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UFOs: The Research, the Evidence

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Excellent video.
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Thanks for posting, Paul. I haven't come across Neil Tyson before.
 
Discussion on the JREF Million Dollar Challenge split to here. Please keep this thread confined to general discussion of UFOs and use the split thread for anything related to EzikeltheProphet's challenge application.

Also, several other posts were sent to AAH for incivility and/or being off topic. Please remain on topic and avoid making personal attacks. EzikeltheProphet, this applies especially to you. Being new to the forum does not excuse you from following the rules.
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Pixel42 said:
Ignoring the invisible things which is obviously unprovable, people see things in the sky they can't immediately identify all the time.

How will you establish that something in the sky (a) only appeared because you summoned it and (b) is not something mundane?
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I will only address people with sense an respect.

You seem cool.
Yes it is true, people see stuff in the sky they cannot identify all the time but not when it comes to me. I have recorded the skies for years and i am ex-military . Working with the Air-force and Being stationed near Air bases helped and adds to my experience identifying ANYTHING in the sky.
You are incorrect about invisible UFO being unproven. I can sense when they are there and i can record them with the help of Infrared devices. UFO have multi-spectrum cloaking technology and there have been times when i was able to get them to display their cloaking to me.

To establish that UFO are there because i summoned them is easy.
The sky wont have any UFO visible before i summon but within seconds to a couple of minutes after my summons the sky will have objects that glow like a star but is not , flying above us. Now if the JREF wants to claim they are NOT what i say they are then they must prove it, because they will not appear before i summon. I proved my ability. Any claim to a hypothesized identity by either the tester or the JREF must be proven with data... if they say airplane- show me the wings and FAA safety lights...... if they say satellite then show me the data backing up that claim (SHOULD BE EASY SINCE ALL SAT. DATA IS ON THE WEB)
However, till this day I AM UNDEBUNKABLE . Not a soul on this planet can debunk my sightings.... just make guesses and theories.
For the 1st test i suggest the location be in NYC (anywhere in NYC) where i live and that it be a clear night that stars are visible. Anyone may attend and the location can be kept secret from me. I have FAITH in God and believe I cannot fail .


Its only mundane to the mundane.:cool:
 
EzikeltheProphet said:
Now if the JREF wants to claim they are NOT what i say they are then they must prove it, because they will not appear before i summon. I proved my ability. Any claim to a hypothesized identity by either the tester or the JREF must be proven with data... if they say airplane- show me the wings and FAA safety lights...... if they say satellite then show me the data backing up that claim (SHOULD BE EASY SINCE ALL SAT. DATA IS ON THE WEB)
However, till this day I AM UNDEBUNKABLE . Not a soul on this planet can debunk my sightings.... just make guesses and theories.
For the 1st test i suggest the location be in NYC (anywhere in NYC) where i live and that it be a clear night that stars are visible. Anyone may attend and the location can be kept secret from me.
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Hi there. Just a friendly reminder that, if you want to discuss your test, you should do so in this thread. Not here.

(On edit, I see he has found the other thread)
 
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EzikeltheProphet said:
I will only address people with sense an respect.
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Always a good idea. Otherwise you'll get infracted again.


EzikeltheProphet said:
You seem cool.
Yes it is true, people see stuff in the sky they cannot identify all the time but not when it comes to me. I have recorded the skies for years and i am ex-military . Working with the Air-force and Being stationed near Air bases helped and adds to my experience identifying ANYTHING in the sky.
You are incorrect about invisible UFO being unproven. I can sense when they are there and i can record them with the help of Infrared devices. UFO have multi-spectrum cloaking technology and there have been times when i was able to get them to display their cloaking to me.
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And your evidence for this would be . . . ?


EzikeltheProphet said:
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However, till this day I AM UNDEBUNKABLE . Not a soul on this planet can debunk my sightings.... just make guesses and theories.
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I can say exactly the same thing in regard to my numerous sightings of the Min Min light.

So what? Unfalsifiable anecdotes will get us both exactly nowhere.


EzikeltheProphet said:
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Its only mundane to the mundane.:cool:
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I see words, but detect no meaning. I wonder if it's cloaked.
 
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EzikeltheProphet said:
I have recorded the skies for years and i am ex-military . Working with the Air-force and Being stationed near Air bases helped and adds to my experience identifying ANYTHING in the sky.
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I think you're substituting identifying where you mean making stuff up.
 
Akhenaten said:
I can say exactly the same thing in regard to my numerous sightings of the Min Min light.
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Good point, no one here have debunked your sightings, and you clearly realise that that by itself is not enough for the challenge. :D
 
EzikeltheProphet said:
if they say satellite then show me the data backing up that claim (SHOULD BE EASY SINCE ALL SAT. DATA IS ON THE WEB)
However, till this day I AM UNDEBUNKABLE .
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Hmm....how come you don't put specifics in your videos? Where are the dates, times, location, and direction you recorded these lights? Since we don't have that data, the best we can do is look at the date you claimed you recorded it and suggest possibilities for the satellite. In the case of your March 19, 2010 video, the ISS made a bright pass over NYC (it was visible from Times square!!!) on that date. That makes it possible that your UFO was the ISS.

You are only undebunkable as long as you hide the specifics behind your videos.
 
This is the first time I've ever managed to make it to the end of this thread :blush:

One thing that's always bothered me about UFO anecdotes is that the witnesses almost always claim that "no terrestrial craft could ever move that way" etc. How can that be true when it's a well-known fact that there are secret military projects developing new aircraft with capabilities that aren't present in current aircraft? Isn't the point of research and design to outstrip current technology? WE DON'T KNOW what terrestrial craft are capable of, since WE DON'T KNOW the details of every terrestrial craft. Something that seemed impossible to us at one point (such as a hovering black triangle) is now easily explainable (a harrier jet).

There are also experimental planes and crafts built by hobbyists that nobody knows about. What about this thing?

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If I saw that thing hovering over my head I'd probably run screaming. However, it's just an unmanned experimental drone, suitable for mapping terrain. Since most people are unaware that this thing is cruising the skies, how can anyone say what is or isn't consistent with a terrestrial craft? Clearly it is a terrestrial craft, and if you've got $60,000 USD to burn, you can buy one of your own.
 
EzikeltheProphet said:
I will only address people with sense an respect.

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Good. Your sense and respect will be appreciated.

In the EzikeltheProphet - UFO summoner thread you made this statement:


EzikeltheProphet said:
Think about it..... you have only seen 0.001% of my evidence. now go stand in the corner with the you-know what hat on your head.
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When will you be presenting the other 99.999% of your evidence?
 
ufology said:
OK, in these recent posts, I'll stand corrected on the word "some". I wasn't lying so much as misinterpreting and being imprecise. My mistake. Thanks for correcting me.

j.r.
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Was it your perception of what I was saying or was it your memory of what I was saying that failed you?

But how could either one have happened when the words were right there in black and white, posted repeatedly? You've assured us that both your perception and your memory are infallible. How could you have made such a mistake?
 
RoboTimbo said:
Was it your perception of what I was saying or was it your memory of what I was saying that failed you?

But how could either one have happened when the words were right there in black and white, posted repeatedly? You've assured us that both your perception and your memory are infallible. How could you have made such a mistake?
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Obviously I make mistakes, and I've admitted my memory isn't perfect, but the context in which you say I claim my memory is infallible is misleading. This goes all the way back to my slip-up on the Led Zeppelen album name.

On the night we were sitting in the dark listening to the record and we saw the object, I didn't know the name of the album. I'd never heard it before then and the room was dark, so I didn't even know what the cover looked like. But I still remembered the music just fine, so my memory of the event is just fine, and that is the point I was trying to make.

It just didn't go over very well when my memory associated the music with the wrong album picture in order to put down in words here what we were listening to. Had I simply said Led Zeppelin and named a few songs, I would have been OK ... but my pop-culture trivia regarding what songs go on what album isn't so good. Having explained this now, perhaps we can move on?

j.r.
 
Apology said:
One thing that's always bothered me about UFO anecdotes is that the witnesses almost always claim that "no terrestrial craft could ever move that way" etc. How can that be true when it's a well-known fact that there are secret military projects developing new aircraft with capabilities that aren't present in current aircraft? Isn't the point of research and design to outstrip current technology? WE DON'T KNOW what terrestrial craft are capable of, since WE DON'T KNOW the details of every terrestrial craft. Something that seemed impossible to us at one point (such as a hovering black triangle) is now easily explainable (a harrier jet).
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The above is a good post and the picture of the drone in the original post is cool too. I also agree that some witnesses don't think through their line of reasoning. For example they will say that because it was silent and huge, no Earthly craft could do that. But they forget that there have been some pretty huge lighter than air vehicles created that can hover silently.

Where things do get beyond our technology is when objects do instantaneous high speed, high degree turns, or instantaneous acceleration or decelleration from and to very high speed. In my own sighting, I witnessed such a maneuver. The probablility that it was manmade is almost zero, and when you go back to the late 1940s and 50s, there is simply no way we had that kind of technology then ... so far as I know, we still don't.

j.r.
 
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