of the French National Committee has been drawn to numerous reports from Europe that the German authorities, not content with denying to persons of Jewish race in all the territories over which their barbarous rule 608 has been extended, the most elementary human rights, are now carrying into effect Hitler's oft-repeated intention to exterminate the Jewish people in Europe.

They were discussing Treblinka. Do you want to know why?
 
Matthew Ellard said:
Clayton, you will eventually have to read some history.
12DEC42 LORD ADDISON My Lords, in common I suppose with every other member of your Lordships' House, I received some day ago the official report from the Polish Government representative in London and read it. My Lords, I rise to ask His Majesty's Government whether they have any statement to make to the House as to the attitude of the Government and their Allies to the persecution of the Jewish race at the hands of the German authorities in the countries at present under Hitlerite control. (Hansard)

Do you want to know what they were discussing?

The attention of the Governments of Belgium, Czechoslovakia, Greece, Luxemburg, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, the United States of America, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and Yugoslavia and of the French National Committee has been drawn to numerous reports from Europe that the German authorities, not content with denying to persons of Jewish race in all the territories over which their barbarous rule 608 has been extended, the most elementary human rights, are now carrying into effect Hitler's oft-repeated intention to exterminate the Jewish people in Europe.

They were discussing Treblinka. Do you want to know why?
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Ahhh yes, Barbarous Rule 608 - what was it again?

608: No member of the Sonderkommando shall be forced to consume cold tea while piling up corpses.
 
Matthew Ellard said:
Clayton, you will eventually have to read some history.
12DEC42 LORD ADDISON My Lords, in common I suppose with every other member of your Lordships' House, I received some day ago the official report from the Polish Government representative in London and read it. My Lords, I rise to ask His Majesty's Government whether they have any statement to make to the House as to the attitude of the Government and their Allies to the persecution of the Jewish race at the hands of the German authorities in the countries at present under Hitlerite control. (Hansard)

Do you want to know what they were discussing?

The attention of the Governments of Belgium, Czechoslovakia, Greece, Luxemburg, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, the United States of America, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and Yugoslavia and of the French National Committee has been drawn to numerous reports from Europe that the German authorities, not content with denying to persons of Jewish race in all the territories over which their barbarous rule 608 has been extended, the most elementary human rights, are now carrying into effect Hitler's oft-repeated intention to exterminate the Jewish people in Europe.

They were discussing Treblinka. Do you want to know why?
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People discuss subjects with great fervor to fulfill their agenda. WMD comes to mind.
 
Saggy said:
It's better than that, the architect and director of the entire hoax was at Auschwitz, and he testified, as a DEFENSE witness. This is beyond Kafka, and has a Russian fantastical touch, a al Gogol, which is fitting enough I suppose, as the Russian Judge Iona T. Nikitchenko, judge of the famous Moscow show trials, presided.
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Please go on.
 
little grey rabbit said:
Ahhh yes, Barbarous Rule 608 - what was it again?
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It is a reference to the number of Reichstag seats and the rise of the NSDAP. The comment was aimed at people with a general knowledge of German history.

(Clayton...Germany is a country in europe.)

OK... that brings you two up to speed.....
 
Saggy said:
Oh, THOSE photos. Why didn't you say so? Your photos remind me of the Georgia backwoods story of the "good ole boy" hunter, who bragged to his friends: "Last week I treed me a 300-pound possum, and if you don't believe me, I'll show you the tree." *

* thanks to M. Weber
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This is why talking to you is just a waste of time. Again you are just using just the appeal to ridicule fallacy, you are incapable of being rational.

The photos show exactly, what the eyewitnesses were talking about. Especially Wiernik with his discription and modelling of the old gas chambers was really close to what we can see in the picture:

bigtrebcad22.jpg

(This picture is provided by the ARC, which has it in the highest resolution I know.)

1. There is a vent on the roof, which could be one of the three exhaust vents, all the witnesses descripted.
2. There seems to be a ramp in front of the gas chambers (which sadly are not visible).
3. The style of the roof is exactly what Wiernik modelled.
4. It is visible, that the front is made out of wood, but the side isn't, again, exactly like it was modelled by Wiernik.
5. There is no door on this side of the front to the motor room and Wiernik is the only witness who seems to made this right. (The Treblinka Trial map and The Jurowski map are wrong here)
6. There are two people caring a stretcher. What a coincidence, that they do is exactly in front of this building.
7. Oh and there is a huge excavater. Again, what a coincidence.

All these points match miraculously the eyewitness testimony, especially the one of Wiernik. It is pretty rare, that eyewitnesses are right about so many details and this is why Wiernik is a credible witness no matter how much BS you spew here. But look who I am talking to. You haven't even one witness for your story of the magic transit camp Treblinka, in fact you have nothing but your denial based on hatred.
 
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Kevin.Silbstedt said:
This is why talking to you is just a waste of time. Again you are just using just the appeal to ridicule fallacy, you are incapable of being rational.

The photos show exactly, what the eyewitnesses were talking about. Especially Wiernik with his discription and modelling of the old gas chambers was really close to what we can see in the picture:

[qimg]http://www.deathcamps.org/gas_chambers/pic/bigtrebcad22.jpg[/qimg]
(This picture is provided by the ARC, which has it in the highest resolution I know.)

1. There is a vent on the roof, which could be one of the three exhaust vents, all the witnesses descripted.
2. There seems to be a ramp in front of the gas chambers (which sadly are not visible).
3. The style of the roof is exactly what Wiernik modelled.
4. It is visible, that the front is made out of wood, but the side isn't, again, exactly like it was modelled by Wiernik.
5. There is no door on this side of the front to the motor room and Wiernik is the only witness who seems to made this right. (The Treblinka Trial map and The Jurowski map are wrong here)
6. There are two people caring a stretcher. What a coincidence, that they do is exactly in front of this building.
7. Oh and there is a huge excavater. Again, what a coincidence.

All these points match miraculously the eyewitness testimony, especially the one of Wiernik. It is pretty rare, that eyewitnesses are right about so many details and this is why Wiernik is a credible witness no matter how much BS you spew here. But look who I am talking to. You haven't even one witness for your story of the magic transit camp Treblinka, in fact you have nothing but your denial based on hatred.
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And since we seem to be allowed to embed images from deathcamps.org, allow me to embed Wiernik's map of Treblinka from 1946 which completely demolishes your dishonest claim. The small gas chamber is supposedly numbers 25 and 26
http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/pic/bmap22.jpg

[Actually, its a bit big, so I will just make it clickable]

You don't have to be dishonest to barrack for the Hoax, but it sure helps.
 
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little grey rabbit said:
And since we seem to be allowed to embed images from deathcamps.org, allow me to embed Wiernik's map of Treblinka from 1946 which completely demolishes your dishonest claim. The small gas chamber is supposedly numbers 25 and 26
http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/pic/bmap22.jpg

[Actually, its a bit big, so I will just make it clickable]

You don't have to be dishonest to barrack for the Hoax, but it sure helps.
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Oh of course, I'm the one who is dishonest. 25 are the three gas chambers and 26 are the here two motor rooms,which is something, that is still unclear to me, but all the witnesses tell us the same position of the motor room(s) and the gas chambers. It's possible, that only one motor lead its exhaust into the chambers and the other one (that was used to generate elecricity for the camp) out of the building through the pipes visible in the photo.

I don't know where you got the idea, that 26 is also a gas chamber, but hey, maybe you are just dishonest.

little grey rabbit said:
And here is an even earlier map from Wiernik, again, not even remotely like your photo

http://www.zchor.org/treblink/TREBMAP.JPG
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Really? I already knew these two maps you presented, but I don't see your problem. It's hard to tell in this map what is a fence and what is a wall of the old gas chamber, but there is nothing that contradicts anything in the photo.
 
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Kevin.Silbstedt said:
This is why talking to you is just a waste of time. Again you are just using just the appeal to ridicule fallacy, you are incapable of being rational.

The photos show exactly, what the eyewitnesses were talking about. Especially Wiernik with his discription and modelling of the old gas chambers was really close to what we can see in the picture:

[qimg]http://www.deathcamps.org/gas_chambers/pic/bigtrebcad22.jpg[/qimg]
(This picture is provided by the ARC, which has it in the highest resolution I know.)

1. There is a vent on the roof, which could be one of the three exhaust vents, all the witnesses descripted.
2. There seems to be a ramp in front of the gas chambers (which sadly are not visible).
3. The style of the roof is exactly what Wiernik modelled.
4. It is visible, that the front is made out of wood, but the side isn't, again, exactly like it was modelled by Wiernik.
5. There is no door on this side of the front to the motor room and Wiernik is the only witness who seems to made this right. (The Treblinka Trial map and The Jurowski map are wrong here)
6. There are two people caring a stretcher. What a coincidence, that they do is exactly in front of this building.
7. Oh and there is a huge excavater. Again, what a coincidence.

All these points match miraculously the eyewitness testimony, especially the one of Wiernik. It is pretty rare, that eyewitnesses are right about so many details and this is why Wiernik is a credible witness no matter how much BS you spew here. But look who I am talking to. You haven't even one witness for your story of the magic transit camp Treblinka, in fact you have nothing but your denial based on hatred.
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LOL ! A picture of a steam shovel in a quarry, and a wooden building. That's proof of mass murder for sure ! Can anyone really be this gullible?

I guess you just forgot the picture of the children's zoo at Treblinka, you can see it here ....

http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/pic/bigz01.jpg

There was also a zoo at Buchenwald, and there the Nazis fed the Jews to the bears. Probably did the same at Treblinka. More proof !
 
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Clayton Moore said:
Please go on.
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Rudolf Hoess was the hoax mastermind, in his 'Death Dealer' he describes how he received the order to exterminate the Jews directly from Himmler and was told to "keep it just between the two of us". He then directed Eichmann to discover a method for expeditiously killing millions ! Then he went on to direct the entire affair.

He was called as a defense witness at Nuremberg and testified to all the above, via an affidavit written in English ! They had to translate it into German for the trial. None of this idiocy was challenged by the prosecution, as expected. With the Nuremberg judgment the entire hoax as testified to by Hoess became judicial fact, and could not be challenged in court.
 
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Saggy said:
LOL ! A picture of a steam shovel in a quarry, and a wooden building. That's proof of mass murder for sure ! Can anyone really be this gullible?
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Sorry, I didn't manage to read your crap, since I fell asleep after "LOL". God, you are so predictable and BORING.

And again, the pictures alone don't proof mass murder, but they prove details the witnesses talked about.

Funny, that you guys actually think you are the master race, when you are not even capable of understanding the concept of convergence of evidence.

Saggy said:
I guess you just forgot the picture of the children's zoo at Treblinka, you can see it here ....

http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/pic/bigz01.jpg
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I don't see any animals. So where is your zoo? Looks like you are not the only one, who can play the denier card.

To bad for you, the zoo wasn't build for childrens, but for the SS.
 
Clayton Moore said:
People discuss subjects with great fervor to fulfill their agenda. WMD comes to mind.
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Yes and they are paying the price. 4 public enquires in 8 years since the claims were made. How many enquiries have there been over statements regarding the holocaust? None - kind of tells you something
 
Clayton Moore said:
http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/pic/bmap22.jpg

Dentists?


Dentists were pulling teeth from dead people?
How difficult would it be to get up to speed to pull teeth from dead people?
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You know nothing about the holocaust, which is hardly surprising. The jews weren't just murdered, they were also robbed. But hey, in reality the nazis were just to respectful, when it comes to the corpses of jews, so they never would have pulled out their gold teeth. So this is obviously a hoax. :rolleyes:

And btw. pulling a gold teeth out of someone is of course much easier, if the person is already dead. To easy to figure out?

Clayton Moore said:
That's as stupid as doctors climbing a ladder(s) to "administer" the zyklon-b.
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Oh yeah, that totally proves it, the holocaust was a hoax. Climbing a ladder, wow, that must have been impossible. Thanks for clearing that out Sherlock. :rolleyes:
 
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Saggy said:
LOL ! A picture of a steam shovel in a quarry, and a wooden building. That's proof of mass murder for sure ! Can anyone really be this gullible?

I guess you just forgot the picture of the children's zoo at Treblinka, you can see it here ....

http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/pic/bigz01.jpg
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Of course, Saggs is hoping that no one remembers that the last time zie tried this claim, zie was sent packing with zir tail between zir legs over the lack of any documentation that a child ever even saw this zoo.

Is there a reason you link directly to the pic rather than the page containing it, Saggs? Is it because your own source says:

Early 1943 the camp commandant ordered to build a zoo besides the Ukrainian barracks. Here the SS men relaxed from their bloody work.

with not a word about children, and you're hoping no one notices?






Seriously, not every one is as stupid as a denier monkey, Saggs.

What do you think it says about you that you must post so dishonestly to even pretend your irrational hate has some basis in reality?
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Kevin.Silbstedt said:
You know nothing about the holocaust, which is hardly surprising. The jews weren't just murdered, they were also robbed. But hey, in reality the nazis were just to respectful, when it comes to the corpses of jews, so they never would have pulled out their gold teeth. So this is obviously a hoax. :rolleyes:

And btw. pulling a gold teeth out of someone is of course much easier, if the person is already dead. To easy to figure out?



Oh yeah, that totally proves it, the holocaust was a hoax. Climbing a ladder, wow, that must have been impossible. Thanks for clearing that out Sherlock. :rolleyes:
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You don't get it. In order to make gas chamber ritual/myth more diabolical the LIAR said a doctor was necessary to kill Jewish people.
In order to prove how important the tooth pulling from millions dead people was the LIAR said dentists were necessary.
 
A more pointless and stupid demonstration of their vacuity as given by JREF's resident Holocaust deniers in their replies and responses it would be hard to find.
 
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