Merged Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga

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So if you do the same with Apollo 12, using starry night pro 6, go to the landing site on the night of the landing, one finds the earth should be very bright based on magnitude of -15. In the case of Apollo 12, unless you search for the earth with the function, there is no way to possibly find it. It is black there where the earth is supposed to be, but if you click on that black spot, one finds the earth at magnitude -15 which means thousands of times brighter than the stars. Try it yourself.

So you are claiming that the autors of the software are in on the Hoax?
How could anyone who worked on it not notice this 'deception'?

Maybe it's not shown at full -15 because people using the software aren't interested in seeing a big bright Earth filling the screen?

Have you chhecked any other software packages to see if they are the same?
 
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Are they part of the 'Hoax'?
How bright is Earth in other software packages? If it isn't the same why pick on this one piece of software to add to the hoax?
 
Not the best quality shot. Try this if you have the software, Look for the Earth in the lunar sky on the evening of the Apollo 11 landing. I had to use the program's search function to find the Earth. It is roughly a magnitude -15 or 16 celestial object. the Earth should be way way way brighter than the stars. What is going on? Is this an innocent oversight to not have the earths it should appear. for the most part this software is great.
Why should it? Looks like it's in shadow to me, whereas stars and shadows just don't mix!
 
Given that the Moon's phases are caused by the location of the Earth relative to the Moon, wouldn't it stand to reason that oh, I don't know, the Earth has phases when viewed from the Moon?

Mind-blowing, I know. :rolleyes:
 
Given that the Moon's phases are caused by the location of the Earth relative to the Moon, wouldn't it stand to reason that oh, I don't know, the Earth has phases when viewed from the Moon?

Mind-blowing, I know. :rolleyes:

That would not occur to Patrick.
 
Of Course Starry Night is not in on the fix

So you are claiming that the autors of the software are in on the Hoax?
How could anyone who worked on it not notice this 'deception'?

Maybe it's not shown at full -15 because people using the software aren't interested in seeing a big bright Earth filling the screen?

Of course Starry Night is not in on the fix Captain_Swop. their software is beautiful, elegant really and is meticulously crafted. AND that is exactly the point. Anywhere one travels to in the Starry Night Universe, at least in my experience, there is their great authenticity. The sky maps are accurate, the star magnitudes and the brightness of other non star celestial objects such as the Earth are always meticulously referenced.

So why the weirdness with the Apollo Mission Landing Sites? Of all the screens, these are important ones. Some professionally astronomers use this software. Why is the Earth dark when it should be roaring with brightness, thousands of times brighter than those stars we do see. AND if you have your own software and do this little drill on a full computer screen, one cannot help but think, HB or full on believer, "how did these guys botch this so bad?" Everything everywhere else in this program is astonishing, beautiful.

So for me, this kind of thing is important in the sense that once I know Apollo fraudulent for OTHER REASONS! and have convinced myself of this truth, then when I see the Starry Night anomaly I only naturally consider space hanky panky.

That Earth looks pretty dark to me. Was it intentional? Starry Night as an entity that produces outstanding astronomy software MOST CERTAINLY DID NOT ENGINEER THIS IF IT IS INTENTIONAL. That would be business suicide. But one capable mole on the inside may have pulled it off. who knows. It's wild really when one thinks about it. The brightest object in the sky by thousands of folds next to the sun and you have to find it with a search function while the stars at brightness values measured in the thousandths of a fraction compared to the Earth are easily seen. I haven't been through Apollo 14-17, but what if that is the case in all those other screens, wouldn't you find it a bit odd?
 
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So of course this does not mean fraud. One cannot say based on this weird finding, dark earth on starry night software images of moon landing lunar skies, the Apollo missions are fake. On the other hand, one you show them to be fraudulent as I have done in the thread here, then when one sees this stuff, you cannot help but wonder, "was this intentionally done".

My little low resolution images do not do this justice in any way. If you have this software you have got to see it for yourself. It is bizarre and may well mean something.

Starry Night is not in on the fix of course, but there may be a software mole there who pulled this off.

What about the other pics and the liar question? Your rocket propelled goalposts have broken the land speed record.
 
Of course Starry Night is not in on the fix Captain_Swop. their software is beautiful, elegant really and is meticulously crafted. AND that is exactly the point. Anywhere one travels to in the Starry Night Universe, at least in my experience, there is their great authenticity. The sky maps are accurate, the star magnitudes and the brightness of other non star celestial objects such as the Earth are always meticulously referenced.

So why the weirdness with the Apollo Mission Landing Sites? Of all the screens, these are important ones. Some professionally astronomers use this software. Why is the Earth dark when it should be roaring with brightness, thousands of times brighter than those stars we do see. AND if you have your own software and do this little drill on a full computer screen, one cannot help but think, HB or full on believer, "hope did these guys botch this so bad?" Everything everywhere else in this program is astonishing, beautiful.

So for me, this kind of thing is important in the sense that once I know Apollo fraudulent for OTHER REASONS! and have convinced myself of this truth, then when I see the Starry Night anomaly I only naturally consider space hanky panky.

That Earth looks pretty dark to me. Was it intentional? Starry Night as an entity that produces outstanding astronomy software MOST CERTAINLY DID NOT ENGINEER THIS IF IT IS INTENTIONAL. That would be business suicide. But one capable mole on the inside may have pulled it off. who knows. It's wild really when one thinks about it. The brightest object in the sky by thousands of folds next to the sun and you have to find it with a search function while the stars at brightness values measured in the thousandths of a fraction compared to the Earth are easily seen. I haven't been through Apollo 14-17, but what if that is the case in all those other screens, wouldn't you find it a bit odd?

Bollocks.
 
That Earth looks pretty dark to me. Was it intentional? Starry Night as an entity that produces outstanding astronomy software MOST CERTAINLY DID NOT ENGINEER THIS IF IT IS INTENTIONAL.

Guess what's sitting there, in nice clear text, on the main page of their web site?

"Ask a question"


We're getting to some mind-blowing stuff here!
 
Magnitude -16

That would not occur to Patrick.

Do the math, the Earth should be at least tens of thousands of times as bright as the stars in these screens. Its apparent magnitude on the days/nights of the landings is -15 or -16, very very very very bright compared to the stars. At least tens of thousands of times as bright. when I have the chance, I'll do the math for you and compare the brightest star in the sky with the Earth AT THIS VERY MOMENT IN TIME. you will be impressed. The number will be monstrous.
 
Do the math, the Earth should be at least tens of thousands of times as bright as the stars in these screens. Its apparent magnitude on the days/nights of the landings is -15 or -16, very very very very bright compared to the stars. At least tens of thousands of times as bright. when I have the chance, I'll do the math for you and compare the brightest star in the sky with the Earth AT THIS VERY MOMENT IN TIME. you will be impressed. The number will be monstrous.

Phases? The only monstrous thing is your inability to understand science. What about the liar question,you are avoiding that one like the plague.
 
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Do the math, the Earth should be at least tens of thousands of times as bright as the stars in these screens. Its apparent magnitude on the days/nights of the landings is -15 or -16, very very very very bright compared to the stars. At least tens of thousands of times as bright. when I have the chance, I'll do the math for you and compare the brightest star in the sky with the Earth AT THIS VERY MOMENT IN TIME. you will be impressed. The number will be monstrous.

Do the math, the Moon should be at least tens of thousands of times as bright as the stars in these screens. Its apparent magnitude on the days/nights of the landings is -15 or -16, very very very very bright compared to the stars. At least tens of thousands of times as bright. when I have the chance, I'll do the math for you and compare the brightest star in the sky with the Moon ON SUNDAY, 28 AUGUST. you will be impressed. The number will be monstrous.

Therefore, no Earth landings have ever happened.

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Do the math, the Moon should be at least tens of thousands of times as bright as the stars in these screens. Its apparent magnitude on the days/nights of the landings is -15 or -16, very very very very bright compared to the stars. At least tens of thousands of times as bright. when I have the chance, I'll do the math for you and compare the brightest star in the sky with the Moon ON SUNDAY, 28 AUGUST. you will be impressed. The number will be monstrous.

Therefore, the Moon is fake, and no Earth landings have ever happened.

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Very good,Patrick squashed yet again,goalposts on the move.He must think that we have very short memories.
 
As has already been pointed out 'Earth Phases' Just like we see the Moon in different Phases.

How did this 'software mole' pull off the sabotage without any of the development team, Bata Testars or the thousands of users of the software even noticing anything wrong?
 
The Mystery of Starry Night's Dark Earth

Guess what's sitting there, in nice clear text, on the main page of their web site?

"Ask a question"


We're getting to some mind-blowing stuff here!

So Starry Night says of their pro 6 software;

"Starry Night Pro is a powerful program designed for those with a serious interest in astronomy. Increase your in-the-field observing success with features such as the Events Finder to choose targets, or customized Observing Lists for a specific night or object of interest. Print out three-view star hopping charts customized to your equipment to effortlessly guide you to challenging objects. With extensive data sets, advanced telescope control, and comprehensive observational tools you'll soon transform your computer into a sophisticated virtual observatory."

Certainly, the software is not perfect. I am not a professional astronomer, though some who are use this as a tool and like it. I use it to study the night sky.

What is important are Starry Night's numbers. At the time of Armstrong's exit from the LM, the apparent magnitude of Sirius , the brightest star in the sky was -1.47, so to your favor I will call that -2.0 to make the calculation easier. I will make Sirius more bright, to your advantage. The Earth is apparent magnitude -16.28 and I will again adjust to your advantage to make my calculation easier.

Now, I challenge you to find a data base, academic or commercial that is at variance from these numbers by any meaningful degree. Look at the numbers used by academics on THAT VERY DAY and you will find Sirius to be about -1.47 and the earth from the moon -16.28. Starry night may not be perfect, but these numbers here are quite accurate, produce others if you can. I would welcome your challenge in this regard.

-2.0 to -16.0 is a difference of 2.51 x 2.51 x 2.51 x 2.51 x 2.51 x 2.51 x 2.51 x 2.51 x 2.51 x 2.51 x 2.51 x 2.51 x 2.51 x 2.51 x 2.51 (2.51 x itself 14 times). That gives 984,854. I did the math to your favor. The Earth was roughly one million times as bright as Sirius that evening and Starry Night software, though listing the magnitudes accurately, does not seem to do their usually good job of conveying this difference in some qualitative sense by showing the earth to be fairly bright.

As a matter of fact, you cannot see it and one would think it was not even in the lunar sky that night judging by the software's visual.

Do I think this is proof of a hoax, absolutely not. But knowing Apollo fraudulent, when i see this stuff it makes me wonder. And I love Starry night software and will continue to use it. It's a great tool as long as one has others.
 
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